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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Juneau County- Just got home. 45" Chippewa River size limit passed. Musky Stamp lost by 1 vote (to many fee's mentality). 10 year old hunting - lost by large majority. The Feral cat issue passed by a strong majority.
Al
Edited by ESOX Maniac 4/12/2005 7:47 AM
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Location: Hayward WI | I left early (9:30??) after the results for voting on the Delegates here in Madison. The Anti's and cat lovers were out in FULL force. The decision was made to have Question 62, listing feral cats as a non-protectged species, the first item, so we got to listen to almost 2 hours of public speak on "Don't shoot fluffy". Both pro hunting and fishing incumbents (Joe Caputo & Jayne Meyer) won re-election. As far as the votes you'll have to wait a day or so, one warden I talked to estimated 1,200 people in attendance.
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Location: Wales Wi. | The Expo Center in Waukesha was packed. After 2 painfull hours of Fluffy stories most had their ballots done before any other discussions. All our ballots are sent to Madison and will not know results for days. Howie |
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Location: Rhinelander, WI | Was at the Oneida county meeting last night. We got another musky fisherman on the CC board, we now have Roger Sabota and Lee Bastion (2004 Hodag Musky Champ and Vice President of the Rhinelander Musky League) representing us.
The cat thing passed. 143 yes to 32 no
The Stamp got beat soundly, 40 +/- to 5
One Line Motor trolling passed 28 to 22.
There was a resolution brought to increase the minimum size limit to 40” from 34” on the Wisconsin River from the Pride Dam in Lincoln county to the Hat Rapids Dam in Oneida county. This includes Lake Mohawkskin and Lake Alice. It failed 21 yes to 54 no.
Nail A Pig!
Mike
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | Was there any vote or proposal on trolling the northern reaches of Wisconsin? |
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| I need a refresher:
If the one line trolling resolution passed then what happens next. Was it just for Onieda county or statewide. |
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| Trolling question passed in Sawyer Co. |
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Location: Hayward WI | Chad,
The question is copied again below, it was a statewide vote and the next step is... "As part of the evening’s agenda, the Wisconsin Conservation Congress will present resolutions created by Congress committees for votes. Results of the votes are presented to the DNR in the form of advisories indicating the support that a resolution may or may not have among the people attending the meeting. Frequently, but not always, a successful resolution may appear as a proposed rule presented in the DNR portion of the meeting a year or two later."
Question 74 - One Line Motor Trolling
The current positioning regulation has many flaws and should be replaced. The State of Wisconsin allows motor trolling in designated areas to increase fishing interest and tourism, It is recommended that one line per person, without the aid of down riggers or planer boards, be instituted, plus one additional line for casting in those waters not currently covered. This will insure better uniformity and law enforcement throughout the state of Wisconsin.
74. Do you favor motor trolling with one line as described in the above description?
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| Thank you Erico |
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Location: Rhinelander, WI | The way I understand it, from what was said at the Oneida meeting is that the one line trolling question was asked to be put on the ballot by the DNR wardens who would like to see the law clarified.
Nail A Pig!
Mike
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| Does that give the resolution more weight if it comes from inside the organization? |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Ercio, got it right. The debate on killing fluffy went on way too long.
I was surprised that Jane Meyer (ex-sec DNR George Meyer's wife) and Joe Caputo got reelected. The way things looked with the old ladies and college crowd (all heavy amimal rights folks), I'd thought we get another Pat Randolph on the board. Luckly that didn't happen. Randolph was there despite being a resident of Columbia County. Maybe she feels safer here?
Here in Madison they won't know vote out comes until they release them maybe today. We have scan ballots (that's great). I also heard that they are taking the ballots from Waukeska County to Madison and counting them here and those numbers won't be known ealiest later today to a few days from now. I don't know if they'll post it on one of these sites like channel3000.com or madison.com. If I catch wind of either site posting the numbers I will put the link up.
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | This question got shot down in Juneau County- Why? Because the way the question is worded, people feared it would eliminate the use of planner boards and downriggers and also limit trolling to one line, i.e., on Lake Michigan and other waters where trolling is currently permitted......
If the question was to allow Muskie fishing with a casting line + one additional line with a sucker, i.e., using the trolling motor to reposition the boat on non-trolling Class A muskie waters- it was victum of unclear definition. The way it reads it appeared to limit what is already permitted on all legal trolling water .
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Here's what I found on the 3000 site. No other numbers posted.
"Statewide results are being tallied today. In Dane County, 388 votes favored the plan, and 881 opposed hunting feral cats. The DNR is expected to announce results from all counties by the end of the day."
Gerard
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Location: WI | A friend sent me this in light of the cat hunt.
http://www.richsalter.btinternet.co.uk/cks2/index.html |
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| I spent about 20 mins reading the views of those "responsible cat owners" in the talkback section at channel3000.com There are some seriously warped individuals out there. They honestly truly believe that every one of their neighbors is going to be waiting for "Fluffy" to stick his head out the back door and BLAMMO right there on the porch!
Have any of these "responsible cat owners" ever spent minute one in the woods? Do they have any idea how perfect a killing machine a cat is?? It all boils down to responsibility. I can't count the number of "responsible cat owners" who posted just how responsible they are. In the very next sentence they say that they don't want to put a collar on when they let the cat out or that it just might be their cat that's out and not a feral cat. If they were half as responsible as they claim to be, those cats wouldn't be "let" outside.
My parents have had cats for the better part of 30 years. I don't think that in 30 years any of their cats "got out accidentally" and stayed out. Yes, they may have run out the door and 30 seconds later they get shooed back in. In addition, their cats were spayed/neutered, declawed, had rabies shots and were licensed as well.
My dogs are required to have shots, rabies shots, be licensed and leashed and if I chose to spend the money to have my dogs spayed/neutered, I save a whopping 5 dollars on the yearly license. If my licensed dog with all his shots and wearing his collar gets out of the yard while doing his business I am out looking for him until I find him. How many of those "responsible cat owners" can say that?? And when the Humane Society gets called and finds my licensed dog with all his shots and wearing his collar, I pay a fine for dog running at large. How many "responsible cat owners" can say that??? Maybe the reason all these "responsible cat owners" don't want to collar their cats is to make it near impossible for the Humane Society to track them down and fine them like happens with licensed, collared dogs.
I still didn't see the results posted. I'm sure the question will pass in most rural areas and fail in the urban areas as usual.
The Sauk County Hearings didn't have any results at the end. They are computer scored - in Madison I'd guess.
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Shane- Shame on you for antagonizing the opposing view. I think you will find that BB is not enough, feral cats are tough animals.
If it's voted down this year, it's only because the Audubon members didn't come out to protect the Wisconsin native bird population.
http://www.audubon.org/
Don't get me wrong- If your cats are on your property, they should be protected. However, if you allow them to run loose on either state or the private property of other's, they are then not under your control and should be classified as feral. BTW: We have three cats and none of them are allowed to run. One is a in-house cat- the other two are outside in their own enclosed kat kondo's. Yes- for all you PETA folks, the outside ones do have running water and also heat in the winter, as do our three dog's.
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| Guys, the ONLY statewide musky related rule change question was the Chippewa River increased size limit question. That vote is the final say on whether that rule gets changed and included in next years fishing regulations.
The one line motor trolling question and the musky stamp question were simply Conservation Congress Advisory questions. The final vote on those is almost meaningless. If they did get a favorable vote, they may or may not ever appear on a future years ballot. They have to go through the NRB, who approves ALL rule change questions at their sole discretion regardless of any past advisory vote.
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| Statewide results on the musky related questions:
Increase size limit on stretch of Chippewa River to 45" - Yes 2,404 / No 1,257 ....... Rule change question. Passed and will become law next year.
Musky Stamp - Yes 3,074 / No 4,131 ....... Advisory question only. Defeated and is dead.
One line motor trolling - Yes 3,679 / No 2,660 ....... Advisory question only. Passed and may or may not be taken up by the NRB and included on a future ballot as a rule change question at their (NRB's) complete discretion. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Here are the results as listed on the DNR website.
http://dnr.wi.gov/org/nrboard/congress/sh/results/index.htm |
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WI CC Spring Hearing Results?