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Location: KY | Which would you choose?
The ABU has 5.3:1 gear ratio for 23” of line per turn
The Pflueger has 5.2:1 gear ratio for ?” of line per turn
The Pflueger has four berings, The ABU has three
The Pflueger has is 12.1oz, The ABU is 10.5oz
How about casting, drag performance, and dependability?
What are your thaughts?
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Location: Washington, PA | I bought a pflueger this year. I've had countless c3's. The pflueger is MUCH smoother, and all and all a great reel. As far as dependability, that still remains to be seen. |
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Location: Huber Heights, Ohio | ABU 6500 TCM
4 BB
Power Handle
Muskie etched on the sideplate
http://www.jacksonlures.com/Commerce2/NewAbu.htm
Edited by David_4 3/30/2005 11:48 AM
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| I've used both and can say that the Pflueger is a much nicer reel. They hold up great also. The only problem you will have is the thumb bar will go out after a while. The ones that I have used have lasted at least one full year of guiding, so if you are not guiding it should last several years with the same smoothness that you start out with.
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Location: KY | I forgot to include the Pflueger has a thumb bar vs the button on a C3 |
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| I forgot, call Thorne Brothers and buy a different handle for the Pfluegers. If you get a calcutta reel handle it will feel darn near as good as a Calcutta. The handle that comes with the Pflueger is an accident waiting to happen when a fish hits(fingers slipping).
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Location: Washington, PA | I will definately second what ty said about the handles, I'll have to do that myself. |
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Location: St. Louis, MO., Marco Is., FL, Nestor Falls, ON | I have 6 of the Trion 66's, fish 200 days per year in fresh and saltwater. I have never had a failure. I clean and lubricate regularly with Hot Sauce Oil and Grease. Very good reel for the money. It is not a Calcutta, but close. Some of these reels I have are now 4-5 years old. The early ones were not with the Pflueger label. |
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Location: Sheboygan Falls, WI | If you want to compare it to an Abu with a thumb bar, then compare it to the 6600SSC3. It is a 6500C3 except it is red and has a thumb bar. I have Abu's from the late 1970's up to the present. All work flawlessly. The only thing that people have to do on the newer ones with the thumb rest on top is to take a tooth brush and clean out the bar that the line guide runs in every once in a while. Guess what? No more troubles with worm gears or pawls going out.
As far as the inner workings of the reels Abu has others beat, in my honest opinion, when looking at that $70-$80 price range. The Morrums are in a class by themselves when compared to the standard 6500's.
I know guides that will be switching all over to Abu's', particularly the SSC3's because of the thumb bar. They have used the reels themselves to make sure that they hold up and they are extemely happy with the performance and durability.
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| As loyal ABU customer I take the C3 every day. I made about ten casts with a Trion once, nice reel. The thumb bar was too far from the spool for my rinky dink hands.
Chuck, thanks for the info on the levelwind maintance. Have they done anything about the anti-reverse issue that seemed to be plague like? |
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Location: Sheboygan Falls, WI | Have not heard any issues with the instant anti-reverse. There was about a year or two time frame when a single foot anti-reverse dawg was used, BIG mistake. This was pre instant ani-reverse though. Since going with the instants, you hear of one here and one there that may go. I know of some very high profile musky fishermen that use other high end reels (NOT Abu's) and have had instant anti reverse bearing go out. Many times it is that there is just too much grease in the bearings. If it does go, send it back to the company and they will take care of you. Just think of how many thousands of 6500C3's are out there with relatively few problems. I will venture to guess that there are more standard Ambassadeur's out there than Shimano's and St Croix's combined. Heck, throw Tica and Pfleuger in there as well.
Not a problem on the basic maintenance suggestion either. Saves on people getting headaches and doing a lot of cussing. Best thing to do is go replace your toothbrush in the bathroom, get some reel oil and put your old toothbrush and the bottle of oil in a zip lock bag and keep it with you. If your reel is whining or squeeling when you cast, the oil will take care of the problem. Dipping the reel into the lake is a "bandaid", the oil is the fix.
Chuck
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| I have had serious problems with the Trions, and will never buy another one. I went through 3 in as many weeks and after seeing the guts on the inside, never again. Abu and Diawa all the way!
P.s- talked to a reelrepair guy(well known) while getting some pawls and he said his shop will not even accept any, that they are a throw-away!
Edited by The Handyman 3/31/2005 2:02 PM
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Location: Sheboygan Falls, WI | Handyman,
If the pawls are for an Abu, better replace the worm gear right away. If you take the worm gear out and look at it close, you will probably notice that the one of the two teeth on either end are probably beveled or taken off. This is cause from the line guide stopping on the top from weeds and garbage and the bottom having to finish going across. Like I stated in my first post, a toothbrush will take care of that problem. Once you have it fixed, you should probably never have to replace another pawl if you use the tooth brush. Also, use light oil on the worm gear and NOT grease for lubrication.
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| Thanx Mr. Nelson, will do! |
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Location: Huber Heights, Ohio | I never have understood why people replace only the pawl when the worm gear is also worn. No wonder they complain about their reels. |
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| I am of the opinion that Hank Parker Specials, 5600's with thumbar and C3 gearing are the way to go. 2 for $120. Can anybody really beat it on a dollar for dollar basis? |
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Location: Sheboygan Falls, WI | Abu 5600SSC3's would be about the same as well. 5.3:1, 3 ball bearing, instant anti reverse. A 5500C3 except red with a thumb bar. |
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| Just because the pawl is bad, does not mean you have to replace the worm. That is a quote right from the Sportsmans Repair shop! |
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Location: Sheboygan Falls, WI | That is probably why there are so many reels that have to be re-done out there. 9 out of 10 times the worm gear is bad as well. Better be safe than sorry. If there is a person that has line building up on one side of the spool, show it to me and I will pretty much guarantee that I will show you a bad worm gear. If the person looking at the reel knows exactly what they are looking for, they WILL be able to show you the problem. If they know what they are talking about they WILL also be able to tell you what to do to avoid the problem in the future. I have already said how to avoid the problem, now it is up to the fishermen to actually do it.
I KNOW what I AM talking about. Those that know who I am and what I do KNOW that as well.
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| Would the moderator care to respond as to why he has deleted 2 of my posts on this thread? Niether was derogitory or contained any fould language. They only had an explanation as to why some shops might only change the pawl and not the worm gear. |
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