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Location: Rhinelander, WI | This was brought up in the stamp post thought some may be interested in it.
How will you vote on advisory question #74?
Nail A Pig!
Mike
Question 74 - One Line Motor Trolling
The current positioning regulation has many flaws and should be replaced. The State of Wisconsin allows motor trolling in designated areas to increase fishing interest and tourism, It is recommended that one line per person, without the aid of down riggers or planer boards, be instituted, plus one additional line for casting in those waters not currently covered. This will insure better uniformity and law enforcement throughout the state of Wisconsin.
#74. Do you favor motor trolling with one line as described in the above description?
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | Sure would cut out the ambiguity. If this became a reg, what would Shep and I argue about???
Edited by Gander Mt Guide 3/16/2005 3:19 PM
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Location: Sheboygan Falls, WI | Hey Mike,
I have said this for a few years now. ALL inland waters allow only a single line for "trolling". No downriggers or boards is exactly what I had stated. I also said that if a person is pulling a lure or live bait, they may cast with a second as long as it was continually retrieved. This would apply to musky or walleye guys. I have been told that it would never fly because of walleye tournaments, but what do they do in Minnesota? I would vote for it. Great Lakes keep at the 3 lines like they have been, or cut it back to 2 lines like it use to be. If it would be set back to 2 lines and you cross the Michigan border in the middle of the lake and have a Michigan license (which I have done several times) you would be legal.
I would love to see it like this. It would make fishing with suckers in the fall not in the grey or black area, it would be a totally straight forward rule. Two guys in a boat could still pull their 2 suckers and cast. This would be totally legal.
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| One line trolling everywhere in the state and welcome to this century!  |
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Location: oswego, il | I am all for it I hope it passes, I cross my fingers. |
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| One line for trolling??? No way!! I want all three lines for trolling! Make the ice fisherman use one line then!
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| This questions really upsets me. Why would we give any advantages for someone using live bait?
Fishing with live bait is as unsporting as trolling in some peoples eyes. But yet someone can drag a sucker and cast? Yet the guy who is trolling with artificials gets only one line?
Who thinks of this crap?? Wisconsin already has enough screwed up rules why mess with the 3 lines?
Dont get me wrong I would love to see trolling on all lakes but let us keep our lines!!
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Hey btpf,
Were talking about areas where no motor trolling is currently allowed. The idea is to allow fishing a sucker while positioning a boat and casting. No need to be so nasty, curb it. |
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| Why is everyone for this reg? does it really matter what we have now. Some people don't like to troll three rods, and then again, somo do. Let the angler choose what he\she wants to do.
If we already have this right, why give it up. License fees go up, stamp proposals, stocking efforts, I gladly will pay into these funds every year; just let me have the right to fish three rods.
I'm not the biggest fan of trolling, I love to cast way more than anything, but when you can drag 3 lines, you can figure a pattern out quicker and hopefully put an extra fish in the boat, exactly what we're out there to do. |
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| Hey if I misunderstood the question its my bad.
Let me make sure I have this crystal clear.
We can still fish with 3 lines on most any water. The lakes that currently do not allow trolling will allow trolling with one line and drag live bait with the another line? If that's whats being said that is fine and I would vote yes.
I was under the assumption that it basically wanted to make all trollers use only one line no matter what. If thats what is being said Im all for voting no.
BTW- How are people on Big Green going to catch lake trout if they cant use downriggers?? |
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Location: Sheboygan Falls, WI | Jig, leadcore, drop weights, wire lines. Choose your weapon. We do it on Lake Michigan without a problem. Let the anglers on Big Green be creative. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'It is recommended that one line per person, without the aid of down riggers or planer boards, be instituted, plus one additional line for casting in those waters not currently covered.' |
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Location: Hayward WI | I agree that trolling should be legal statewide, it's just another technique or tool to catch a fish. The social stigma trolling carries in the "Northwoods" is going to be tuff to overcome, but hopefully the one line allowance will help. I don't understand why planer boards or downriggers couldn't be used however?? If you only have one line to use, what difference does it make how you run it. I know from the past when backtrolling was legal, problems came up with people running boards with 3 lines on a 150 acre lake, but when you limit the angler to 1 line, I think I should be able to fish it with a planer or downrigger. What am I missing as to why the exclusion  |
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| I would love to troll the lakes in Vilas County. Imagine whats down there lurking in 25 feet? |
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| My Legend Plows and Wiley's Headshakers will taste many new waters all over Wisconsin! |
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| I voted "NO". Two reasons.
First, I'd miss all the nasty grams from GMG!
Second, as usual, it's worded badly, again! Like a 2nd grader wrote it, and it will still lead to interpretation issues with the Wardens. I do like the fact that one may now troll on all lakes up north, even if it is with only one line!
Would this overide the reg they put on the Wolf above Poygan?
Edited by Shep 3/17/2005 7:57 AM
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | let me get this straight.....trolling is introduced and Shep voted NO and I voted YES?????
I agree, it's worded like poo, they need to be sure this is just for Musky fishing only and not try to blanket all fishing here.
Although, I'm all for going the Minnesota route and going to 1 or 2 lines and allow trolling all over for everything.
Edited by Gander Mt Guide 3/17/2005 8:13 AM
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Location: Rhinelander, WI | From what I have read this would only affect lakes currently with a ban on trolling. All other lake that currently allow trolling would stay the same.
I agree this question is worded poorly, but it is just an advisory question. It has to pass here before it can be rewritten by state lawyers to actually get on the rule change ballot. I would suggest that if you get the basics of the proposal and are in favor, vote for it because if it doesn’t pass it will never make it to the rule change committee.
The idea behind no planer boards or down riggers is to prevent huge spreads of lines on small lakes in areas that have traditionally been opposed to trolling.
When a one line resolution came up a number of years ago there were people at the meetings speaking against it because they were worried about people filling a pontoon boat with 6 to 10 people and laying out a huge spread of lures. This would be extremely difficult, but it is the perception of the people who are against trolling. And when backtrolling was legal with three lines some guys did get good a laying out a spread of 6+ lines on small lakes. They caught a bunch of nice fish and this was why a group formed and eventually got backtrolling eliminated.
As far as tournaments go, they can set their own rules. Many of them currently say no live bait or row-trolling, if trolling became legal it would be easy for them to say no trolling period. Or they could allow it if they wanted to. It is really just about more options.
This rule change isn’t just for musky fishermen it is also for walleye fishermen, and personally I think I would use it more walleye fishing. O the places I would like to troll a Lindy rig. I think the Walleye fishermen actually want it more than the musky fishermen.
I think this is a fair compromise IN THE AREAS WHERE TROLLING IS CURRENTLY BANNED. I agree it does need to be worded better. But I think it is more enforceable and understandable than the current reg. Rather than a no downrigger or planner board wording I would rather see a max lines per boat.
Nail A Pig!
Mike
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Thanks Mike. I agree with everything you just posted. |
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| "The State of Wisconsin allows motor trolling in designated areas to increase fishing interest and tourism"
This is why I hate the current system of Spring Hearings and the Conservation Congress! I thought the reason we didn't allow trolling up North is because it would be bad for the fish, not to keep interest and tourism in check!
Edited by Shep 3/17/2005 9:00 AM
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| Totally opposed to this rule change. I learned how to musky fish casting on Crab lake in Vilas county. I don't want to see the trollers up there just having a field day while WI can't institute a higher size limit. This rule hasn't a snowballs chance in Haiti of passing. If you need to troll come on over to MN. |
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| DJS,
Actually, WI has alot more Muskie water open to trolling than MN. But on the other side, they have more Muskie water closed to trolling than MN. WI just outright has more Muskie water than MN. hehehe |
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | Absolutely right.....this reg isnt just for the Musky guys like I stated above, It's for the areas that are currently No Trolling. Gotta be sure all species are included, not just Musky.
Thanks for the correction. |
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| Shep,
From what I have heard about other public hearings and how they went regarding the proposed 50" limit on selected waters maybe we should just ask Tony Rizzo what he thinks of the proposal. You said it yourself I thought the idea of no motor trolling was to protect the fishery. Electrofishing, spearing and netting are also metods of fish capture should we just legalize those as well.
I bet the row trollers are thrilled to learn about this one. |
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | DJS....don't forget, trolling NE Wis was legal a while back and I believe that the 1 line idea passed the CC vote up in Vilas last season. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | DJS,
Hey, lighten up. No personal attacks, no bashing here, remember? The 50" proposal had a heck of alot more opposition than one man and isn't the issue. Row trollers are either doing that for the excercise, cool application, or because motor trolling isn't legal. This is a proposal, and the question was whether one would vote for it or not. I think we have your answer! |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | I'm a bit torn on this issue. I voted yes, but have some issues with it. One is trolling on the small lakes of Vilas and Oneida counties. The manners, or lack there of, of certain fisherman in the northwoods could cause problems. If these people are cutting us off while casting, I hate to think what will happen when we now have 10 boats trolling a small 400 acre lake. I just hope people will be considerate as I don't want a guy doing laps around me all day.
Also, what would this rule do to those who row troll on lakes that you can't motor troll on? Will they now be required to only run 1 line? I don't think they should have to.
I voted yes because I think it would be great to have the option as long as people are considerate. Sure I cast for suspendos, but it would be nice to tap into some fish I know are way down there but I just can't effectively fish for them. |
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One Line Motor Trolling?