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| Hey,
I found it interesting to read about the Howie rig in the past chat room notes. It sounded like
people will punch a hole in the suckers mouth and then run a B. swivel and leader through
the hole.
What have you guys used for punching the holes? When you run the b. swivel
through the hole do you then tie the leader to the line. I like to use the palomar knot and this
would be impossible to do. I do have other knots I could use. Would anyone using this rig
like to walk me through the rig up procedure.
Thanks,
Bill C. |
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | I used this rig several times in 2004, with great success.
I use either my split ring pliers, or my needle nose pliers to poke the hole through the suckers lip. Then I run the leader through the lip and either tie it to my line, or connect it to another leader with a split ring. I never had any problems attatching the sucker leader to a small (7 inch) 7 strand leader with a split ring.
I am sure Howie does it different, but when it is cold out, or I simply want to save time, I like to use the small 7 strand leader just because it is simple and fast. |
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| There is only one problem with this set-up and thats if you have to pull the suckfish in and out the boat or are fishing weeds. Pretty soon there is no face left to run your leader through. If you can leave your bait in deepwater for a longtime it works o.k, if not you are just wasting expensive bait. Pro`s and Con`s, of course! An awl works great to punch the perfect size hole! |
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | That's why suckers have two lips!!!!! I have used the lower lip before with no complaints.
Just be easy on the suckers, and you shouldn't tear up the lips to bad. I have never "worn" through their lip before, but that's just me. |
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| Use a scratch awl, fast and efficent through the lip. |
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| i'm not sure if this is the same exact style, but i poke a hole in the cheek with my needlenose (not the lip) and run a long sevenstrand through the mouth, out the cheek and along the side of the sucker to the treble.
this helps prevent tearing up the mouth when bringing it back into the boat or pulling weeds off, but it still rips free easily on a hookset. |
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Location: Home of the 2016 World Series Champion Cubs | Howie rig/P.Isle rig??? These are new to me. How are they different than the Herbie(aka Lift-Off rig -rubberband through the nostrils)?? Always looking for a new angle on things. Just curious?
Thanks,
Karl |
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Location: Racine, Wi | When I was using this type of rig, I would tie a snap on the main line, and just clip the leader to the sucker on there. Never had any problems. Make sure to use a good snap though.
Lambeau, the only problem I had when I tried to put the hole through the side of the mouth, was that they hook would end up getting pulled sideways, and burying in the side of the sucker, and then you end up missing fish. (of course, that could just be me) 
KO, the PI rig is basically a 3' leader with a treble attached at one end, and a swivel on the other end. Then you poke a hole in the lip of the sucker run the swivel through the mouth to your main line. Then just rig the hook in the back like a normal QS rig. The benefit of this rig is that your hookset goes right to the hook without any resistance. Hope that helps. |
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| Lambeau, the only problem I had when I tried to put the hole through the side of the mouth, was that they hook would end up getting pulled sideways, and burying in the side of the sucker, and then you end up missing fish. (of course, that could just be me )
i ran into that as well - which is why i started using the leaders/hooks that come in the herbie rigs because the hook comes with an attached safety pin.
i "T" the hooks (like on a jerkbait) away from the pin, attach the hook to the sucker using the pin and end up with a setup that doesn't tear the lip and also doesn't bury the hook in the side of the sucker. |
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Location: Presque Isle Wisconsin | Burying the hook in the sucker can be avoided by putting your hook in and out of the skin very lightly near the top of the sucker. Last season we used the rigged the hook through the front of the dorsal fin and went 16 for 18 with it rigged that way.Rigging it through the skin we took 15 of 20 fish without a problem.Some of those misses were caused by others factors other than the hook placement;ie,bad hook sets,muskies mouthing the bait and letting go ,ect.
The suckers seem to swim better,stay alive longer and look a lot more natural rigging them this way and the direct pull to the treble hook allowed for vastly better hook sets. We are using an awl also to punch the hole in the suckers mouth.Never had any problems at all wearing out the suckers mouth.I dont fish suckers around weed areas so cant speak to that. |
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| Thanks a lot guys. That cleared a lot up for me. Once again, muskiefirst is a big help.
Bill C. |
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Location: Home of the 2016 World Series Champion Cubs | Is there an illustration of this rig somewhere?? |
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Question concerning the Howie Rig/P. Isle Rig?