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Location: Minneapolis, MN | Does anyone _know_ if it is bad for a musky to be yanked out of deep water? I've heard about perch getting caught from 40FOW and puking up their swim bladders. I've read about people fizzing trout yanked from deep water. Does anyone have real knowledge as to wheter muskies have problems with coming up out of the deeps and what is too deep? Does time of year, water temp, or any other factors play a role in this? |
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Location: oswego, il | Joe, we caught a 32" pike on vermillion this summer that must have come from deep water. We were on a breakline in 12ft trolling when it hit. The belly on this fish was huge, it must have come up from the bottom of the break or even deeper to hit the lure which was running about 2ft below the surface. I could not get the fish to burp and the fish could not go down and was tailwalking on the surface gtrying to swim. The deep water was not overly deep off the break but enough to blow up this fishes swim bladder. Unfortunately the fish did not make it but we still had to release it since it was in the slot. |
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Location: Chicago | That is why you keep hyp. needle and puncture the bladder so they can return to the deep. The hole is small enough to not harm the fish. |
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| Slimm,
Just to play devils advocate for a moment, Has this ever been proven with Esocidae
I have heard walleye guys do this, but with the higher abundance of walleye in a given system, how would they know unless they tagged it?
I'm a little skeptical about doing something like this, but am curious as well.
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| Deep water structure and suspended baitfish should always be targeted, especially where it is legal to troll. Most fish caught over deep water are hooked in the upper water column. Even in late fall we never troll deeper than 20 to 30 feet. However, if you bring muskies up from very deep water, say jigging a Fuzzy Duzzit on bottom in 40 to 50 feet of water, then they can have problems with their swim bladders. The point is to fish the first 30 feet down and you shouldn't have a problem.  |
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Location: oswego, il | Muskyboy, the point I was trying to make in my first post was that my bait was only 2-3ft below the surface and this fish seemed to come from deep water to eat it. I figure it came up at least 20ft to eat the bait. Even though the bait may not be deep, that does not mean the musky wasn't.
As far as a needle goes, Do we really know if it does damage or not? If I had a needle in the boat I would still need to know how precisely where to place it and how far into the fish. I felt pretty bad about the pike and wish I could have done more for it, especially since it was not a legal fish. |
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Location: lansing, il | i know when were walleye fishing, and we are catching fish deep. we take our time fighting them bringing them up slowly and that seems to help, instead of horsing them to the surface. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | Muskyboy I'm talking about hooking fish on Fuzzies in about 35+FOW, not high up in the water column over deep water. |
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Location: Suspended | Interest topic, my local lake has people jigging 40' deep for walleye, hybrid-stripers, channel cats, crappie, and whatever else bites. Just today a guy I know had a walleye that couldn't swim away and he asked on the VHF radio if anyone knew how to Fizz a fish or if anyone wanted to take it, he doesn't eat fish. I later found out the next boat over caught a muskie at the same depth while jigging, it's not the first I've heard of. So here I sit, wondering how best to handle these situations and let people know the best route. Apparently the jury is still out, here's an article I found: http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/MNR/pubs/Fizzing.pdf
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Location: NeverNever Lake | From a scuba divers perspective I can tell you that the greatest pressure change occurs at the first bar, or 33' or second atmosphere. At sea level the atmospheric pressure is 14.7, at 33' it doubles to 29.4. However, from 33' to 66' the pressure only increases by 1/4, and only increases by 1/4 for each atmosphere thereafter.
I'm not sure how these changes effect the fish, but my guess would be that whatever changes the fish needs to make are totally numbed once that fish is hooked and in the heat of the battle............
I'd love to know what makes those big girls do their vertical pop-up when hooked.. |
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Pulling fish out of deep water....good or bad?