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| I went to the kennel to feed Mandy this morning and she was unable to get up. Her back end would not work. I got her into the Vet right away and he thought she may have slipped a disk and it just hurt too bad for her to get up. She did have some pain repsonse when he pinched her toes. I was kind of surprised he didn't want to do any x-rays. He gave her a shot of the most powerfull anti-inflammatory he could and said he would watch her and let me know later on today. If anyone has had this happen with any dog I would sure like to know what the outcome was. PM me or email at [email protected]. Any prayers you could spare would sure be appreciated. |
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA | Chad,
I am sorry to say I had something similar happen to a beagle. In this case the disk was ruptured. The vet said he could operate and fix it, but Nick (the dog) would be in pain for a while and it would probably happen again in a year or so. I had to put Nick down. I hope yours comes out better.
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Location: Bagley,MN 56621 | Go to FishingMinnesota.com website.........scroll down to the hunting dog topics and look up the user "Labs4me"......he's actually a moderator there.
His name is Ken (seasonal resident at the resort I stay at on Cass).
he's a good guy, could give you some good info. |
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Location: Eagle Grove, Iowa | Chad,
I went through those problems a few years ago. The vet said it could be a disk or a siezure gave her some pain shots and brought her home she was 12 yrs. old so the siezure was his best guess she never got better and 2 days later i was going to put her down she passed away. I do hope your dogs problems can be fixed how old is mandy? Tracy |
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| Just talked to the vet a little bit ago and Mandy had stood up once on her own. Helped my frame of mind for now. They are going to keep her overnight and then another shot of anti-inflammatory and go from there. Crossing my fingers. At two years old, me and her are just getting going good. I had some ducks shaking in their feathers. Now I just hope to get her home and go at it next year.
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Location: Eau Claire, WI | Chad,
Will keep you and Mandy in my thoughts and prayers.
I had a similar instance 5 years ago with my black lab. He was almost 12 then but he had no feeling in his toes after the incident. Sounds like there is some good hope in your situation.
My current Yellow is named Mandy too only spelled Mande. She is almost 5 years old now and the two of us are almost inseperable. I know how you feel...
Hang in there and don't give up hope, they can do some amazing things with veterinary science these days.
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Location: north central wisconsin | We lost our chocolate to a stroke at 12 years old 11 ago, as she exhibited the same symptoms. Our latest lab(black one) had trouble getting around this spring in his 12th year of life, and he is no longer with us either. 12 years is just not enough time!!!!!!!!!! |
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Location: Stevens Point, Wi. | I too had that happen to my 9 yr. old lab--totally paralized in the rear. The vet had no idea what happened and suggested putting the dog down. We opted to take the dog home and see what would happen. After 2 weeks of constant care by my wife and myself, the dog started to regain some movement, and within a month he had regained all movements. He lived a trouble free life after that. Still a mystery... |
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| dont want to send you in the wrong direction but I had the same exact thing happen to one a couple years ago....I have owned 4 labs alot of guys on this site have met them,,,Strange has it seems dont discount 'LYMES DISEASE",,,mine had the same symptoms has yours,,,his back legs and hips would not work and hed flop around helpless trying to get up,,,lymes can effect the joints especially in the back legs and hips,,,The good news is Lymes is very treatable in dogs,,,Steroids are what was prescribed for my dog by the vet and he was up and functioning in a week,,,I know you love him but if you get the wrong vet he might not recognise the lymes and it could get very expensive while the vet trys to figure it out ,,dont know where you live but know some excelent vets,,if possible try to obtain some steroids without a $400 vet visit,,Like I said I know you love em but you might consider two opinions one vet might not see the symptoms |
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| Hooker or anyone, Would the 103 degree temp be another sign of Lymes? |
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Location: Eau Claire, WI | Chad,
Do a search on Canine Lymes Disease on the internet/Google. You are sure to find info there.
And DO NOT be affraid to take her to another vet or call multiple vets in your town or neighboring towns to ask questions. I can hear your pain just in they way you are typing and searching for help. Get on the phone and ask questions.
A fever can be be symptom of the stress Mandy is under. No different than you when you are feeling under the weather.
Ask questions and if you not satisfied, call another vet. And I agree with Hooker...tell you vet to run the tests for Lymes.
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Location: Ogden, Ut | I think I would also either go back to your vet (or to another) to take some pictures (x-ray) of that back. Radiology can sure pinpoint (or rule out) a myriad of things that could be causing this condition.
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| Thanks for the support guys. I am real sure the vet saw the seriousness of the situation when I came thru the door carrying the dog and tears rolling down my face. I am 90% sure one shot was steroids (anti-inflamatory) and I know the other was antiboitics because of the fever. I will be ordering a Lymes test and x-rays tomorrow if things haven't progressed. The next step will be another office. Again thanks for the help, I can't research much here at work without the boss crashing down on me and you guys have given me some insight on possible issues I didn't have a 9 am. |
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Location: Rockford Il 61108 | Youll probably have to put her down. All of the dogs Ive had were in too much pain. Buck, a German shepeard and collie mixed was the last one. He lost control of his hind quarters then his Bowels. Nothing worse than a dog that craps everywhere. I put him down. It is sad. He was only eight. I used his hair in my bucktails. Worked Great
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Location: Ogden, Ut | I don't necessarily agree w/ Evar D; he obviously has some experience with the issue and that can't be discounted but there are literally thousands of different things that can cause lower back pain. Many of them are treatable. Great strides have been made in veterinary medicine over the last few years and things that were once thought to be impossible have now become almost routine. You are literally only limited by your budget (admittedly a sticky issue). In a younger dog that is otherwise in good health, many treatment regimes are possible for back problems. Most of the examples you have been given are from older dogs (I believe you said Mandy was only 2?) and costly treatment only holds off the inevitable a few months or a couple years at best. Mandy may have several good years left if a treatable problem is correctly dealt with at this age. I wish you both the best.
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| Chad -
Glad to hear she was up and moving a little. Hope she comes out of it. I have a 3.5 month old chocolate and already cant imagine life withouth him.
All my best. |
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| Fran Smith is an excelent and nationally known vet that raises her own labs of show quaility in MPLS if you want to seek somebody or maybe even phone |
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Location: Racine, Wi | Good Luck with the pup. I am with you in that I couldn't bear to see my pup like that. Ours was yacking, and itching unbelievably for a day or 2, and we took him to the vet. But we had to put a cat of ours down, and he had the same symptoms, so we feared the worse, but within 2 days he was up and being a pup again. (4 months) It can be a myriad of things, so stick with it. She'll be up and running soon. |
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Location: Appleton, WI | Chad, the fever does not match up with a disc problem at all. There definitely needs to be some more investigation on what is going on here. X-ray will not see the disc, just the space but it will provide some clues. The fever could be an indication of lymes, It is a sign of some type of infection. Get some blood work also and include the lymes, Good luck our prayers are with Mandy.  |
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| Blastomicosis? Very serious fungal infection. Run this by your vet if caught early enough it can be treatable. |
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| Chad- They have pretty much covered all the things I would have thought of. Keep us posted on how things are progressing and I'll be sure to drop a prayer or two in yours and Mandy's name.
We had to put our 13 year old Chocolate down about 2 years ago for Cancer reasons. Hardest thing I've ever had to do although we knew it was a necessity. My yellow, Doc, is now 12. Some day we'll have a real hard time around here without him. He's definitely slowing down and gets stiff but isn't in any pain that we can tell. Hopefully, it won't be too soon.
What some don't understand is how attached we can get to dogs. They are definitely like another kid in our house. Glad to see others around here feel the same. Well, besides you Mark H., I already know where the dogs fit in at your house...I think Mande needs an ice cream cone!
Scott
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Location: Contrarian Island | Chad, check on the blastomicosis thing as well...my dads 3.5 year old Golden just passed away from that ....she was a gift from my sister and I for xmas and she was my dads life...I know the pain of losing a pet...they aren't even a "pet", they are really a family member in my book...I don't think that micosis thing effects the movement but I am not positive...check on Lymes too...and keep us posted...I hope she pulls thru!
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| We brought Mandy home this morning. Running full bore too. Don't know what to think at this point and the vet said not to overthink the situation. He gave me direct orders to keep a log on any weird things that she does and to call immediately if she is down again. He gave her three big shots of antibiotics over the course of the last two days. He called it Coonhound disease, he said quite few coonhounds go down like that and no one can find what is wrong and then one day they get up and go full throttle again.
I can't express how gratefull my family is to have everyones ideas, support and prayers on this issue. I knew that I could come here and get ideas quickly and I did. Thank you everyone. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Coonhound Disease is Idiopathic Polyradiculoneuritis, which means spinal nerve inflammation caused by an unknown process. Most idiopathic diseases in humans are self limiting and that certainly sounds like what happened to your dog. Hope everything continues to go well. |
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Location: Eau Claire, WI | Chad,
I been thinking about you and Mandy all day, while I was working in the shop with my Mande by my side.
Very happy for Mandy's recovery...let's hope it's whatever "Coonhound's condition" is and that you or Mandy will never have to see that again.
Keep us posted... |
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Location: Iowa | I'm glad she's back home and looking healthy Chad. Maybe you'll have to go out and bring the ducks to her for a while. Or just give her a break and keep plugging away for the muskies untill freeze-up. Which hopefully I will be doing again really soon, it was really hard driving by the lake today and not even having a rod. If I hadn't had passengers I would have swam out to you and your dad just to fish for 15 minutes. Good luck with her, and I'll let you know what I might be able to work out next weekend if you have any free time. |
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| Great news. Thanks for the update.
Hope you don't have to deal with that again.
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| I certainly can't diagnose conditions over the internet but by the symptoms I would have to consider disk disease, fibrocartilagenous embolism, coonhound paralysis, diskospondylitis (bacterial or fungal), lymes disease, or even possibly a myopathy. If her condition doesn't improve you might consider more tests. |
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| Running hard again tonight. All is well, keep my fingers crossed. Gonna blast at some birds Saturday morning I think. Tired of muskies. HEHEHEHEHE |
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Location: CENTRAL WISCONSIN | My dad has a 5 yr old female black lab. In the past 3 yrs, she has been carried out of the woods/fields at least a half dozen times because her hind quarters just failed to work. She normally recovers after just a few hours though. I did some research into this, and found that Labs in particular have this type of problem. It is mostly to blame on poor conditioning....and the fact that the Lab will basically work itself too hard. They just don't know when to stop. Check into it on the web. Very interesting. |
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA | Glad to hear she is doing better!
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Location: in the white boat | Maggie (pictured) and I are glad that Mandy is back at full speed.
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| Glad to hear she is doing better Chad. Good luck with the birds. Muskynutz, labs are prone to a hereditary disorder called exertional myopathy in which they can suffer weakness and cramping upon exertion and it is exacerbated by cold. There is some good information out there on the condition. |
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Location: Eau Claire, WI | Fishon....
Is this a treatable condition..? Just curious. |
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| Mark,
Valium seems to help but I would say with limited success. Best not to breed these labs as it is hereditary. |
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