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| Is anybody runnig one of these new Verado motors? I'm eager to see the new Tuffy 2060 and if it will take a 250, I'm thinking about the new motor but I'm a little scared of new things. |
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | Mercs are good moters, but I think they may have out done themselves on this on.
Totally digital??? I guess if you are only going to use the boat 1-4 times a year, it might be good, but it just doesn't seem like something that will take the abuse of being on the water 150-200 days a year. |
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Location: Eau Claire, WI | Cory,
I know Rob Manthai is running a 250 on his Ranger 621. Early reports from him, Keith Kavajecz, and Gary Parsons are that. "This is the best motor they have ever run"...
Rob guides full-time in Vilas/Onieda counties I'm sure he would gladly give you a ride if you took a drive up there.
If you check out The Next Bite site they have a Mercury discussion board and there have been quite a few posts regarding the Verado. Just wish the price tag wasn't so abusive...OUCH.
I too am waiting to get a preview of the 2060... More than likely the new 2060 or 1760 will be my next rig. |
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| Thanks for the info guys. I'll be up in Vilas next week and maybe I'll contact Manthei for a ride. I'll also check out that site you mentioned. Just wondering how much they are going for now that you mention it. Right now I'm running a 2002 1760 Esox Deep V with a Merc 150 and I completely love it. It gets a little crowded with 3 guys and all their Lakewoods. I'm eagerly awaiting the new boats and hope I can check them out at the shows this winter. If I get the ok from the wife, the 2060 will be my next rig, just deciding wheather I want to go Optimax or 4 stroke. |
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Location: Rockford Il 61108 | Hey guys, before you go and jump on the Mercury look at the new bass and walleye reports of the Evinrude Etec 250hp. It beats the Merc in most categories and my favorite, holeshot. Good Luck |
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Location: Eau Claire, WI | Cory,
If your running the EDV 1760 and like that size rig and it's price range you owe it to yourself to check out the new Osprey model that was previewed a few weeks ago. I've seen it and been in it...personally I like it more than the EDV-1760. I understand the prototype is going to get rigged next week so hopefully I'll be able to get ride shortly after that. I am considering that specific boat but also want to see the 2060.
I'm not the guy to quote you Verado prices... but from what I've read and talked to one dealer they are pricey. Maybe that will settle down a little once production increases. Let's face it the number of people who can afford and/or are willing to spend 30-40k+ on a boat is quite limited. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Mike,
Yes, digital. No worries about using the digital controls and throttle at all, no more than in a truck or car. The new Mercury Digital Daisy Chain devices are VERY tough.
The 2060 is on the way, looking at Mid October for the testing. The weight distribution was specifically designed for the new 4 stroke motors. Can you say FASTTTTTTT?? |
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Location: Plainfield IL | I am not sold on this motor. When was the last car that was equiped with a supercharged and intecooler dependable, reliable and not in for repair all the time? Outboards run at such high RPM's compared to car engines. My next motor will be a 4 stroke. Too many issues with the opti's, fichts and other DFI motors. I will keep an eye on the new E-tec. I have read much about them in bass and walleye. Beware of initial reports on these motors because most of the reports are coming from Mercury sponsored guides/professionals. The opti's and fichts had so much hype in the late 90's and most of the recreational fisherman purchased these engines only to have issue after issue.
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| "When was the last car that was equiped with a supercharged and intecooler dependable, reliable and not in for repair all the time?"
Ah, how about Buick? Supercharged 3800, and reliable as any motor out there. Oh, and the Verado is a 4-stroke. If the reports on the Verado's are coming from Merc sponsored guides/Pros, couldn't one also assume all the reports on the E-Tec are coming from Bomb sponsored guides/pro's?
Hardly think that "most" recreational fisherman purchased Opti's and Ficht's. And most of those that did have had no problems. A few did, sure. But certianly not most. I'd bet the real number is less than 2%. |
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Location: Plainfield IL | I will try to clarify my stance on the verado since my last post did not have all my insights and some thoughts may have been misconstrued. My overall OPINION on the verado and or E-Tec is I would not purchase one due to it being new technology that is not proven in the outboard industry. I would not want to be one of the “Guinea Pigs” in the market to run this motor. Since I work in the IT industry I am very familiar with deployment of new technology to the industry. Most of the time I feel the customers/consumers of these products are the test beds for the manufacturers. I am looking at upgrading to a newer walleye boat in the 98-2002 year with 225hp. I have done much research on the DFI motors regardless of mfg. I have emailed and conversed with tons of mechanics, fishermen and others in the industry regarding these motors. From origination through 2001 or so most everybody recommended to stay away from these motors no matter the mfg. The technology was not perfected. The mfg’s are starting to perfect the technology behind the DFI. My thoughts are that I wanted a boat/motor combo that would last the next 7 years or so. My overall opinion would be to wait until the motor and technology behind the motor prove themselves
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| I bought the then, new, 1980 F150. Brand new design, and I kept it 16 years, and 256,000 miles. In 1996, I bought the then, new, 97 F150. 7 years and 142,000 miles later, I'm still very happy with it, and have had zero problems. Both these trucks were new technology. I never hesitated to buy new stuff. I'd buy one of the new slick F150's this year if mine wasn't still a nice truck.
Yup, the DFI's had a few problems when they came out. But the problem motors were in the vast minority. I know lots of guys who have 99-01 Opti's with a ton of hours on them, and no problems. I personally know only 2 people that had them and had problems. While new products sometimes have bugs, it ain't even close to the problems software companies spew out as finished product. |
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Location: Wishin I Was Fishin' | Only thing with the Verado is that it is 100lbs heavier for the horsepower you get, comparing it to a 2 stroke.
Mercury says it's the compromise you have to make for the extra bells and whistles, like the digital steering and throttle.
Hydralic steering seems to work just fine?
Time will tell....I would think a 4 stroke would be way more reliable in the long range. |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | I just got to test drive a 250 Verodo on a Nitro 911 yesterday morning. The Tracker guys were doing their photo shoot and I was able to take one out for a spin. To me the motor performed just like an I/O. Smooth power from start to finish. VERY quiet compared to my 225 Opti. The "fly by wire" throddle was AWSOME! Just set it and go. The new stearing was very funky. I had that boat chine-walking all over the place. The Nitro 911 is notorious for that to begin with, but with that new stearing it was very tough to get a feel for the corrections that needed to be made to make her go flat and fast. I think you'd need some serious seat time to get a good feel for her. For all that don' t know me I run a 21' bassboat currently and do know how to drive one correctly.
Shep, you may want to wait on this technology though. The entire time I was driving it, an error message "check paddle" was on. The Tracker guys knew about it and had no idea what it ment. There was also a 5 minute time frame where I couldn't get it in forward gear. Could've been driver error, but I have driven a boat once or twice. The thing apparently also doesn't have a rev limiter since I wound it up to close to 7000rpm's (oops), but it took it and purred.
Give the motor 1-2 more years and I think it should be ready by then.
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | I read a current Bass and Walleye Boats article on the New ETEC, sounds like an awsome motor and I believe it ourperforms the Verado.
Somebody said here that ETEC is unproven...ETEC is an upgrade on the FICHT system. |
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Location: Rockford Il 61108 | It smokes the Verado for the same price.
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