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| Ohio hawg that was recently caught, 51 inches 42 pounds. AWESOME FISH!!
Now here is what the guy said about it.....
Canankamp said, he won't get it mounted. Instead he plans to filet it for several meals. "They're as good a walleye if you fix them right", he said.
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | That really sucks. It seems quite obvious that he has ate plenty if he know exactally how to fix them so they taste better than walleye! Some people never learn is right. |
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | I'm all for CPR, I practice it and live it, but if a guy wants to keep a legally caught fish, who are we to critisize it? Maybe that fish will feed him and his family and go to a good cause? |
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Location: Athens, Ohio | If you read the whole article in the News Trawler, you'll see that he fought this fish to exhaustion and could not revive it. He guesses that the fish was near the end of her life and decided to keep it after not reviving it successfully. He's to be contratulated for a fine catch and fight, I think feeding the family with it is better than letting it sink to the lake bottom for the catfish to devour. My only criticism to his actions is that he apparently could have done a better job documenting the fish for Fish Ohio awards and the lake trophy, instead he took it right to the newspaper. m |
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| If he fought this fish for over 20 mintues, I would assume that he wasn't using musky gear and really didn't have any intentions of releasing it.
Also I agree, if he knows how to prepare them so they are better than walleye, I will again assume that this isn't his first musky to be deep fried.
I can't believe other people don't care about this. Also, Gander Mtn. Guide, if you are 100% for catch and release you would make excuses for this guy. You can't say you are 100% for something then say but it is ok to keep it. If you were 100% for Bush, you wouldn't say vote for Kerry. If you were 100% against abortion, you wouldn't say, but I guess it's ok. If you are 100% against gay marriage you wouldn't say, but it's ok. So I believe you aren't 100% for catch are release.
Who cares if he feeds his family. Does that mean he should kill every one he catches if it feeds his family? Why not then shoot all the deer he can too, or shoot all the squirrls out of the trees for food. It's not right.
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | This is NOT the offical MuskieFIRST take on C&R, as we dont have one, but this is my personal view on this situation, and many other situations as they come up:
It is a FISH! Killing muskies for food isnt a positive thing, though it is something that does happen. We revere the fish, we do everything we can to propogate the species numbers and population strengths throughout the muskies' range, but when we raise the fish to a level of godliness, something that CANNOT be used for anything beyond what we think is right, I PERSONALLY believe we are working to alienate more people AWAY from the sport, and from C&R then we do to draw them in to our philosophies.
Personally I am for 100% C&R in my own pursuit of the fish. I have never purposely killed a muskie, though I have had at least one die by my hands. What we do to add to the population of the fish (stocking) and spreading awareness of the benefits of C&R is a positive thing for the fisheries, but what we do in the pursuit of them is not overly beneficial for the fish. Driving heavy metal hooks into fish's face, mouth, sides in order to drag them in to the boat, so that we can get a picture of them....none of that does anything positive for the livelihood of our prey. YES, we should continue to do everything that we can to allow for a high post-C&R survival rate, but we have to be honest that they are living creatures that we ARE using for our own enjoyment. In our pursuit of that enjoyment we do injure these fish, and in injuring fish we ARE going to kill a few. I personally killed a 38"er in Canada about 4 years ago when she swallowed a jackpot to the throat, then got caught in the netting (uncoated net that was then thrown out after this episode) and after extensive hook removal surgery and numerous, lengthy attempts to reviver her in the water, she just wouldnt go back down, and stopped breathing. A dead fish at my boat. The worst part was that I COULDNT take her home and eat her, because the limits were 54", so she was left to float as bear/gull/turtle food. Was I happy about this? NO, actually it really ruined the day's fishing, but I had done everything I could do to revive the fish.
What we do is inherintly BAD for muskies, there is NO denying that. But when we say that others CANNOT kill ANY fish, for ANY reason we start to be seen as ELITIST, and will be pushing new people AWAY from the sport, and away from the idea of catch and release.
The last 30 years of muskie fishing have seen the rise of C&R, and the growth of muskie fishing as a sport, and a growth in the range of the fish's population. To continue that we need to EDUCATE, not DICTATE. Congratulate them for the catch while educating on the benefits of C&R. BUT never forget that if someone acts within accordance of the law, we CANNOT deride them for what they did.....when we do that we start putting ourselves in the same light as those groups such as PETA who place all animals, fish or otherwise, on the same level or above that of PEOPLE's rights. EDUCATE people about C&R, but remember it is a philosphy we follow, not a law. |
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Location: Madtown, WI | I think my elitist alarm just went off.
You can be 100% for something AND STILL respect another persons choice.
One word will help this in the future....EDUCATION...
Watch out how you may come across to others...your passion maybe seen as something else to someone else.
I too am not happy about the loss of such a beauty...but respect what he did. Now try and educate him for future fish he may catch...OR..give him an ear full about how he should have done this or that and how great we are and how bad he was....and watch him thump every next muskie he catches and says "see no one tells me what to do!"...Persuade...not persecute.
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | CPainter, we're on the same page....I just said it better. |
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Location: Madison, WI | Sick, Nice anon post........NOT......
Relax and enjoy life. I am disappointed he kept the fish too. But you know what, it was his right to make that choice. What you or I or anyone else on this board says will never change what happened. Take your energy and focus on the future. Teach respect for nature and its creatures and it will pay off. |
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Location: Athens, Ohio | Sickie - the article said he was using 80 pound test line, so he musta been ready for action. Apparently, the fight was not over once netted, as the article describes another battle in the net. That fish literally fought itself to death.
As far as shooting all the deer (which I advocate each time I tear up my car with one), Ohio law places limits on harvest of deer. Ohio law also places limits on harvest of muskie. Two daily, no minimum size. At our MI annual meeting, an ODNR biologist was asked about the possiblity of adding minimum sizes or reducing the number allowed. In the state's view. C & R has contributed so much to the stabilization of the muskie population in the state in combination with a good stocking program that further restrictions as a matter of law are not necessary. The state counts on some harvest (or fish-murder or whatever you wanna call a 'keeper') as part of its management strategy.
I hope I have the opportunity to catch one this size and make a decision at that time what is best for me and the fish. m |
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Location: Madtown, WI | just because you use more words doesn't mean better...I have an exwife that use to use a TON of words...but all I ever heard was BLAH BLAH BLAH!! 
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| This reminds me of a feud that I started on a hunting site when I bad-mouthed the TV program for using dogs to tree a mountain lion that was then uncerimoniously arrowed by a guy wearing a freshly ironed shirt with a huge Mathews logo on the back.
I opened my yap and was pounced upon by almost all of the regulars of that site. They all said the same thing in different ways, and now it makes sense to me.
Anytime we bad-mouth anybody who has taken fish or game in a legal manner because it upsets us or we don't like the method used, we are helping all of the anti-hunting and anti-fishing groups across the country. They feed off of the fact that we can't agree among ourselves.
So, did he catch it legally? Did he have a license? Would we like to have seen it released? YES
Is there anything wrong with what he did? NO! He abided by the laws set up in his state by his DNR, so it's OK. Us bitching about it doesn't make the situation any better, it just makes us look like we don't know how to get along or express our feelings in an appropriate manner.
Personally I don't plan on ever keeping another muskie in my life. I don't care how big it is. That's why I carry a camera. But there are chances that I just might rip the gills out of a fish once or twice before I die, or I might have one go belly-up. I'll make every attempt to CPR every fish that I catch, but all I can do is try to lead by example when it comes to effecting the actions of others.
Let's not give "Fish are Friends, NOT FOOD" any ammo to turn around and use against us.
Peace my brothers 
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | I have a lot to say about this but will keep my mouth shut.
All I will say is: This is wrong and so is making excuses for keeping it. |
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | Sick....I practice CPR 100%, That does'nt mean I force my opinions or practices on others...they do what they want. I dont look down on this guy for keeping it and eating it....do I eat musky? No, I dont. Is what this guy did wrong? NO, not if the fish was legally caught!
They put bag limits out there for a reason...so the people who want to keep fish can do so!
If it was "wrong" to keep them, the bag limit would be zero.
Edited by Gander Mt Guide 5/18/2004 12:43 PM
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | No, Mike, it IS NOT wrong. It may be against your beliefs, and against your personal preference as to what you or I would like to see happen, but what this fellow did is legal. He tried to revive the fish, according to the story. What he does with the fish after that is totally up to him, and so is the decision to keep it or not.
Slamr, Beav, and others said it well. I will simply reinforce what was said with this:
Education, education, education. CPR acceptance is a process, not an event. If one wishes to be a CPR educator and advocate, I suggest employing educational techniques that might win over those you wish to influence, not alienate them. |
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Location: Southern W.Va. | If you want to eat fish, go to Long John Silvers
If you want to keep on catching fish then you MUST release ther fish for future sport.
Some where down the road , one HAS to make a stand to protect the fish that we , as a group, try so hard to catch . And with a very large % released to fight another day. Who knows , that very fish that was killed could be the very fish that turns another "fish killer" into another protector of the fish that I love to chase. Feed his family? Please don't be so naive to believe that this was his first musky to bite the bullet and end up on his plate. It may have been his right and it may have been the law But it doesn't make it right. How would LOTW be today if everyone kept and killed the muskys caught in a year. We would push the fishing industry BACK 100 years instead of trying to protect the fishing industry for future use .
Trout are stocked 75yds in frout of my house and I do everything that I can to insure that the fish have a chance to scatter out and survive for future catches. And I mean everything from trying to clean out the hole where ther fish are stocked with a rod and reel and releasing them downstream to rocking the hole at night and trying to run the fish off to other places up and down stream.
I figure that in doing this , I'm doing my small part in my neck of the woods to insure that there is fish to catch in the future.
Just my thoughts
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Location: Angola, IN | Good post Mauser.
People who let legislature dictate to them what's "right or wrong" have small, feable minds. Just because the law says that he can keep the fish doesn't mean it's okay to do so.
Laws cannot dictate ethics.....because the people who make laws don't possess any in the first place. |
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Location: Southern W.Va. | Thank you for your kind words , Steve, but I was just telling what was in my heart and the truth about the trout in the stream in front of my house. I've gotten some bad looks from people who says things like " If you don't want those trout, give them to me" and things like that.
25 years ago , I could catch 100 bass in a mile of river here but now ( and I think its from over fishing and NOT protecting the fish during spawn) you would have a hard time catching a dozen or so. This river would be dead ,I think, if not for those who transport and "restock" the fish in hard to reach and out of the way areas. Caught aand released a 23 1/2" brown 3 years ago , 4 miles from the nearest stocking point, downstream. Caught in August on a black 1/8th oz. crappie jig. Not fished that area in 2 years as it's a b***h to get to. Guess I'm getting soft in my old age.
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | You guys go on and on and make it sound like Musky are extinct or something....they're far from that.
If it were up to you guys, there'd be no harvest....that is not feasible. I suppose the walleye guys would want to have thier way and not have a harvest..then the trout guys would want the same....pretty soon there would be no harvest of anything.....bad bad idea.
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Location: Angola, IN | Mauser wrote: "Steve, but I was just telling what was in my heart and the truth"
EXACTLY. Laws shouldn't dictate ethics......your heart should. I'm not an idiot, maybe a little Red, but I could care less what the law has to say about anything, especially fishing regulations.
I don't think this is hostile or will turn people into more aggressive fish-killers. And I don't buy the "it's just a fish" argument either. Bass is just a fish, crappies are just a fish....and I don't care if someone has a basket full of them, ready for the frying pan. To me, a musky is something more.....because I donate $$, raise $$, and collect $$ to keep the fishery strong. I have a vested interest. So don't be upset if you get an ear-full of my opinions if I see you with a clubbed fish. |
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | Ahhh...for every one of you who thinks Musky is a different species, there's a guy who thinks the same about Bass or Walleye....these same guys give as much as they can to BASS or Walleyes unlimited.....Emotion shouldnt dictate legislation either |
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Location: ashtabula ohio | i cant argue with people keeping fish for the table...even if its a muskie ...it is their right. as much as i disagree also{and would never keep one},but i would try to educate them somewhat. BUT, this story smells way BAD...! seems as though he snagged it below a dam... check out O.H. M.C. " ohio huskie muskie club" get on the message board and read the "news journal" threads and especially the reply by "bystander" if you guys are pissed now...look out! alot of people you just cant teach... |
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Location: Holly, MI | Whew this is a toughie.
Let me start by saying that, to the best of my knowledge, every Muskie I have ever had up to the boat has swam away strong to reproduce and fight another day. That is my way as well as most of the guys on this board. The ocassional guy that wants to keep a muskie has every right to do so. If you want 100% cpr then you have to change the law to read that way. Be careful how strong you chastize and preach to others who don't think exactly the same as you. Retaliation is an ugly thing and can have dangerous effects. Also be careful how high of a pedistal you place the Muskie on, it is an animal, not a human life. It is easy, for me too, to get emotional about somthing that you are very passionate about. Just think before you speak and you will probably do the Muskie population a favour in the long run. |
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Location: Willoughby, Ohio | This was posted on the OHMC message board at http://pub6.dream-tools.net/tools/messageview.mv?view+ohiohuski...
"I was with my wife when he brought the fish up to his car.
A) He had no boat with him as it was reported.
B)YES it was below the dam.
C) It was quite apparent that the fish had been foul-hooked above the caudle fin.
D) The fish appeared to be diseased from something due to the leigions around it's eyes, Back, and gill plates. (We found one with a similar problem last year up near the ramp. Not dead but not far from it.)
When we suggested that we could call theresa and notify the O.D.N.R. to have it registered he was VERY much against it.
I guess what each person views as ethical or otherwise is their own business.
My wife and I are long standing members of muskies inc. and our feelings and thoughts are of no consiquence to this situation. The fish was going to die plain and simple. But i just dont go along with painting yourself as mansfields own version of the old man and the sea. At the very least it should have been turned over to the O.D.N.R. for autopsy to find out why it was sick.
No scale samples were taken (Although we offered an envolope) And it was bearing a gill tag.
Our two cents worth!!!"
Sounds to me like another f'in hillbilly snagging fish. We have a problem with that here in Ohio below some of our dams. Sad. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Perception can and does determine reality for many folks. Placement of the Muskie's stature as some would would be based on one's perception, which is serioulsy influenced by one's 'Muskie' hobby/beliefs/etc. I know some bass guys who feel as strongly about their favorite fish. I am told there are also walleye guys who get very upset when a fish is kept.
The reality of most muskie fisheries management strategies do not reflect the perception many of us have. Selective harvest is part and parcel to most management strategies I have ever seen, reflected by the capacity of the waters to produce true trophy opportunity in some cases and reflecting the will of the majority in others.
I believe that Muskie management should be left to those qualified to manage the fish. Biologists.
The fact that I believe something doesn't necessarily make it so. Show the public in your area the facts supporting a zero harvest strategy, supported by fisheries biologists. Convince the public, that's the job. If it's 'right' in your perception, then find the ways it takes to make it 'right' in the general public's mind.
Personally, I don't agree at all with a zero harvest concept. Bad idea, for about a dozen reasons that have less to do with actual management and have everything to do with the potential future management of our sport.
So a guy catches and kills a muskie. Is he 'wrong' to do that? Not according to the management strategy there, or that fish would have been illegal to harvest. Don't like it? Then quit blaming the guy who is simply not informed about our personal reality. Find out what can be done to change things, and make it so. If it turns out that you can't make it so, then you are probably experiencing the reality of reflecting a minority viewpoint in a democracy.
Raging against the majority usually will not get you any bonus points, if you know what I mean. My 2 cents... |
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Location: Northwoods | Get a grip guys -- accidents happen in the fish world, just like in the real world, mistakes are made, someones intent to catch and release went wrong. Who are you to judge and condemn? Your posts reflect extreme hostility towards a person, who tried to make the best of what happened, not wasting the fish, feeding people, he does not deserve your vicious cuts and degrading remarks.
You were not there - nor was I - and how many times have you caught a fish and had to "fight" it to the boat, having hooked it so that it could not escape prior to getting in the net and boat having continuous runs in and out, which sets the hooks deeper.
Or maybe you have not and only assume the worst against this man. How may of you experts have ever hooked a 51" or larger pig? Been there - done that - I think not, but I've watched several pigs come and go being hooked by my husband -- some short and sweet to the boat and back, others not so easy. Lighten up -- enjoy the sport! |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Those of you thinking about messing with szqwral for her last post.....I'd think twice. Messing with a man is one thing, messing with his women on his home turf is another. I personally agree with her, but then again, I frequent her couch and her coffee maker, so MAYBE I'm partial to her words of wisdom.
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Location: oswego, il | When I was a kid my neighbor casted his zebco 202 into the steet and hooked a VW beetle in the back bumper. The reel handle was going backwards at a really fast clip. Sure would have been nice to catch it but then again we were not prepared for such a catch, no release tools or anything like that. It most likely would have ended up in his driveway. |
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Location: ashtabula ohio | steveo i like the reply.mostly i agree with it.but is he "wrong to catch and kill a muskie", no not at all. but that fish was illegally harvested by illegal means in ohio[snagging} a zero harvest is for sure a bad thing in any fishery...just the way it went down is absolutely pathetic. first he caught it out of his boat , witness' say he got it below the dam. ive seen guys like this{then his friends come} DESTROY small fisheries{bass-crappie lakes} as mauser stated earlier{re rivers: trout,bass} the brainless actions behind it are what eat me...it is only one dam FISH as stated before.. just the ignorance is deplorable.
szqwral- it was no accident, snag and eat is more like it, no C+R here...sheesh. toddm why reply... |
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| Funny how opinions and views are so different yet so much alike.
In my experience Ohio anglers overall are years away from what Wisconsin anglers are overall in relation to muskies and catch and release. That said Wisconsin anglers overall are years away from what MN anglers are in relation to catch and release. At least in my opinion.
I used to go by the acronym C.A.R.E. (Catch and Release Everything)
I no longer feel that way. If the gentlemen that caught this fish in some way get a kid involved in fishing then that fish died for a #*^@ good reason. Instead of hardcore Musky anglers fighting about things like this and possibly alienating another angler we should try to make a difference. I emailed the article author about catch and release. How old that fish was and what it took to get to that point.
I'll bet that the education in OH in no diffrent from the education in MN. Almost non existant. Find me education about Muskies and catch and release on the internet. Slim pickings in my opinion.
I find much more offense with the article than with the fisherman. It could have been written better. If the author had more access or did a better job at researching Muskies I'd bet it would have been written much differently and with a different attitude.
It's just a fish. A special, incredible, life altering, crazy fish but a fish none the less. Sometimes we treat this fish better than our neighbors, friend and fellow human beings. THAT is wrong.
I love a soapbox.
I'm going FISHING!
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Location: Plainfield IL | Some people just dont get it. Here is a post from lakelink regarding lake delavan. "Caught a few nice crappies also and allot of small crappies. The crappies I cleaned still had spawn in them." This will probably be the same knucklehead that blames northerns and every other game fish for the lack of and small size of crappies. |
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| If he did indeed snag the fish, he is wrong. Period.
If he caught it by legal means then it completely up to him to do what he wants with the fish. While I may not agree with what he did, he is doing nothing wrong. If he does not hold this fish in the same regard that all of us on these boards do, that is his perogative. Do you hold a walleye or bass in the same regard that a walleye/bass nut does? I surely dont.
I support catch and release 100% and plan never to intentionally kill a muskie, but I will not berate someone for keeping a fish that he had a legal right to. That makes us all, as muskie fishermen/women, look bad. What I will do is try my best to explain the benefits of catch and release.
It has been said over and over again...EDUCATION is the key. Attacking someone and b*tching because they wont do it your way is DEFINITELY NOT the answer. |
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Location: Angola, IN | No one is calling this guy up and attacking him.
It takes all kinds......a very popular idea these days
Since we all pretty much practice 100% CPR, we can advocate the release of muskies any way we want.
If you want to be the educator and be politically correct....that's your right.
If you want to confront the guy, that's your right.
If you want to act like this kind of stuff doesn't happen on your home lake, that's your right.
Me telling this guy that "he's an idiot for killing a big musky" is no different than some of you telling me that "I'm an idiot for telling him what he did was wrong". We all have our own ways. Thank God for that.
Remember, it takes all kinds. I don't mind being the extremist. It helps balence out the people who musky fish who don't care or advocate CPR. |
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| Luckymusky, I did not have time to read the article to form a proper opinion so I had a smartass experience that really happened when I was a kid to share. Sorry you seen no humor in it. |
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| its all about the sport. everyone has the right to make a decision that they can live with. i release all my lunge . its my choice. we live in an excellent world blessed by some of the best angling possible. treat the fish with respect, that it deserves. i have great reverence for the species and some guys don't get it. thats okay because we have rights within the law. don't lose focus, one fish here or there will not destroy the fishery, i am sure several die each year from being hooked and handled improperly. still does't make things right...do what you can to protect your resource and don't beat up on those less skilled or informed. we are all passionate about what we do, sometimes even crazy.....but we do it, we love it, and we respect it.....keep the faith.........crippler........i agree 100% with sworral |
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