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| Would you support a non profit org. that's sole purpose was to raise Muskies to be stocked where needed.
That welcomed all members regardless of views on C & R, size limits, WR size, tournaments, etc...
Perhaps a national org that didn't have chapters yet had a once a year fund raiser meeting.
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Location: champaign, illinois | Not sure how to vote as I am a member of Chapter 27 and also The Lake Shelbyville Muskie Club which isn't a chapter.
Chapter 27, Central Illinois Muskie Hunters, initiated Project Green Gene and LSMC has donated quite heavily toward it.
Both clubs are members of the Illini Muskie Alliance which also stocks fish.
And I'm also on the board of the Illinois Muskie Tournament Trail which donates all it's proceeds towards the muskie fishery.
Not sure what you're looking for here...?!?
Jay
Lake Shelbyville Muskie Club www.shelbyvillemuskie.com
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Illinois Muskie Tournament Trail www.illmuskie.com | |
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| Jay, Just wondering out loud. I have talked with others about whether an org like this would draw interest. I see that a Non profit has been started to sort out the world record mess and is asking for $50.00 donation. I personally beleive this is a waste of money and truthfully could care less about a world record. If someone supports it and wanted to spend the time and $$ I understand that this is their choice and I respect that. What if someone started a org. and asked for $5.00 or $10.00 for stocking would it be supported. I have no plans or time to do this yet was wondering how others felt. Would I help or support this? Heck yes. I wish I'd just fish and shut up.
Edited by Fish It 1/30/2004 12:47 PM
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Location: Lindenhurst, Illinois | I vote no. This would jump into the political arena way to fast. I donated, why aren't you stocking my local lakes why are you stocking there or here etc. My guess is it would become one big bitch session. | |
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Location: Madison, WI | This I would support. Steve, I know midge would jump in if there was free beer!!!!!! | |
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Location: Athens, Ohio | Just fish it. I voted not, I think that is the prime responsibility of state fish & wildlife folks and I'd support any organization that gets politically active to revive state budget resources in that direction. I think the state should decide who puts what fish into their public resources, and have an honest, scientific and effective means of making such decisions. Remember the crappie fishermen at Cave Run a couple years ago protesting federal muskie stocking in 'their' lake was depleting the crappie population? Imagine if such stocking was done by a non-governmental entity! Steve, you'd be finding muskie heads in your mailbox and that's not what we want. my two cents, m | |
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Location: Greenfield, WI | I am a 20 year member of the Milwaukee Chapter of Muskies Inc. For the most part we have been just that which you have suggested. The Wisconsin DNR limits where we can do our stocking. But in general, we have acted on our own as if we were a selfcontained entity.
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Location: Eau Claire, WI | Steve,
I voted yes but I need to clarify...
#1 Stocking should be the responsibility of the state. If they have a bad year organizations such as M.I. or others can step in to help purchase fish from a fish farm, etc. Many organizations do this now.
#2 Just my personal opinion here... I don't view lack of fish as the largest threat to our resource...Muskies or all species..
What I do view as a threat is decreasing water quality, decreasing vegitation/habitat, increased exotic species infiltration, etc.
Muskies, Bass, Bluegills, Walleye, or Suckers... None of them can live in a sewer (not your kind of sewer ...:) )
Organizations such as DU, Rocky Mountain Elk, etc. focus a large amount of their resources on habitat improvement, protection, and restoration. They carry political clout with local and state politicians and they have the financial resources to back it up.
The effort on Five Mile Point is a classic example of how this can work in the fishing world.
There are lakes I currently guide on that 20 years ago I could see bottom in 10+ feet of water. Today I can only see maybe 3 feet. Massive algae blooms and countless numbers of "summer homes" with manacured/fertilized lawns mowed tight to the shoreline, etc.etc.etc.
The last thing I want to see is more government regulation, however self government doesn't work without self discipline... Time for all sportsman, property owners, etc. to act a little more responsible towards the gift God has given us to enjoy...
For almost 10 years I worked as a scuba diving instructor on inland waters in northern WI. At times it almost brought me to tears to see how much crap has been thrown on the bottom of our lakes. We would hold trash/treasure hunts and with a half dozen or so divers we could fill a small dumpster within a few hours.
Don't get me wrong...stocking fish is important, educating the fishing public on proper catch/release is important, involving our youth is extremely important...
Sometimes I just wonder if we aren't missing to see the forest despite the trees...?
Man... I am way to intense for a Friday afternoon... Time to go home and have a beer.
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | In MN it's moot since the DNR won't allow any additional stocking to any lake other then White Bear. If you want to say stock 100 fish to Vermillion, the DNR would stock 100 less. The DNR won't stock over their plan unless they have an banner year.
Currently the TC chapter is stocking White Bear along with Paul Hartmans group. We will be adding a way for people to donate towards stocking if they would like to very soon so if someone wanted to contribute they could w/o being a member.
So my answer is no. I'm already helping the lake I can help in MN. | |
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| Good thought,not realistic for a big club.0723 | |
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| Treats is right about Minnesota. The DNR will not allow any more stocking than they have planned.
The only thing we can hope for in the future is the DNR to allow us to stock a lake or a few lakes with private fish.
It is done on my home lake of White Bear, I don't know why the DNR won't allow it elsewhere. I understand the costs of researching survival, etc. But I would think if they are getting free fish to stock, they could find a couple lakes and research them
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| A little off topic but the people who set up the online chats here,,,A great one to get would be Rod Ramsell of the minnesota dnr muskie program,,we could hear all the details of their stocking strategy and how much the cost of research and developement for a new lake would be | |
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Location: Sheboygan Falls, WI | I know what you're saying, but it just isn't possible for long term musky sustainability. In Sheboygan County we have a conservation association that is made up of representatives of most of our local conservation clubs. The idea is that we must be concerned with all aspects of conservation, not tunnel visioned in our quest for musky waters. Muskies Inc. donated money for restoration of a trout stream (it will never see a muskie), something like 23 clubs got together and raised about 1700 pheasants that were rounded up, split among the groups, and planted all over the county. All of our groups donate what we can to each other and pool our resources because we can accomplish so much more as an association than we can as a single group.
We use a business whose sole purpose is to raise muskies, it is called a private hatchery. They raise the fish and deliver them to us, but that is the easy part. It is our job to educate people so they know the difference between the facts on muskies and the foolish fears of what they will do to a lake. This means reaching out to lake associations, local groups, and walleye clubs. We need to teach people how to handle a muskie. Most importantly, we need to recruit young people into the muskie fishing world. Without them, muskie stocking will be a thing of the past. Stocking muskies is, by its very nature, political. To take the politics out is setting yourself up for failure. The only way an organization like you are describing would work is if they raised muskies and then ended up selling them to the organizations (clubs and dnr's) that are willing to do the political bull for you. That would make you a private fish hatchery, and we already have them. You are basically proposing to sell the muskies and end up with no profit at the end of the year, presumably undercutting the private firms that already provide this service. | |
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Location: Valentine, NE USA | Steve- I like the idea but, as nobel as the cause would be, I just don't think it would pan out. Personally, I'd like to see MI dollars go to help States, like ours, that have a very small Musky popluation. Expand the range. There are quite a few Musky guys out here, but we either end up traveling clear across the state, or going to a neighboring state, or farther, to fish.... Ya'll got it good!  To complicate matters, the local rearing station (the only one in the state that rears Muskies) doesn't want ANY help. I've tried everything I can think of to volunteer my time, etc., Nada. We need help!!!!!! By the way - Jason will have your wht/wht Magnum in Milwaukee. Thanks again! Brian | |
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