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Location: Hayward, Wisconsin | https://thefishingwire.com/new-boat-engine-cutoff-switch-law-goes-in... |
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Location: MN | Something I found in Bing search.
The policy defines “federally maintained navigable channels and waterways” as “those waters that are maintained under the authorities and responsibilities of the USACE,” including “USACE authorized projects (e.g., specified harbors, canals, turning basins, anchorage and mooring areas, and waterways) that are designed, constructed, and maintained by the USACE for use by commercial and/or recreational navigational traffic.
I would imagine the Mississippi and other rivers would be included as well as Great lakes. Not sure what else would be included. |
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Location: E. Tenn | Born - 3/16/2021 8:55 PM
Not sure what else would be included.
Pretty much all the dammed river systems, notably in the Southern half of Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, (including Cave Run, Barren R. Green R. Kentucky R.) Missouri, Iowa, the Cumberland R. side of the TVA system, and many more...
Here's their website to surf through
usace.army.mil
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| Pepper - 3/16/2021 9:18 AM
What constitutes a federally navigaable waterway?
I'm pretty sure this is the same as the waterways that required the six pack for guides a few years ago. You would be surprised at all the waters this includes. |
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Location: E. Tenn | TCESOX - 3/16/2021 11:52 PM
Pepper - 3/16/2021 9:18 AM
What constitutes a federally navigaable waterway?
I'm pretty sure this is the same as the waterways that required the six pack for guides a few years ago. You would be surprised at all the waters this includes.
Exactly.. |
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Location: oswego, il | Is this a.big deal? Something we should all be doing anyway. |
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| ToddM - 3/16/2021 10:59 PM
Is this a.big deal? Something we should all be doing anyway.
It would make solo trolling a bit of a challenge |
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Location: WI | From the article it sounds like trolling doesn’t apply. I don’t get the point of a law for this. People know what they are and what they do and will choose to wear them or not. Is the coast guard going to start pulling boats on plane over to check if they are wearing it? Just want another excuse to inspect a vessel? |
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| ToddM - 3/16/2021 10:59 PM
Is this a.big deal? Something we should all be doing anyway.
I have to admit I was hit and miss about using the cut off lanyard until 2 years ago. I and my brother in law were in my shop fixing a pump I use to take water from the lake to water my lawn. My wife came flying up from the lake to tell us two guys had been thrown from their boat and one was hanging on to the side while the boat spun in circles. I was able to use my pontoon boat to get between him and the motor and get the boat going straight. He popped free and we managed to kill the motor. He was exhausted. Saw online this is called a death spiral. Sooner or later, you lose your grip and get run over by your own boat.
I went to the sports shop and bought carabiner clips for the kill switch on the motors on my fishing boat to replace the cheap clip that comes with it. And I use it every time. If two guys that each weighed north of 250 could get tossed overboard by a 25 horse motor, I figure my 90hp tiller could toss me even easier. Three small fishing boats had stopped and tried to figure out how to help but really not much they could do. The pontoon was the ticket and I got lucky. |
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Location: oswego, il | raftman - 3/17/2021 7:16 AM
From the article it sounds like trolling doesn’t apply. I don’t get the point of a law for this. People know what they are and what they do and will choose to wear them or not. Is the coast guard going to start pulling boats on plane over to check if they are wearing it? Just want another excuse to inspect a vessel?
I see it no different than a seat belt law. If anything it's denying Darwin. |
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Location: Walker, MN | I make mine a little longer, hooking two together. And I put a cheap carabiner on instead of that ridiculous small silver clip. |
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Location: WI | ToddM - 3/17/2021 9:11 AM
raftman - 3/17/2021 7:16 AM
From the article it sounds like trolling doesn’t apply. I don’t get the point of a law for this. People know what they are and what they do and will choose to wear them or not. Is the coast guard going to start pulling boats on plane over to check if they are wearing it? Just want another excuse to inspect a vessel?
I see it no different than a seat belt law. If anything it's denying Darwin.
I get the thought but it’s apples and oranges to me. Car accidents are a frequent occurrence and there probably a measurable benefit for seat belts. Incidents like NO8 references where a cutoff switch would have helped are not. This is micromanaging in my opinion. Also not all that enforceable. |
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| Masqui-ninja - 3/17/2021 9:23 AM
I make mine a little longer, hooking two together. And I put a cheap carabiner on instead of that ridiculous small silver clip.
I think that is a reason a lot of folks don't use. The stupid clip is indeed ridiculous. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | I see this as benign encouragement to use a safety device that has been installed on most power boats for years. The goal obviously is to avoid a having boat under power but not under control. When you think about it, it's not only about the safety of the pilot but of the passengers and other boaters.
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| I feel as if enforcement will be low but penalties when your out of control boat slams around in the Marina for 30 minutes will be high as well as not protest-able |
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Location: Walker, MN | Fishysam - 3/17/2021 9:00 PM
I feel as if enforcement will be low but penalties when your out of control boat slams around in the Marina for 30 minutes will be high as well as not protest-able
Right. I'm guessing an insurance company will just laugh at someone who wasn't wearing it, won't cover anything. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Last Saturday I'm flying out of the harbor on Lake Michigan. 1-2s, no problem. Then I look down and the water temps are 39.8 and I'm by myself. Slowed down, clipped in, felt better.
Not to sound like an old man, we should be wearing these all the time. |
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Location: oswego, il | I don't know if anyone seen the latest bass bubba video where he loses control in someone's wake and hits the brush pile but some people really need this law, they only know one spot on the ego lever. |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | North of 8 - 3/17/2021 2:55 PM
Masqui-ninja - 3/17/2021 9:23 AM
I make mine a little longer, hooking two together. And I put a cheap carabiner on instead of that ridiculous small silver clip.
I think that is a reason a lot of folks don't use. The stupid clip is indeed ridiculous.
I replaced mine last year with an OEM model, and that ridiculous clip had been replaced with a larger, more reasonable to use plastic clip. I use mine in rough conditions but the smarter move is to just clip in all the time.
I wonder how many will claim the requirement to wear the clip violates their "rights"... |
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| dfkiii - 3/18/2021 3:29 PM
North of 8 - 3/17/2021 2:55 PM
Masqui-ninja - 3/17/2021 9:23 AM
I make mine a little longer, hooking two together. And I put a cheap carabiner on instead of that ridiculous small silver clip.
I think that is a reason a lot of folks don't use. The stupid clip is indeed ridiculous.
I replaced mine last year with an OEM model, and that ridiculous clip had been replaced with a larger, more reasonable to use plastic clip. I use mine in rough conditions but the smarter move is to just clip in all the time.
I wonder how many will claim the requirement to wear the clip violates their "rights"...
After the dealing with the guys who got tossed from their boat, I developed a new routine: Start my tiller outboard, hit the power switch, turn on my GPS/SI unit, put on my self inflating pfd. Then I clip the kill switch to my pfd on the provided d-ring and I am ready to go. Takes about a minute. I found I had to build a routine after so many years of not using the kill switch lanyard or I would sometimes forget despite the best of intentions. |
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Location: NE Ohio | i use mine for trolling and with the big motor. i'm by myself about 75% of the time so i developed a simple system for trolling out of the helm seat. i always wear an inflatable vest. so i attached a long length (just long enough to reach the back rod positions) of parachute chord to a carabiner to clip to my vest and the other end with a loop to attach to the supplied chord. i move about freely inside the boat adjusting lines and catching fish. if i should happen to go overboard the line would become tight and shut the motor off. peace of mind becomes a big deal as i get older because i want to get A LOT older.
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | pklingen - 3/18/2021 5:35 PM
peace of mind becomes a big deal as i get older because i want to get A LOT older.
Amen to that ! |
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Location: WI | Personally I think a simple PSA would have been sufficient in bringing about this type of come to Jesus moment with everybody and their cut off switches. |
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| No biggie. Your still just as free as ever, to not use it. Probably never get cited for it since enforcement would be difficult. As mentioned earlier, this just gives the insurance companies and by proxy, all of us who pay premiums, cover from having to pay for other peoples carelessness. |
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Location: deephaven mn | its not that big off a deal, just like wearing a mask, somehow a few feel it's a loss of liberty.
In both cases i could save your life, but more importantly it could save someone else's
there are several videos out there and more stories that don't have videos |
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| kap - 3/19/2021 8:07 AM
its not that big off a deal, just like wearing a mask, somehow a few feel it's a loss of liberty.
In both cases i could save your life, but more importantly it could save someone else's
there are several videos out there and more stories that don't have videos
Sadly, there is an entire class of citizens today that are very focused on rights, but forget that the flip side of rights and freedoms is responsibility. |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | North of 8 - 3/19/2021 9:50 AM
kap - 3/19/2021 8:07 AM
its not that big off a deal, just like wearing a mask, somehow a few feel it's a loss of liberty.
In both cases i could save your life, but more importantly it could save someone else's
there are several videos out there and more stories that don't have videos
Sadly, there is an entire class of citizens today that are very focused on rights, but forget that the flip side of rights and freedoms is responsibility.
Very true, but all that responsibility infringes on their rights  |
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Location: Northern Illinois | dfkiii - 3/19/2021 10:00 AM
North of 8 - 3/19/2021 9:50 AM
kap - 3/19/2021 8:07 AM
its not that big off a deal, just like wearing a mask, somehow a few feel it's a loss of liberty.
In both cases i could save your life, but more importantly it could save someone else's
there are several videos out there and more stories that don't have videos
Sadly, there is an entire class of citizens today that are very focused on rights, but forget that the flip side of rights and freedoms is responsibility.
Very true, but all that responsibility infringes on their rights ;- )
This is not really a "social dilemma" situation. This is more of individual rights vs. the rights of the collective. |
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Location: oswego, il | RLSea - 3/19/2021 8:37 PM
dfkiii - 3/19/2021 10:00 AM
North of 8 - 3/19/2021 9:50 AM
kap - 3/19/2021 8:07 AM
its not that big off a deal, just like wearing a mask, somehow a few feel it's a loss of liberty.
In both cases i could save your life, but more importantly it could save someone else's
there are several videos out there and more stories that don't have videos
Sadly, there is an entire class of citizens today that are very focused on rights, but forget that the flip side of rights and freedoms is responsibility.
Very true, but all that responsibility infringes on their rights ;- )
This is not really a "social dilemma" situation. This is more of individual rights vs. the rights of the collective.
I would say that Dan's comment reflected your statement but that's for a different floor in this building. |
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Location: E. Tenn | I don't know why this is an issue.. I'm gonna keep hooking up to my kill switch to stay in reach of my boat should either the unthinkable happen, or I do something incredibly stupid.. |
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Location: WI | ToddM - 3/19/2021 9:30 PM
RLSea - 3/19/2021 8:37 PM
dfkiii - 3/19/2021 10:00 AM
North of 8 - 3/19/2021 9:50 AM
kap - 3/19/2021 8:07 AM
its not that big off a deal, just like wearing a mask, somehow a few feel it's a loss of liberty.
In both cases i could save your life, but more importantly it could save someone else's
there are several videos out there and more stories that don't have videos
Sadly, there is an entire class of citizens today that are very focused on rights, but forget that the flip side of rights and freedoms is responsibility.
Very true, but all that responsibility infringes on their rights ;- )
This is not really a "social dilemma" situation. This is more of individual rights vs. the rights of the collective.
I would say that Dan's comment reflected your statement but that's for a different floor in this building.
The rights I’m more concerned about impacting when creating these types of laws that fix a problem that doesn’t exist are the rights of those of people who may fit a certain profile that maybe law enforcement doesn’t have cause for hassling until the driver does something that might indicate maybe he’s not attached to his kill switch. Is that happening on Green Bay or Winnebago? Probably not. Federal waters in more diverse areas? Wouldn’t rule it out. I'd like to think no one is ever stopped on suspicion of not being connected to the cut off switch but I’m guessing people will be.
I’m attached to it more often than not and do think it should be worn btw. Just think a law is overkill. |
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| I am guessing one of the reasons the law went into effect was at the urging of insurance companies. As has been pointed out, when you codify something like this, you put the onus for compliance on the boat operator. Failure to do so may void any insurance coverage, freeing the insurance company of big payouts. On Winnebago, in the last decade, there was an instance of a driver getting thrown from one of those cigarette type boats. They can hit 90mph and are up to 30' long. As I recall, the boat continued on and piled up on some rocks, but it could just as easily struck other boats. That happens now, at least the insurance company might not be on the hook for damage to the runaway boat. |
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NEW BOAT ENGINE CUTOFF SWITCH LAW GOES INTO EFFECT APRIL 1