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| Since it is winternet and also why not, how many fish(es) would you need to catch in a day to feel equal one 45" musky in the net?
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| 100 16"+ walleyes
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 1 crappie like this for any muskie I have ever caught. Any pike over 30". Any bass over 20". Any walleye over 25".
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Location: Chisholm, MN | There is not 1 freshwater fish that I’d like to catch more than a muskie. |
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Location: West Central WI | 50 bass wouldn't come close to one muskie. You can't compare any numbers of other fish to the satisfaction I get from one good muskie. |
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Location: oswego, il | Any gamefish that is good size. I value them all. Two years ago this March I netted a 50lb flathead for my buddy who was casting a shad wrap. The day before I caught a 27" walleye. I value the pike over 30" I've caught even big panfish, salmon and trout on lake michigan. I think I am doing myself a big favor by not narrowing my fishing focus to just one fish let alone just one way to fish for them. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | ToddM - 2/13/2021 8:23 PM
Any gamefish that is good size. I value them all. Two years ago this March I netted a 50lb flathead for my buddy who was casting a shad wrap. The day before I caught a 27" walleye. I value the pike over 30" I've caught even big panfish, salmon and trout on lake michigan. I think I am doing myself a big favor by not narrowing my fishing focus to just one fish let alone just one way to fish for them.
I value all fish, but I’ve caught most of them and a lot of big ones. 42.5” pike, big bass, 30+” walleyes, steelhead, lake trout, crappies, bluegills, sturgeon. They were all fun at the time. After all that, the only ones that excite me are muskies. |
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| It's hard to compare due to the excitement of actually seeing the muskie eat your lure, but my biggest fish of other species were nothing to shake a stuck at:
Walleye: 29.5" and 30", a few minutes apart, both on the surface
SMB: 20.5"
LMB: 21.5"
Crappie: 17" - I honestly had no idea they could get that big. Had I known at the time, I might not have eaten it...
Pike: 41"
I'd get a replica of all of those if I thought there was no chance of beating those numbers.
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Location: oswego, il | Here are some. Could not go back and edit my previous post. The bass is 21.5, walleye is 27, catfish is 47.5 and the weight formula is 50.4lbs and the gps pic is the right of that fish.
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Location: Walker, MN | ^That Flathead would do it for me ^ |
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| When I’m targeting muskie, most other things that you catch accidentally don’t excite me much..I remember one day we caught 4 pike between 42-45” on a muskie trip and at the time it felt like a failure because we wanted skies...but I fish for a lot of species, it’s the hunt, I want to catch what I’m targeting...a day of big pike or wipers on the fly, big catfish, certainly a couple of 100+ pound sturgeon (I’d like to do that again).. is more fun than one 45” muskie...I’ve caught quite a few that size that don’t even get a picture....but 52”+ muskies I wouldn’t trade those days for anything freshwater, it’s just a different adrenaline rush vs. other big fish... especially 17” crappies  |
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| I fish Green Bay alot. Nothing compares to 1 musky but ... a 32" walleye, 40" northern and a 5lb smallie would all come close |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | IAJustin - 2/14/2021 8:54 AM
When I’m targeting muskie, most other things that you catch accidentally don’t excite me much..I remember one day we caught 4 pike between 42-45” on a muskie trip and at the time it felt like a failure because we wanted skies...but I fish for a lot of species, it’s the hunt, I want to catch what I’m targeting...a day of big pike or wipers on the fly, big catfish, certainly a couple of 100+ pound sturgeon (I’d like to do that again).. is more fun than one 45” muskie...I’ve caught quite a few that size that don’t even get a picture....but 52”+ muskies I wouldn’t trade those days for anything freshwater, it’s just a different adrenaline rush vs. other big fish... especially 17” crappies :)
Equivalency. A 17" crappie locally is a unicorn. So is a 53" plus muskie. Now that I have caught both locally I'll freely admit that finding and catching 'the one' of the biggest slabs in any lake is just as difficult (actually, some years harder) as busting the low 50's muskie fishing. I don't fish for kind of one big fish anymore, I fish for many. Got my big muskie years ago, and probably will not get one any bigger, so I muskie fish for fun now, which means (for me) it's totally OK not to catch one. That used to bother me. I wouldn't 'trade' my big muskie days either, but I was fishing them then, and fishing crappies when the 3.5 pounder came.
It isn't just the fish itself that gets me going, it's setting a goal, figuring out how to make it happen and getting it done. There's a ton of crappie anglers out there, but the cream rises quickly to the top and those who are really good at the sport attract as much attention in that much larger community as the top muskie guys do in ours. Ego has a lot to do with most fishemen doing what they do, including me. |
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| I’m with ya Steve about setting goals...I enjoy the hunt no matter what the species, spend quite a few days the last 5 years with ultralights, 1/16 oz jigs and a kayak, and get some darn big crappies off the beaten path...for me the lows are lower and the highs are higher when the goal is big muskies |
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| sworrall - 2/14/2021 12:09 PM
It isn't just the fish itself that gets me going, it's setting a goal, figuring out how to make it happen and getting it done. There's a ton of crappie anglers out there, but the cream rises quickly to the top and those who are really good at the sport attract as much attention in that much larger community as the top muskie guys do in ours. Ego has a lot to do with most fishemen doing what they do, including me.
That's where I've come to now. Last year I set a goal to learn one of my walleye lakes better to consistently hit the #'s everyday I go and for the most part I did. I learned a couple new things(locations and techniques) and they worked. As the year went on and I talked to other anglers and the local bait shop owner, barely any of the other anglers fish the lake the way I started to last year.
I'm going to take this same approach with muskies this year and see what happens.
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Location: North Central IL USA | I get excited about anything that pulls on my rod! |
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Location: WI | Just putting the boat in the water these days is the equivalent of catching a 45” Muskie for me. |
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| Its odd how we as humans classify stuff...in my small brain i consider musky between 38-47" all the same now. I am still more than happy to get one of those per day. Will always be thrilled to catch one.
For all the other fish it comes down to putting together a plan and executing that plan for me. If i do that then i am also thrilled with the day. I have been fortunate to catch large sizes of most species i fish for so a PB type fish would just be icing.
I am better now at just going out and fishing for what is biting. If i see a school of walleyes or bass off of a drop off while musky fishing, im probably trying to catch them now, where in the past id have been very singular focused. |
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| Never thought of it this way. I just look at it as, did I have fun? One of the best days I had last year had nothing to do with musky. Early in May my son and his wife brought our new grandson up for a visit. Both of them were teaching virtually and even had groceries delivered so they would feel safe in visiting. My son and I went out to look for crappies in the shallow water. We ended up catching a releasing dozens of crappies and nice sized gills. I often fish the area for crappie in the spring with jig and minnow. He wanted to try worms for gills. To my surprise, he caught a bunch of big gills. Bobbers and panfish. We had a blast. We both were laughing and giving each other grief when we caught a little one. Reminded me of when we would go camping when he was three or four years old and catch blue gills from shore. He laughed the same way back then. Kept enough for a fish fry that night, then a campfire with an adult beveridge. |
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Location: deephaven mn | its not about numbers for me, used to target walleyes but i'd rather catch a 20 pound fish than a 2 pound fish.
45" Muskie buzz lasts about a week. 50" Muskie buzz lasts a lifetime. Same can be said about any other species if its a true trophy fish 30"+ walleye 16"+ crappie 12" sunfish 200 pound tarpon ect. all good and gets adrenalin flowing !!!!
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Location: Eagan, MN | It’s an interesting question and everyone’s answer will be different. Besides a musky, I’ve only had one other fish that made my knees knock. I caught a 22 lb (est), 33 inch brown trout fishing with JLong while using an ultralight rod and 2” jerk bait in skinny ultraclear water. I’d say that experience was equal to any experience that I’ve had catching large muskies. That includes a 57 inch long musky I caught and released. While they didn’t make my knees knock at the time of the catch like a big musky, I feel just as much satisfaction - the buzz if you will - over some very special fish of other species. I lucked out and caught two 17” inch pre-spawn crappies only 45 minutes apart a couple springs ago. That remains one of my greatest fishing accomplishments and a source of great internal pride. I feel that same buzz about the 10 pound largemouth I caught on Lake Fork using a buzzbait...and the 30 1/2 inch walleye I caught off my dock...and the various 5+ pound smallmouth caught over the years. What’s funny is I never intentionally target pike and have caught many large ones - a couple that were about 45 inches - but feel no pride in that accomplishment...though probably should. Same with bluegills. I just don’t place as much value on those species as some others. Strange what the human mind can do! |
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Location: Selkirk, Manitoba | ^ Agree with above sentiments. Seeing the bulge of a topwater follow or a fish tailing behind a bait is what does it for me - it is kind of like being in the bear woods unarmed in a sense, gives me that feeling of danger (and being alive) when transposed with that lure. When I actually catch a muskie I am elated but the hit wears off fairly quick. I do love catching big fish of any species really, but muskies are more challenging than almost everything else and their following fearlessness makes them pretty unique.
I will say that bouncing pool to pool for Atlantic Salmon on Cape Breton pretty cool and close second (would do again as soon as I can) and chasing marlin in Cabo/Huatulco also has that hunt/chase aspect that make you want to get out and do it again even when things don't go your way.
I do love catching everything though and a lot of it now is who you are with and where you are at when you are doing it rather than size of fish.
Anyone fish for Inconnu? That's one predator would like to chase some day.
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| Just wondering, no one on the thread mentioned sturgeon. With the spearing season starting this past weekend on the Winnebago system, anyone do that and value it more than musky? DNR estimated 4,500 shanties out for the weekend. |
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| If im strictly Muskie fishing I dont think any fish for me would make up for not catching a Muskie. However I love to get out with my Dad a couple times a year and put him on Walleye. Its equally as exciting to me if you can find the Walleye.
I also love getting out with my Son and chasing some Smallmouth. Watching him catch 4 and 5 pound fish is again equally as satisfying to getting a Muskie in the net.
When Im Muskie fishing for me its all about finding the Muskie. I just dont get the same satisfaction from catching other species if Im strictly Muskie fishing. Caught some pretty big Bass, Pike and Walleye Muskie fishing and for me its always a buzzkill when I realize its not what I wanted to be. |
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Location: Walker, MN | For me it's:
1) Putting my kids on a good fish or two of any species
2) Putting clients on muskies
3) Personal muskie catches
Nothing comes close at this point in time to my kids' and clients' catches. I would like to catch a true 50# er and maybe an Arapiema some day. There was a long period of time where my personal catches outweighed any relationship or responsibility. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | North of 8 - 2/15/2021 4:27 PM
Just wondering, no one on the thread mentioned sturgeon. With the spearing season starting this past weekend on the Winnebago system, anyone do that and value it more than musky? DNR estimated 4,500 shanties out for the weekend.
I mentioned them. They are a very interesting species and obviously are fun to catch. But just a totally different attitude. The spearing thing really confuses me. In Minnesota they are very protected. You can kill some but it’s not popular at all. I think sturgeon spearing is barbaric. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Some people think that muskie fishing is 'barbaric'. Others feel that way about deer hunting. Fortunately, those who practice the sport know what the overall benefits are.
Sturgeon spearing on Winnebago is a long-standing established tradition and is strictly regulated by the DNR. I bet there isn't one couple, family, or group of guys on Winnebago this week too concerned about anyone else's opinion, either yours or mine.
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| The sturgeon spearing on the Winnebago system is more related to deer hunting than to traditional fishing. It is highly regulated. It has a nominal 16 day season but that can be cut to just a few days if the quota is reached. The quota consists of predetermined number of fish, with mature females, immature females and males all counted individually by DNR personnel. The fees for licenses go back into sturgeon management, building spawning areas many miles away from where spearing takes place. The Winnebago lake sturgeon population is the largest in the world and its come back is considered one of the greatest successes in natural resource management. I have never speared but have spent many hours checking out the fish where they spawn upriver, walking on pathways paid for by the license fees. This year the DNR added huge boulders along a half mile section of the Wolf west of New London to better protect the eggs from predators. Contractors donated a lot of heavy equipment time to the project. If it works out, I will again go there to check out the fish when they spawn.
Spearing is controversial, no doubt. But, there is also no doubt that the sturgeon's story in Wisconsin would be much different without all the effort put in by the guys who spear, over the decades, to insure this ancient fish thrives. They have been the driving force to protect the resource.
One of the cool things that happens every spring when they are spawning in the river is the small army of retired wardens, fisheries people, law enforcement who volunteer to spend nights on the river, concealed in the bushes watching for poachers and staying in contact with the active duty wardens, deputies. A lot of hours in crap conditions, protecting the fish. Some of these guys are well into their seventies and are out laying in the bushes in March and April in the cold night air with a pair of binoculars and a radio or phone. Kind of a fraternity. |
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Location: Walker, MN | I know they are fun on a rod and reel...fight much harder (especially longer) than any muskie. With all due respect, why no conversation about conservation of this great species here? Maybe we can at least entertain an evolution toward CPR?
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| Masqui-ninja - 2/15/2021 9:39 PM
I know they are fun on a rod and reel...fight much harder (especially longer) than any muskie.
Yes, if I was to book a dream trip for a single species of fish it would be in the northwest where they catch white sturgeon weighing up to 300 or more pounds on rod and reel in rivers. If I understand correctly, they cannot even bring into the boat to unhook, must be released in the water. Have been on a raft on the Wolf river fishing for walleye when one was hooked on a lure. Snapped the 30# braid without trying. Those rafts will put out a variety of lengths of fiberglass cane poles with crank baits in the water. As many as 12 poles. The current moves the lures and walleyes hit them. The nightmare scenario is for a big sturgeon coming up/down the river to get tangled in the lines and take a dozen rods with them. My brother in laws keep a sharp knife on shelf outside just for the purpose of cutting the line if a sturgeon gets tangled. Two of my nephews were fishing walleye with jig and minnow on Easter morning one year on the Wolf when a big sturgeon hit. By some miracle they got it to the boat, and keeping it in the river they took their jig out of its mouth, along with 8 other jigs. That one apparently had a taste for walleye minnow. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | sworrall - 2/15/2021 9:12 PM
Some people think that muskie fishing is 'barbaric'. Others feel that way about deer hunting. Fortunately, those who practice the sport know what the overall benefits are.
Sturgeon spearing on Winnebago is a long-standing established tradition and is strictly regulated by the DNR. I bet there isn't one couple, family, or group of guys on Winnebago this week too concerned about anyone else's opinion, either yours or mine.
https://www.fws.gov/midwest/sturgeon/documents/bruch-winnebago-mgmt....
You’re definitely right, I’m certain they don’t care. But coming from northern Minnesota where sturgeon were almost nonexistent and brought back to a very healthy population, they are held in high regard and killing one is almost as taboo as killing a muskie. To me, killing an animal that’s older than I am just doesn’t feel right. |
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| The Winnebago system is the anomaly. It is completely unusual in the sturgeon world. It can tolerate what is allowed. All other places, sturgeon need to be treated like we treat muskies. The Rainy, St. Croix, and Menomonee, could not tolerate much harvest. They are coming back and becoming excellent fisheries, but cannot tolerate the kind of harvest that Winnebago can. |
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| TCESOX - 2/15/2021 11:21 PM
The Winnebago system is the anomaly. It is completely unusual in the sturgeon world. It can tolerate what is allowed. All other places, sturgeon need to be treated like we treat muskies. The Rainy, St. Croix, and Menomonee, could not tolerate much harvest. They are coming back and becoming excellent fisheries, but cannot tolerate the kind of harvest that Winnebago can.
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| Masqui-ninja - 2/15/2021 9:39 PM
I know they are fun on a rod and reel...fight much harder (especially longer) than any muskie. With all due respect, why no conversation about conservation of this great species here? Maybe we can at least entertain an evolution toward CPR?
One thing that puzzled me when I lived in Fond du Lac (which means 'foot of the lake'), was how there was virtually no enthusiasm for sport fishing sturgeon on the 'Bago system with a catch and release standard. They are caught by walleye fisherman but if they do get them to the boat, they can't bring them onboard, etc. Pliers to remove hook and that is it. Unlike the Rainy, the fish are not in the river for long, they migrate out of Winnebago early, normally under the ice, spawn right after ice out and then return to the lakes. Maybe that would make them very difficult to fish, I don't know. Just know that when I would mention hook and line fishing for them, not much of a positive response. |
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| Not much talk about sturgeon in sturgeon bay, but my wife hooked a ~5 footer and then handed me the rod. 3 hours later we had it boatside, snapped a pic of it in the water and removed the hook. One of the coolest fishing experiences Ive ever had even more so than the 55 and 54 inch musky Ive caught since. A a younger person I was a trophy chaser (in all aspects) as an "mature" adult Ive found Im more for the experience. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I haven't seen much interest from the 'Bago system anglers for hook and line sturgeon at all. There's no open season for them hook and line (even special cpr like early bass) and no pressure to open one.
They are a blast to catch through the ice, got this one in '15 on a light walleye stick.
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Location: ITALY | obviously I don't have muskies and I can talk about pike .... for me, catching a big pike has no comparison if I rely on satisfaction or adrenaline and I consider big pike a pike over 43 "... when random catches happen to me looking for the pike they must be large to compensate ... then in that case I am quite satisfied ... for example the last random catch was a 6.10 "over 100lb sturgeon caught while fishing for pike with a jig and craw
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| sworrall - 2/16/2021 11:50 AM
I haven't seen much interest from the 'Bago system anglers for hook and line sturgeon at all. There's no open season for them hook and line (even special cpr like early bass ) and no pressure to open one.
They are a blast to catch through the ice, got this one in '15 on a light walleye stick.
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That is an amazing video! Crazy to see it under the ice through multiple holes in the ice.
I know that can legally be taken through the ice on Keweenaw Bay outside Baraga, guys fish for them in over 100' feet of water but don't know much more than that. Don't think they use a light walleye jig pole. |
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Location: Selkirk, Manitoba | Cicciospin - 2/16/2021 12:07 PM obviously I don't have muskies and I can talk about pike .... for me, catching a big pike has no comparison if I rely on satisfaction or adrenaline and I consider big pike a pike over 43 "... when random catches happen to me looking for the pike they must be large to compensate ... then in that case I am quite satisfied ... for example the last random catch was a 6.10 "over 100lb sturgeon caught while fishing for pike with a jig and craw [img]https://i.postimg.cc/jCpVbzXC/IMG-20210213-WA0062.jpg[/img]
Cicciospin, I'm curious as to where you are catching your pike. Are they all northern pike (Esox lucius), or are you getting any Southern Pike too (Esox cisalpinus)? Pretty unique spotting on some of those.
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| North of 8 - 2/15/2021 9:54 PM
Masqui-ninja - 2/15/2021 9:39 PM
I know they are fun on a rod and reel...fight much harder (especially longer) than any muskie.
Yes, if I was to book a dream trip for a single species of fish it would be in the northwest where they catch white sturgeon weighing up to 300 or more pounds on rod and reel in rivers. If I understand correctly, they cannot even bring into the boat to unhook, must be released in the water.
Correct you can’t take them out of the water, they pull hard...this is the guy if you want to fulfill your dream: https://nwsturgeonadventures.com |
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| IAJustin - 2/16/2021 3:20 PM
North of 8 - 2/15/2021 9:54 PM
Masqui-ninja - 2/15/2021 9:39 PM
I know they are fun on a rod and reel...fight much harder (especially longer) than any muskie.
Yes, if I was to book a dream trip for a single species of fish it would be in the northwest where they catch white sturgeon weighing up to 300 or more pounds on rod and reel in rivers. If I understand correctly, they cannot even bring into the boat to unhook, must be released in the water.
Correct you can’t take them out of the water, they pull hard...this is the guy if you want to fulfill your dream: https://nwsturgeonadventures.com
Thanks! Did not not know you could keep smaller ones on the Columbia, so I was confused when I went to the website and saw photo of people holding small sturgeon on the boat. My wife has an old friend who lives very close to Portland who has stayed with us while visiting WI, so while not this year, maybe next year that would be trip for us to take! Very reasonable rates as well.
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| My brother lives in Portland, Charlie is a humble guy, the pictures he showed me of recent 300-600 pound fish make me wonder why he doesn’t post more big fish photos? I think many just know he’s the best... we caught 4 between 150-200 lbs on the Willamette ( high water on Columbia) in a half day , pulled hooks on two others... I was there first week July several years ago, stunning scenery to boot. He definitely knows his craft!
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| IAJustin - 2/16/2021 3:39 PM
My brother lives in Portland, Charlie is a humble guy, the pictures he showed me of recent 300-600 pound fish make me wonder why he doesn’t post more big fish photos? I think many just know he’s the best... we caught 4 between 150-200 lbs on the Willamette ( high water on Columbia) in a half day , pulled hooks on two others... I was there first week July several years ago, stunning scenery to boot. He definitely knows his craft!
OK, this is officially on my bucket list! Can only imagine what a 200 pound sturgeon is like on rod and reel. My son had a 50-60 pounder grab his walleye minnow when we were fishing from a raft on the Wolf, it bent his 7' spinning rod in half before the line snapped. Not sure it even knew it was hooked. We all held our breath as it headed up stream between the dozen lures hanging in the water and the barrels supporting the raft. Thankfully, never got close to the lures. |
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Location: ITALY | Angling Oracle - 2/16/2021 10:12 PM
Cicciospin - 2/16/2021 12:07 PM obviously I don't have muskies and I can talk about pike .... for me, catching a big pike has no comparison if I rely on satisfaction or adrenaline and I consider big pike a pike over 43 "... when random catches happen to me looking for the pike they must be large to compensate ... then in that case I am quite satisfied ... for example the last random catch was a 6.10 "over 100lb sturgeon caught while fishing for pike with a jig and craw [img]https://i.postimg.cc/jCpVbzXC/IMG-20210213-WA0062.jpg[/img]Cicciospin, I'm curious as to where you are catching your pike. Are they all northern pike (Esox lucius ), or are you getting any Southern Pike too (Esox cisalpinus )? Pretty unique spotting on some of those.
I fish in the great lakes of northern Italy (Maggiore lake, Garda lake) the larger ones are all nothern pike, while the smaller ones are the Southern Pike ...
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[img]https://i.postimg.cc/LnMxsDb2/IMG-20171106-WA0051-1.jpg[/img]
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| This is a tough topic for me to answer. I've never been as excited as I get catching any musky. Not sure why. I guess a good haul of panfish when you have no fish would come close? |
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I fish in the great lakes of northern Italy (Maggiore lake, Garda lake) the larger ones are all nothern pike, while the smaller ones are the Southern Pike ...
For ex:
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/LnMxsDb2/IMG-20171106-WA0051-1.jpg[/img]
That's a super neat looking pike. My in-laws live in southern Germany and pike there are pretty much identical to ours. Tiny little lakes (Waldsee and Federsee - just north of Bodensee - aka Lake Constance) - surprising the size of pike they can get, particularly out of the Waldsee. They have wels cats there too but don't get as big as the introduced southern Spain ones.
The sturgeon you caught I assume a rare adriatic sturgeon? River monsters (Jeremy Wade) did it pretty cool show on the recovery effort.
As far as unique trophies, the Marble Trout you have there in northern Italy would be something special for the fly fishing crowd (which when I am over there, I would like to do in some of the German rivers - particularly the Danube and Iller). Getting a licence and place to go not easy though.
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Location: ITALY | Angling Oracle - 2/17/2021 5:32 PM
I fish in the great lakes of northern Italy (Maggiore lake, Garda lake) the larger ones are all nothern pike, while the smaller ones are the Southern Pike ...
For ex:
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/LnMxsDb2/IMG-20171106-WA0051-1.jpg[/img]
That's a super neat looking pike. My in-laws live in southern Germany and pike there are pretty much identical to ours. Tiny little lakes (Waldsee and Federsee - just north of Bodensee - aka Lake Constance) - surprising the size of pike they can get, particularly out of the Waldsee. They have wels cats there too but don't get as big as the introduced southern Spain ones.
The sturgeon you caught I assume a rare adriatic sturgeon? River monsters (Jeremy Wade) did it pretty cool show on the recovery effort.
As far as unique trophies, the Marble Trout you have there in northern Italy would be something special for the fly fishing crowd (which when I am over there, I would like to do in some of the German rivers - particularly the Danube and Iller). Getting a licence and place to go not easy though.
hi, the sturgeon I took it in a private sport fishing reserve ... the sturgeon in Italy in the big rivers is very rare and fishing is prohibited ... it happens to catch them by fishing the wels ... the only places where you can catch sturgeons in Italy is precisely in private fishing reserves ... in my case, however, it was a casual capture .. the marble trout in Italy has many fans especially in northern Italy and Slovenia ... unfortunately, however, the catches of giant specimens are very very rare compared to 20/30 years ago due to poaching but above all to the almost disappearance of the breeding areas
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| Italy has another really cool trout called a Pucchi trout, a brown with huge red or orange spots, they look photoshopped. I've fished with Cicciospin and was fortunately lucky enough to catch a small southern pike and several northerns including a 41" northern that had a huge girth, it was built like a super heavy muskie. He's also caught big wels catfish and zander in his pursuit of pike and really knows his stuff. |
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Location: Selkirk, Manitoba | true tiger tamer - 2/17/2021 1:16 PM
Italy has another really cool trout called a Pucchi trout, a brown with huge red or orange spots, they look photoshopped. I've fished with Cicciospin and was fortunately lucky enough to catch a small southern pike and several northerns including a 41" northern that had a huge girth, it was built like a super heavy muskie. He's also caught big wels catfish and zander in his pursuit of pike and really knows his stuff.
Yeah, the Puccinis are awesome looking fish. Wish I could do a fish/hunt trip over in Europe but mostly visiting, sightseeing and imbibing in food and drink when over there, and typically only two or three weeks at a time. Having a fisheries background of course very interested in all the native fish whenever I go over there. Bucket list of species would include the wels, but also European grayling and actually barbels.
Of course the Huchen (Danube salmon), is one that probably many haven't heard of - likely both you guys have and kind of Europe's Taimen equivalent. Surprised J. Wade hasn't done a show on it, even if he doesn't catch any would up it's conservation status.
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31988139
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Location: ITALY | this is the 41" caught by Danny in Italy ... (seeing Danny with that pike in his hand really thrilled me)
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/vgR9qw1J/IMG-20190504-110612.jpg[/img]
about the barbels I caught them in the river Po with rapala countdown of 3 and 4 "... they are what we call Spanish barbels ... much bigger than the native barbel and extremely combative ... wels are now found in almost all of our waters and I usually like to do night fishing trips to this super predator using topwaters dedicated to musky such as toprider, creepers or homemade wtd |
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Location: Selkirk, Manitoba | Cicciospin - 2/17/2021 4:38 PM
this is the 41" caught by Danny in Italy ... (seeing Danny with that pike in his hand really thrilled me )
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/vgR9qw1J/IMG-20190504-110612.jpg[/img]
about the barbels I caught them in the river Po with rapala countdown of 3 and 4 "... they are what we call Spanish barbels ... much bigger than the native barbel and extremely combative ... wels are now found in almost all of our waters and I usually like to do night fishing trips to this super predator using topwaters dedicated to musky such as toprider, creepers or homemade wtd
Nice Pike.
That's unfortunate that all that stuff is being introduced there, probably by those tourists from the north as per what happened in Spain (or perhaps folks trying to replicate the fishing tourist influx that they have in Spain).
Wasn't thinking Spanish barbels but the clearwater common ones that you can get in streams on the fly - I guess none of them are that handsome looking but those spanish ones very carp like- I see they get pretty big too. The fact they are taking lures like that doesn't bode well for the native species. Likewise with introduced Wels. Cool to get them topwater like that though.
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| I think Wade has done a show about huchen the European version of a taimen. They are very rare, I use to correspond with a Polish angler who fished often that had only caught one huchen in his entire life. When he caught it he said he was treated as a celebrity. Jeremy's show I believe involved a private grower who released some into the wild regularly much like the sturgeon guy did. He believed most were being eaten by wels. |
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Location: ITALY | Angling Oracle - 2/18/2021 3:41 PM
Cicciospin - 2/17/2021 4:38 PM
this is the 41" caught by Danny in Italy ... (seeing Danny with that pike in his hand really thrilled me )
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/vgR9qw1J/IMG-20190504-110612.jpg[/img]
about the barbels I caught them in the river Po with rapala countdown of 3 and 4 "... they are what we call Spanish barbels ... much bigger than the native barbel and extremely combative ... wels are now found in almost all of our waters and I usually like to do night fishing trips to this super predator using topwaters dedicated to musky such as toprider, creepers or homemade wtd
Nice Pike.
That's unfortunate that all that stuff is being introduced there, probably by those tourists from the north as per what happened in Spain (or perhaps folks trying to replicate the fishing tourist influx that they have in Spain ).
Wasn't thinking Spanish barbels but the clearwater common ones that you can get in streams on the fly - I guess none of them are that handsome looking but those spanish ones very carp like- I see they get pretty big too. The fact they are taking lures like that doesn't bode well for the native species. Likewise with introduced Wels. Cool to get them topwater like that though.
the wels in Italy has been present for many years, it was introduced accidentally and over time it spread ... as regards the presence of native species in the Po, for the most part they are all alien species especially in the stretch downstream of the Ticino river since the pollution rate is quite high ... in this area up to the mouth mainly allochthonous species dominate ... in the stretch upstream of the Ticino there are still many native species |
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Location: Selkirk, Manitoba | true tiger tamer - 2/18/2021 11:03 AM
I think Wade has done a show about huchen the European version of a taimen. They are very rare, I use to correspond with a Polish angler who fished often that had only caught one huchen in his entire life. When he caught it he said he was treated as a celebrity. Jeremy's show I believe involved a private grower who released some into the wild regularly much like the sturgeon guy did. He believed most were being eaten by wels.
Yes, now I see he did in season one which not sure why I've never seen. Will have to check it out. The Danube I'm familiar with is by Ulm where my wife's mom lives - the Iller comes in there and both of the rivers look full of fish: trout/grayling and barbels especially obviously in the fast clear, Iller, and likely pike some warmer water species in the Danube. |
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