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Location: Rhinelander. | My interview with BOb Meshikomer went well and here are a few of the highlights from it including news he broke in the interview.
There are 14 spots left open at this time.
There will be 40 to 45 judge boats and a support staff to run the
tournament of about 100 people.
He stated that this is the most talented field of musky anglers for
a tournament that he has seen. Big sticks galore and there is no way
to pick a favorite. Just Too many good anglers fishing in it.
He also stated that he feels this is a big step forward and someday
not to far off he sees a tournament where first place can be
$250,000.
Now the breaking news!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Simply fishing muskie classic 2005.
It appears at this time it will be in the
Eagle River, wisconsin area.
When my website is done I will have the complete interview on it for you to hear.
Thanks for your questions guys..........Don Pfeiffer (Pfeiff) |
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| Sweet. I knew it was a go this year in MN after a bunch of hoops had to be jumped through for the MN DNR.
Interesting that it will be in Wisconsin next year.
I wonder if that was in the plans to move it around or just way too difficult working with the MN DNR and anti-tournament anglers here in MN, so basically was forced to move it to somewhere easier to deal with.
From my experiences the past 2 years at the Eagle River PMTT, they love tournaments up there and put on a great show. |
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| Please post a link when you are done. I would like to hear what Bob has to say.
Lance
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| I finally had to become a member to put this out for consideration for this tournament and also the PMTT in Eagle River. If the directors of these two tourneys are concerned about the quality of the tourney, the impact to the species and the impact on other water enthusiasts, they would include both parts of the chain, the three lakes and the eagle river sections and keep the number of boats the same. Wow, would that make for an enjoyable tourney. low impact, competitive, large body of water etc. I understand the administrative problems but if we want tourneys to stay around these are the types of things that will prove we do care about the resource and others who are trying to use the water. The PMTT Eagle River is too crowded for the fishermen and too intrusive for other users. With 75 boats on ER Chain and 75 on 3 Lakes, people would hardly be able to tell a tourney was going on. Just my thoughts |
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| It doesn't say eagle river it says the Eagle River area.
Bob's event only has 100 boats. I'd like to see it on 3 lakes chain alone. Enough events are held on Eagle river already.
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| Did he mention what form of communication there will be to the judge boats,,,Marine band, cell phone,etc,,,I know he was very much against marine band in tourneys |
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Location: Rhinelander. | communication will be cell phones but says all should have marine radios as a back up.
your right to have both chains ope for a tournament would be great but youd need a ton of judge boats.
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Location: princeton,mn. | Maybe I am missing something here? Why is he against marine bands? Wouldnt they be better than cell phones? |
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| Bob M claims that there were "radio chasers" on Pewaukee a couple years back when he was fishing the championship for PMTT.
Apparently he caught a fish or two right away in the morning and claims all of a sudden there were 20 boats following him around because they heard him radio the judge boat.
I have been told his story has been greatly exaggerated, but that is why he is against marine bands.
I wasn't there so I don't know exactly what happened. This info is directly from Bob M himself as I heard him discussing it at an MI meeting a couple years back. |
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Location: Chicago, Beverly | If they are going cell phone, marine band or just those regular motorola gmrs/frs type radios they should have several signal repeaters to boost signal strength. Especially if the phones end up being nextels. Bob fished the Il DNR Directors tourney a couple times, that tourney only used frs or gmrs radios. |
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| I can tell you from first hand experience this story was not exxagerated!My partner Jim Corbett and myself were the first boat at the spot Bob was second,wiley was trolling creek channel another boat was on the inside weed edge.Bob popped two fish right by us that is how it goes sometimes in the first half hour.I called BobM`s fish in because he was having radio trouble.This was a very low pressure spot that my partner and I had been working for months,some locals knew it thou.Back to story I figured PMTT Championship shootout with BOB M what a dream come true.By nine am there were 28 boats on this spot casters by bob trollers by wiley who also nailed two early.The Pmtt corrected this problem with multiple stations the next year.What Bob M said was true I was there and witnessed this also.Money sometimes brings out the worst in people.0723 Bill Ramsey
Edited by 0723 1/23/2004 1:16 PM
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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | That was as bad as it can get. The spot was big enough to hold 3 or 4 boats under tight conditions. After a couple radio calls I watched 4 boats pick up and head down to the spot.
The two local teams that knew it the best decided to leave it alone for the first hour or two and then slide down and pick out a fish or two mid afternoon. What a mistake that was.
Bill & Roy, Mark & I botched that call. We should have just wend down there and stuck the fish we knew were in that spot. After I watched all the boats working that spot we choose to stay out of the zoo.
I don't think it has ever been that bad on the trail again. Shelyville is the only other tourny that was like that. First day at Shelbyville was crowded but the second day was unbelievable. I counted 43 boats that I could see at one time. Thats way worse than the time at Pewaukee.
The multi channel marine radio helps but if you leave the radio on scan you can pick it all up.
Its all about respect. If a team has a spot locked up and fishing, its their spot till they are done or move off enough for the next boat to slip in.
Most of the teams in the PMTT are very respectfull to each other. The Pewaukee thing was down rite bad sportsmanship by some of the teams.
Beleave me I would have loved to go down to the spot on the spot and stick a fish. But that was not a option due to the boats around that spot when I was ready to try it. Thats fishing !!! Don't save anything for later....Thats the lesson I learned that day.
I caught 1 fish and lost a low 40's fish in that tourny. A far cry from getting into the top money.
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| G-man I am afraid of that also,and no painting of pictures just the truth.Word gets out if the same people keep doing it and they back off, for most musky fishing is there job.It is much better than it was.0723 Bill Ramsey
Edited by 0723 1/23/2004 2:26 PM
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Location: Chicago, Beverly | Mike, when you fished Shelbyville in the PMTT was almost everyone down in Lithia? That seemed to be the pattern there when I fished the Directors Tourney. However almost all the boats were there before the first radio call ever went out... |
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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | Gary, you have to remember out of all the boats in these tournament almost all of them are very respectfull to others. At least that was the way it way last year on the PMTT.
A few bad apples can spoil a pile of good ones if not taken care of.
I think the PMTT and WMT are only getting better. Greed will always be a part of big money fishing. I think most of it is guys that are new to it. Once they have seen the respect that is shared around the tournament circuit it gets better.
I know that last year the PMTT was not as bad with the radio jumping.
Respect is earned, most people don't know the teams they fish against. After a few years you get to know most of them and then the respect thing settles in.
I waited for a hour to get in on a weed bed on Minona last year. When I saw a opening I motored over to it and asked the team going the other way if I could fish behind them. They said thanks for asking, go ahead and fish. Thats the way it should be. If he was not done with the spot I would have been ok with a answer of " give me one more pass and you can have it".
Oh ya.........this is Bob M thread. sorry
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| Mt partner Matt and I have had the same problem through the years with radio chasers. I can say however there seems to be less of it in the past several years. I think Tim's constant reminders at the meetings helps.
I still can't understand why people need their radios on all the time to begin with. We never turn ours on untill we need to call a judge. In fact neither one of us are at all interested in what other people are doing. We have our plan, we work it and don't need the distraction of other teams. |
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Location: Winneconne, WI | 0723 - no one will be around you if your partner keeps throwing those ugly looking rats.
Brad
ps: It was good to see you at the show. |
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| A friend of mine fished a tournament in the TC area 4 or 5 years ago. I wont mention any names ,but a nice sparkling boat came by them cut in front of them and started fishing the spot they were working. The guy said something to him,(though his is not the most tactfull person), his reply was "dont you know who i am" they then shared some not very kind words. Do some people have more rights than others because of who they are? I dont think so.
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| Gary,Roscoe P I would love to talk you someday but something tells me I already know you.0723 |
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Location: N Illinois | I'm sorry, but the PMTT still needs work. The Eagle River PMTT is a prime example. Radio chasers arent the main problem, it's lack of space. Too many boats in a small area. Boats on top of boats all day, with cutoffs the norm. We got cut off and pushed out of our first spot last year, 7:15 am, by a team that popped a 38 incher from it. It is ridiculous. Cave Run can have major cut off problems also. It will continue to be a problem as long as tourny promoters pick small venues and refuse to inforce the rules.The PMTT has rules about how close boats can get to one another and how participants behave on the water, but they aren't inforced and the teams know it. I hope Bob M has the nads to inforce his rules, for that is what is needed for people to behave. Bob M has the chance to take the next step in tourny fishing. I hope it works out.
Edited by musky99 1/23/2004 10:49 PM
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Location: Rhinelander. | I think you'll always have some problems with people on your spot.Its just the way things are. I do think The P.M.T.T has improved and I think cell phones should be used where they can be. The problem is not usually the size of the lake but the angler themselves. You have to respect other anglers space. It all comes around, if you honor others hopefully they will you. The other way around it and you don't like this but is transport, then know one hears anything. I will say 150 boats on some water is alot of boats. The other thing is is if your that unhappy you don't have to fish the tournaments. There will will always be a few guys that will never be happy with anything and we all know that. As anglers we have to police our own actions on the water and it should be fine. Common sense should prevail ((((should)))).
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Location: Mallard Island Lake Vermilion MN | Good stuff!
NEW change to Rule #3 as of this week.
No longer able to scout the lake or fish or prefish up to the 14th.
NO prefishing from 8th to 12th.
One day to scout ONLY if you choose on the 13th.
NO angling the 14th, then the Tounrey gets going the 15th.
Should really even things up a bunch, but this may change again also by September.
Watch out for them Deadheads, Reefs & Boulders in high winds!
Should be fun.
Tom Wehler
www.muskytomsguideservice.com |
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| Is Bob fishing this tournament? Also, is he organizing it? If yes to both, he should remove himself from the entrants to remove any doubts about improprieties. What's others feeleings? |
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Location: wyoming mn | I myself fished the pmtt this year for the first time. There is guys that respect others and there is a few bad apples. 98% I would share a spot with but we as fisherman don't own any spots we just come to learn them. Some of the sour apples think just because they seen fish prefishing they are intitled to that spot. With all the sticks out there, believe me 20 boats at least fished that spot and will return some time during the tour.. I agree with the radio off till you need it for two reasons: you'll never be called a radio chaser and you want get %$&&*@ off if your're not producing and some others are. Just my to since from someone that loves tour.. |
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Location: Rhinelander, WI | I was reading through the rules for Bob’s tourney last night and came across the following.
(15) Buoy Use: Any angling team marking a spot with a marker buoy ( buoy must have the boat owners name, address, and phone number marked permanently on the buoy) will be given a 50 yard radius of protection of said buoy, as long as, the contestants boat stays within the protected 50 yard radius. Leaving the protected area will result in nullification the buoy's intent. A Team may have only one buoy in use at any time.
I think this is a great idea. I can see enforcement being a problem, but it allows a team to get on a specific spot and work it to there hearts content until there done without worry about someone coming in behind them and pushing them off the spot.
I only fish two tourney a year and there not the big tour events, but I could see a rule like this helping, especially considering how I like to fish during a tourney.
Nail A Pig!
Mike
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Hi guys- the solution is pretty simple. We all know how crappy cell service can be, and kind of hard to enforce the marine radio off unless you need a judge boat rule- Answer- Go with GPS locators for each boat. Tournament officials have continuous access to your location. Some services even have paging- f. ex. on star. Some can pinpoint your location on a aerial photo- the possibilities are pretty good that anyone running a tournament could feel pretty secure in maintaining the integrity of the tourney and being able to direct a judge boat to your location. Issue each boat a coded/numbered GPS locator- simple. Communications from tournament officials w/ judge boats could be on confidential marine frequency. Al Warner "All Water is Zalt Water" http://www.zaltnad.com
Edited by ESOX Maniac 1/29/2004 9:27 AM
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Location: Bagley,MN 56621 | MRoberts, yes I too did like the idea of buoys after I signed up and read the rules.....however, getting input from a co-worker who has fished a ton of bass tourneys with the same format says it's not as good as would seem.
If you happen to be on a spot, someone can roar up throw out a buoy and claim it (solution, make sure to have yours out first)
It's he said/she said when it comes down to proving that someone casted well into your area that was marked by your buoy.
Thers always someone who will weasel around a rule...sour apples everywhere, but I do think this could be a good idea, esp on Vermillion when it seems you are fishing "cluster type" structures rather than cruising the shorelines and weedlines. |
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Interview with Bob M,