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Location: Central Pennsylvania | So, I am fairly new to the hobby, tell me about your jig and creature preferences along with how you fish them and on what kind of rod and reel :).
Edit: I´m mostly fishing in a somewhat shallow, rocky river. However I am open to all suggestions |
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Location: Central Pennsylvania | I have read the article a few times which was what made me want to try it for the local tiger musky. I tried a bass stand up jig and got immediate interest from a nice sized tiger. However i don´t really have a good spinning rod for musky other than a medium heavy 7 foot penn fierce 2 with a lure wt of 3/4 to 2 oz, and i believe it is a fast action. Would it be sufficient? |
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Location: SE, WI. | Pa Tigers n trout - 10/27/2020 11:24 AM I have read the article a few times which was what made me want to try it for the local tiger musky. I tried a bass stand up jig and got immediate interest from a nice sized tiger. However i don´t really have a good spinning rod for musky other than a medium heavy 7 foot penn fierce 2 with a lure wt of 3/4 to 2 oz, and i believe it is a fast action. Would it be sufficient? That action is fine for creature fishing. I usually suggest a Bass flipping stick, 3/4-2 oz. 7’6” up to 8’6”. Here R some of my Custom pours. The top 2 plastics R Fandango's. They R My best Tiger Producing Creature. The Frogs and Paddle Tails R my best fish Producers For me. JD
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Location: Central Pennsylvania | Do you have better luck with fully skirted jigs than with undressed ones? And what off the shelf creatures are the best? |
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Location: Central Pennsylvania | jdsplasher - 10/27/2020 12:59 PM
Pa Tigers n trout - 10/27/2020 11:24 AM I have read the article a few times which was what made me want to try it for the local tiger musky. I tried a bass stand up jig and got immediate interest from a nice sized tiger. However i don´t really have a good spinning rod for musky other than a medium heavy 7 foot penn fierce 2 with a lure wt of 3/4 to 2 oz, and i believe it is a fast action. Would it be sufficient? That action is fine for creature fishing. I usually suggest a Bass flipping stick, 3/4-2 oz. 7’6” up to 8’6”. You don’t need spinning gear! But I do like a higher ratio baitcaster. I use Mostly Shimano Curado’s. Or any upscale ratio reels. Here R some of my Custom pours. The top 2 plastics R Fandango's. They R My best Tiger Producing Creature. The Frogs and Paddle Tails R my best fish Producers For My Area. JD
I just now considered this but i was planning on getting a tranx 300 high speed and a st croix medium heavy rod with a 3/4 to 3 rating. Would this work for creatures even with braid main line or should i just stick to the spinning setup i mentioned? Also, is there anywhere i can buy those baits already made? |
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Location: SE, WI. | Pa Tigers n trout - 10/27/2020 2:10 PM Do you have better luck with fully skirted jigs than with undressed ones? And what off the shelf creatures are the best? I like the skirting , especially in the spring to slow drop speed. + weeds aren’t as thick yet. Thicker weeds, then naked creature. U need to adapt to conditions and terrain. Many times I add tinsel, or silicone strands through creature, for more natural looking action. JD |
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Location: SE, WI. | Pa Tigers n trout - 10/27/2020 3:55 PM jdsplasher - 10/27/2020 12:59 PM Pa Tigers n trout - 10/27/2020 11:24 AM I have read the article a few times which was what made me want to try it for the local tiger musky. I tried a bass stand up jig and got immediate interest from a nice sized tiger. However i don´t really have a good spinning rod for musky other than a medium heavy 7 foot penn fierce 2 with a lure wt of 3/4 to 2 oz, and i believe it is a fast action. Would it be sufficient? That action is fine for creature fishing. I usually suggest a Bass flipping stick, 3/4-2 oz. 7’6” up to 8’6”. Here R some of my Custom pours. The top 2 plastics R Fandango's. They R My best Tiger Producing Creature. The Frogs and Paddle Tails R my best fish Producers For My Area. JD I just now considered this but i was planning on getting a tranx 300 high speed and a st croix medium heavy rod with a 3/4 to 3 rating. Would this work for creatures even with braid main line or should i just stick to the spinning setup i mentioned? Also, is there anywhere i can buy those baits already made? I prefer a bait casting Rod. Way better leverage for hook sets ! Heavier bait-casting Rod are tough to throw light jigs And you want some bend to hold fish, especially if your using a braid. I use both braids, and a 17-20 mono. Mono for cold weather as braids freeze in cold temps. JD |
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Location: Central Pennsylvania | jdsplasher - 10/27/2020 6:18 PM
Pa Tigers n trout - 10/27/2020 3:55 PM jdsplasher - 10/27/2020 12:59 PM Pa Tigers n trout - 10/27/2020 11:24 AM I have read the article a few times which was what made me want to try it for the local tiger musky. I tried a bass stand up jig and got immediate interest from a nice sized tiger. However i don´t really have a good spinning rod for musky other than a medium heavy 7 foot penn fierce 2 with a lure wt of 3/4 to 2 oz, and i believe it is a fast action. Would it be sufficient? That action is fine for creature fishing. I usually suggest a Bass flipping stick, 3/4-2 oz. 7’6” up to 8’6”. You don’t need spinning gear! But I do like a higher ratio baitcaster. I use Mostly Shimano Curado’s. Or any upscale ratio reels. Here R some of my Custom pours. The top 2 plastics R Fandango's. They R My best Tiger Producing Creature. The Frogs and Paddle Tails R my best fish Producers For My Area. JD I just now considered this but i was planning on getting a tranx 300 high speed and a st croix medium heavy rod with a 3/4 to 3 rating. Would this work for creatures even with braid main line or should i just stick to the spinning setup i mentioned? Also, is there anywhere i can buy those baits already made? I prefer a bait casting Rod. Way better leverage for hook sets ! Heavier bait-casting Rod are tough to throw light jigs And you want some bend to hold fish, especially if your using a braid. I use both braids, and a 17-20 mono. Mono for cold weather as braids freeze in cold temps. 65 Lb braids help the beginner detect pickups. Also braids will also slow drop speed If needed. JD
Does anyone make that frog esque plastic? Or anything similar |
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Location: SE, WI. | Brendan, sent U a Pm on the frogs! Just look around. There are several bass plastics out there that have split tail frogs in their Lineup! JD |
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Location: Central Pennsylvania | The closest thing i found in size and shape was a UK exclusive Spro Flapper tail that was a little over 7 inches, but sadly it is not available in the United States. |
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Location: SE, WI. | Brendan; go ahead and send me your address via Pm. Will ship you a couple frog styles samples to Test run... JD |
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| The spinning rod should work fine. I do well on zoom brushhawgs fished on a owner sledhead jig of a fairly light weight. I use either a titanium or heavy flouro leader. Braid is the best choice as hits are often very light ( feels like a small bass picking it up until you set the hook, then all hell breaks loose). My biggest fish on the above mention setup is a 47.5 inch purebred, but I've caught a fair amount of fish over 40 inches on them. My best color by far has been black with red glitter. Good luck. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | OK, finally got a few minutes to add my thoughts.
I use the tail style of the creature and the jig weight to control fall speed. I want 1' per second which is plenty slow enough even in 3' of water and fast enough to fish in 20'.
A 6" Fliptail Creature (twister type ribbed tail) in a 3/8 ounce VS stand-up jig gives me exactly that. To get 1' per second out of a 6" Creature with a 1/4 ounce VS stand-up jig (for heavier weed) I use a Fliptail Lizard with the legs reversed mated with a cut down 6" Reaper, the actual 'original' Creature. The Super Creature (big paddletail) was designed to use on a 1 ounce swimmer my Dad designed or a 5/8 ounce VS stand up, again, 1' per second drop time with more bulk than a Fliptail. Why 1' per second?
I always know exactly how much upward travel I am acquiring on the retrieve if the depth is pretty level, and know the amount of drop-off as I work the jig down a break. I also know exactly how deep it is where my jig lands on a cast. Perfect lure control all the time. It also tells me right away if the jig is picked up or stops on a weed on the fall to early. Hook set time either way.
Why the spinning rod? It's the reel I can use (1), and the ability to 'pop' the lure out of weeds with the flick of my wrist and keep the rod, reel, and line always ready for a hook set since the hits almost always are on the fall (2).
In order to really make the jig POP upward to trigger strikes on the fall, I need a lot of line to move in a short period of time. I don't use the rod at all because I need to always have the rod tip in hook set position, just use the reel to move the jig. A large spool 7:1 or faster ultra high speed spinning reel picks up more line on a single revolution than a casting reel small enough to throw a lure this light in the same gear ratio. I can get a climb of 3 to 4' fast. Far as the hook set, in seminars I used to do I'd use a 7' medium heavy rod and spinning reel with 17# mono to literally snap a metal kitchen chair clean off it's feet on the stage about a half casting distance away on a hook set without hardly moving my arms (learned that in a priceless lesson at a Merc National a very long time ago from Shag Shahid , a legendary trick caster). Plenty of hook set to hook up a big muskie. Also, I am left handed, so the handle on the spinning reel is on the right side like a right handed casting reel. That allows me to drop my index finger to the line between retrieves, the slightest change in resistance is instantly detected, and the hook set is faster. That's probably why I miss so many hits on superline, literally hitting the fish too soon.
For walleye and bass early and late season in shallow water, I like to downsize to a 1/8 ounce jig and a 4" Baby Creature (twister style tail) 'No fish yellow' and motor oil are magic. I bought a thousand of each this Spring. I order them in a tougher plastic than normal, and customize the colors to match the old Stembridge Products lures.
I sometimes use casting tackle with the heavy 1.5 ounce swimmer and the reaper/lizard hybrid or Super creature combo on the stones these days. The new 30 sized reels are fast enough with a swimmer and the lure heavy enough to cast as far as I want to.
Always super glue the tail to the jig. If it breaks free, set it aside to re-glue later as a loose tail will cause the jig to sink way too slow. If fishing pike water, I'll have 6 rigged up and ready. I always wanted to build a 9" Creature exactly the proportions of the Fliptail. I think it would be killer with a 1.25 ounce swimmer, and appeal to muskie guys who think a big lure is required.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | And the same techniques transferred beautifully to trophy crappie fishing. Jigs and plastics accounted for a number of 2 pound plus Wisco fish for me this year, and a beauty of a 3.5 pound class slab this early fall. Same exact technique, just smaller jigs. Tungsten is magic until you need a big hook on a tiny jig, I'm using large hook series Kenders tungsten and VS for the big hook jigs.
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