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| Has anyone that had a Canadian trip cancelled requested a refund of deposit or did you roll it to next year. Those that did request a refund did u get a refund? |
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Location: Ashland WI | I was able to roll to next year.
I didn't even ask about a refund. Wasn't interested knowing the guide was likely having difficulties with work as it was. |
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Location: Cedarburg, WI. | Rolled to next year |
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| Rolled to next year also. |
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| I had a relatively large deposit on my June trip. I told them to keep $300 (unclear if we would be back in 2021) and refund the balance which they did. The Sept trip we just rolled over. Note; my bank charged a $35 fee to process a Canadian Check which then took 14 days to clear. |
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| Rolled to next year. Hoping deposits helps them survive to next year. If we lose the $1000 bucks oh well. At least we felt it may help them get if that’s what most people did. |
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| Rolled it over to 2021 |
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Location: Northern Illinois | 2 trips - rolled both over. |
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| I took a different approach. In the middle of the closed border I booked a couple of October days with an independent Canadian guide to help him out this year. Paid my trip in full. My trip will roll over to next year. I had little hope of fishing with him this year but just wanted to help. I have never fished with him but had meet him at a lodge. I wasn’t his client but he took the time to share some recent patterns to help with me with my current trip. First class individual! |
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| Boy oh boy, now I really feel like an great person. It would seem I’m the only person out there who took a refund. Yeah, in my case it was the University of Esox, and not a Canada resort, but when offered, I said, “Yeah, send the money.” They did. My only defense is a real question of my ability to attend next year, or even get near a musky anywhere for that matter. I will say, however, now that my spot is open, that school is the single best musky experience I have ever had, already done it three times. Hat’s off to those who let the cash ride, shame on me! |
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| Don’t beat yourself up Junkman. I’m in a similar situation about next year and due to health concerns I inquired about a refund. No response from the camp. |
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| Rolled over to next year. I was all set to go to LOTW University of Esox musky school last year, but I got sick and had to cancel. I rolled my 2019 deposit to 2020, and now I have rolled it again to 2021. I sure want to go catch a Canadian musky in 2021!
Edited by 60503 9/17/2020 9:23 AM
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Location: Honor, MI | As long as people in the U.S. keep acting like idiots you can forget about Canada in 2021 as well. |
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| 60503 - 9/17/2020 9:21 AM
Rolled over to next year. I was all set to go to LOTW University of Esox musky school last year, but I got sick and had to cancel. I rolled my 2019 deposit to 2020, and now I have rolled it again to 2021. I sure want to go catch a Canadian musky in 2021!
I would say you deserve to get the award for the school's biggest ski next year! |
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| We had 6 of us booked on Cedar Lake, and were told (a couple months ago), there would be no refunds (no problem), but also NO rolling over of deposits to 2021. Search around, you'll find out who that was.
Needless to say ... we're booked elsewhere for 2021. |
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| I’m guessing a lot of resort owners are just trying to scrape by and pay their bills with deposits from this year. Leaving no money left for refunds.
I’ve been fortunate to still have my normal income during the VID. So if my deposit helps the resort keep hanging on I’m fine with it. If they go out of business and my deposit is lost I have peace knowing I tried helping someone out during tough times.
Midge |
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| But offering no refund or rollover? That’s not good for business. You can kiss all your repeat customers goodbye. Which means they probably will be out of business next summer anyways. |
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| You should name that cedar lake resort - they don’t deserve our business. |
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| Smeds - 9/18/2020 3:06 PM
We had 6 of us booked on Cedar Lake, and were told (a couple months ago), there would be no refunds (no problem), but also NO rolling over of deposits to 2021. Search around, you'll find out who that was.
Needless to say ... we're booked elsewhere for 2021.
If you used a credit card to make your deposit, call them and dispute the charge. They should work with you to make it right and get your deposit back. After all, you are their customer and they want to keep your business too. It’s worth a try, good luck! |
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| Landry - 9/18/2020 9:51 PM
You should name that cedar lake resort - they don’t deserve our business.
Anybody who has been on any fishing sites on the web in the last two months knows who it is. It's a business choice they made, same as the business choice each of us makes when we book a trip.
Posting their name just gives them more free publicity. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Ok, how hard has covid hit these types of business's in Canada ?
I would think that a bunch of them has already closed for good.
With that said do you guys know which ones are done ?
What about next Summer ? Will things be open up ? |
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| It appears a vaccine will be available by year end, maybe sooner. If the new administration lives up to 1/2 their promises the vaccine should be available to the masses by March or April. |
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| It is unlikely there will be a meaningful number of people vaccinated by spring given the shear number of vaccines needed and their unique distribution challenges such as needing to be stored below -70 degrees. Additionally, the vaccine requires a series of doses (2) over 3 weeks...and the effectiveness assumes that 70% or more of the population receive it, which is far above the percentage that say they will receive it. Now, that being said, I suspect that regardless of the progress, the boarder will be opened by summer given the more important advancements in therapeutics and the economic cost of keeping it closed for longer than that. |
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| Pepper - 11/10/2020 2:42 PM
It appears a vaccine will be available by year end, maybe sooner. If the new administration lives up to 1/2 their promises the vaccine should be available to the masses by March or April.
This is a very optimistic view. I work in this field and would say for the average American large-scale availability will be end of 2021 at the earliest, but most likely early 2022. Vaccines will likely be available for health care workers and high-risk individuals started early/mid 2021. This can change, I'm just giving a breakdown of what I see. |
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| This thing is so contagious that if it takes that long for a vaccine everyone will already have caught it by then. |
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| I asked my financial advisor to recommend stock in companies that make freezers that can maintain temp of minus 103 F, since most doctors and pharmacies don't have them and that is what the vaccine needs to be held at. No response yet |
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Location: Ontario | Pepper - 11/10/2020 3:42 PM
It appears a vaccine will be available by year end, maybe sooner. If the new administration lives up to 1/2 their promises the vaccine should be available to the masses by March or April.
Where people get this kind of info is beyond me.
Late 2021 at best |
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Location: Ontario | bbeaupre - 11/10/2020 5:34 PM
Pepper - 11/10/2020 2:42 PM
It appears a vaccine will be available by year end, maybe sooner. If the new administration lives up to 1/2 their promises the vaccine should be available to the masses by March or April.
This is a very optimistic view. I work in this field and would say for the average American large-scale availability will be end of 2021 at the earliest, but most likely early 2022. Vaccines will likely be available for health care workers and high-risk individuals started early/mid 2021. This can change, I'm just giving a breakdown of what I see.
Exactly! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine |
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Have seen this and read a couple other stories abouts how a vaccine is tested. Really admire the scientists involved. The kind of painstaking work that goes into development and testing is so daunting. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Landry - 9/18/2020 9:51 PM
You should name that cedar lake resort - they don’t deserve our business.
You can find it...Lois Lane was there one time. I never knew Superman in his disguised form would not roll over deposits at his remotely located camp. I did see on his slip for deposit that it says in the bottom fine print "deposits are non-refundable." Suffice it to say if they cannot be rolled over, they should specify this as well..
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Clark's resort, eh?
Sounds like they are counting on either going out of business or when things open up, full camps everywhere like MN this year. I know after seeing this I'd not want to stay there. |
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Location: WI | North of 8 - 11/10/2020 5:02 PM
I asked my financial advisor to recommend stock in companies that make freezers that can maintain temp of minus 103 F, since most doctors and pharmacies don't have them and that is what the vaccine needs to be held at. No response yet
Dry ice may be another good investment. I believe they are saying 90% effective in the trials but with these storage requirements and 2 shots required I will be curious how effective it will be away from the trials. |
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| raftman - 11/11/2020 9:20 PM
North of 8 - 11/10/2020 5:02 PM
I asked my financial advisor to recommend stock in companies that make freezers that can maintain temp of minus 103 F, since most doctors and pharmacies don't have them and that is what the vaccine needs to be held at. No response yet
Dry ice may be another good investment. I believe they are saying 90% effective in the trials but with these storage requirements and 2 shots required I will be curious how effective it will be away from the trials.
Yes, dry ice is going to be high demand as well.
I do think it will be effective when given to the general public. Listened to a lengthy interview about the steps they took to make sure volunteers looked like the general public, right down to getting the right percentage of minorities, people with co-morbidities like diabetes, high blood pressure, obesity, advanced age, etc. I guess the question will be if people will be willing to get the vaccine. The flu kills a lot of elderly folks every year, yet many do get the flu shot, even though most Medicare supplement plans pay for the high dose vaccine given those of us over 65. I am sure they will stress when people get the first dose that if they don't get the second it will not be effective. Seems that if people commit to the first dose, they will get the second, at least in most cases. I know I will. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | You are correct my friend!!
Was over on Walleyecentral (Yes...I apologize for going wayard from here) and one guy lost $1800 as he paid the deposits for his group of 9 I believe...
I can see not refunding....but at least roll it over for the following year.
My gut says they'll be out of business as well...
Steve
Edited by VMS 11/12/2020 7:34 AM
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | My money in Vegas is on having a vaccine by Christmas 2020... probably buy a few more Guns with the winnings .... Bwaahaa,haa...
Soooo, are all of the resorts up north still running ? or are they just waiting this thing out ? |
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| Do you think fishing will be amazing once it opens with the border shut down as long as it has? Guessing most of the pressure is from US fisherman. |
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| I saw an article in the paper that said the border may not reopen til 2022. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Possible link to the article Pepper? I'd like to read it...
Thanks!! |
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| https://www.postbulletin.com/business/tourism/6776959-U.S.-Canadian-... |
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| The article in the link posted by twofishy4u is what I saw |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Not looking very good for a lot of the resorts relying on fishermen and hunters from the U.S.
Hope they can hold on,.... But, for another year ?? |
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| I have family in Canada, and a LOTW trip planned for July, so I keep a close eye on the border situation. Based on a recent survey, the vast majority of Canadians want to keep the border closed "until the number of cases in the U.S. significantly drops" and "80 per cent of Canadians surveyed supported the idea of keeping the Canada-U.S. border closed, 11 per cent somewhat support the idea". It would be political suicide for a Canadian politician to advocate to open the border in the near term.
To put number of infections in a Canadian vs USA in context, Illinois has 1/3 the population of Canada but has more infections, deaths, and a higher positivity rate. Gov. Pritzker is expected to ease restrictions soon as Canada tightens theirs.
I'm not saying who has the right approach, just that Canadians are much more cautious about Covid than are most Americans. Here's a link to the article:
"https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/more-than-7-in-10-canadians-support-barring-unvaccinated-people-from-businesses-nanos-survey-1.5269773 |
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| Wonder if the Canadian Border might open for U.S. citizens who can present proof they have been vaccinated? |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | That has been my thought as well North... It would be beneficial for the resort community, even though many Americans would still not have their vaccinations before summer, unless vaccination centers significantly increase in abundance and vaccine is available in plentiful enough amounts.
Better to have a smattering of business come than none at all I'd think, unless the income is not pacing with cost... |
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