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| I read with interest last week about the sucker rig wirth floro attached to the hook and ran through a hole made by the suckers lips. I have been using a lift off style rig with 1 or 2 hooks depending on the sucker size and made with 90 lb. 7 strand. I fish on clear water lakes and always wanted to try floro on my sucker rigs but was afraid of bite off. I have been using 80 lb. floro on casting and trolling leaders for several years and have never had any problems.
Saturday I made up one rig with 80 lb. floro as described in the post. I did not have any 100 lb. I really liked the ease of baiting up and the appearance. I fished this rig and one of my standard lift off rigs . About 10 am I caught a nice fat 49" that took the standard 7 strand lift off rig. About an hour later a fish took the floro rig. It was making a nice run in the right direction so I set the hook hard. It really felt like a big fish on the first hookset. On the second hookset it felt good for a split second and then went slack. The floro broke an inch or so above where the hook was attached. Cut and broke by the teeth i assume.
The next day my brother saw a large fish surfacing in the same area. Maybe the same fish trying to shake the 3/0 treble probably stuck in her mouth? I have gone back to the standard lift off rig but am experimenting using the floro leader to the snap at the suker and 90# seven strand for the short hook leader. I have only caught 1 small 38"er with this so far.
Bob |
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| I have been using them as well and have had success with 100# fluro on 40" and smaller muskies. However I just heard the originator of this rig Cal lost the fish of a life time, 40# plus I guess. He no longer uses them.
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Just a thought: I bought what is called Tyger Leader material (www.tygerleader.com - no I dont work for them) to tie up some Ralphie Rigs, took off the baby jig head, and boom, they're now Howie Rigs. Steel leader material that is knot-able. I'm using the 80lb stuff, it works well, but does kink up something fierce, but can be something to alleviate fears of bite offs. Check it out, the stuff isnt cheap, but I like it so far. |
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| Senior Slamr,
The guy I fished with over this past weekend was telling me about this Tyger leader material. He makes all his leaders from this stuff, and mentioned that he has yet to have one fail. He also mentioned that it was a bit pricey. Thats all I know, thats my story and I am sticking to it!
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| I just used this tyger leader and seemed to work good. Caught a 36 and 38" fish fist time out. The only thing I might try to do is paint it black. The greyish material seems to stand out. Has anybody try painting these. Wondering if the paint will stick. They also do kink very easily, so be carefull when tying them up. |
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Location: Bagley,MN 56621 | This is NOT GOOD!!!
The first fluoro fish went into the net yesterday after being 0fer-3.
The first 2 I had I missed, treble was low on one and high on the other, go figure can't win. The 3rd (and makes me sick) escaped due to the knot coming undone on the treble when I set the hook, (if anyone gives me anymore grief about a wimpy hookset, I'll snap..........).
I tied a clinch AND superglued it.
Polymar knot was much easier to tie this stuff with and held with a very strong hookset into a 43"er.
I have one of those knot tying tools coming from Rollies to be able to for sure tie a very good unslippable knot.
Now, after a good knot is performed it looks like what I initally feared to happen...breakage .....has happened TWICE!!
after losing the one to a bad knot, I went back to The normal big J hook, 2 treble on 7 strand rig.....couldnt get a pickup.
The rig works so well cuz the sucker has total freedom of movement and it's fairly invisible....dunno what to do now. grrrr |
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| I have been using the Tyger leader for a couple years. Couple things to keep in mind: It does kink but with it being so flexible the weight of the sucker takes the kink right out when the sucker is swimming. To lessen the kink factor tie a clinch knot and pull BRUTALLY SLOWLY with pliers and vice grip. Great sucker leader material. Good Luck. hj |
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Location: Bagley,MN 56621 | HJ and Slamr, it is kinking on you when you tie? How about after you get a fish on? Is it a one-fish rig?
If it kinks badly, isnt it "weak" and prone to breakage at the kinked spot?
I get nervous when 7-strand kinks.........
thx much. |
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Location: Illinois | Greg, actually the rigs can be used over and over again if you can get past the way it looks out of the water, The part that doesn't look quite right after you catch a fish is the coating. The wire inside the coating is just fine and like I said earlier once you get the weight of the sucker in the water, the rig will straighten out. The first time I tied/used the rig I looked at it and said "what the %&*^&?" I still have buddies who look at the rig with a snicker, but it does work and does catch fish, Most importantly, it's flexible and will not break.Disclaimer-I also have no affiliation with Tyger leader. Give it a try. |
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Location: Presque Isle Wisconsin | Thanks for the feedback on the rig. Just a few comments. In the discussion and in several other posts going back to last year I mentioned that I use Seagur Brand flourocarbon. There are major differences brand to brand.I also stated we prefer flouro because of the extremely clear water we fish in this area and have for a very long time used it succesfully as leader material for casting artificials.The rig is just as effective in stained water using seven strand or other wire in place of the flouro and as several of you have noted the sucker swims more freely ,looks better and last longer because it isnt stressed by the rig as much.We just started using this setup last november so not a lot of experential data was available and I thank you for the input.Our "sucker season" is just now upon us with only 12 fish in my boat so far on the rig.One fish was lost due to guys getting there lines tangled when a fish was on. Other than that all have been landed including some very big fish;however I had one seagur flouro rigged abraded two days ago. MUsky Core:I have always given credit to The Johnson brothers from Skyview Lodge where I guide out of for the original conception of the rig including newspaper and other print media. Actually much of the credit should be given to Rob Benson the chef from Skyview for His input to be accurate.Cal johnsons big fish was lost due to a combination of factors which included the flouro.I do not place a sucker rod in a rod holder and cast when using live bait.Over the years it has lost me Many big fish.Win lose or draw I set the hook within 10 to 15 seconds of a strike.This year ,as was last year has been a season thus far of very light hits and setting the hook fast has been a key to succesfully landing the fish. I never liked having to wind in other lines and lures and repositioning the boat before setting the hook.Cal has modified his method by using a short peice of seven strand with the hook and barrel swivel attached and then onto a long flouro leader to try to get the best of both worlds for very clear water.Your statement that he has quit using it is inaccurate and misleading.None of us will ever go back to using other lift off rigs whether we use wire or flouro.It does not matter which material is used for most situations.THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT YOUR HOOKSET POWER GOES DIRECTLY TO THE TREBLE RESULTING IN MORE CAUGHT FISH PERIOD! |
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