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| Last sunday I pulled up on a spot and a boat with 3 people in it had boated a muskie , after several poses and pics (including the fish being dropped, it was a mid 30's type fish) the guy throws the fish back in from a standing position from the front deck of the boat , as I trolled past them I ask about that release technique -- He answered "it's an old St Clair trick --forces air out of something and into something else (could'nt here exactly what he said) he added you got to throw them in head first and he added he did do it purpose . I know this guy has muskie fished 20 plus years or I would just count it as someone who did'nt know better. So is there any validity to this ? ManitouDan |
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Location: Pelican Lake/Three Lakes Chain | The old torpedo release. I would suspect not good for the fish but good for guys that don't wnat to pull their lines when trolling. Also a favorite of those afraid to get there hands wet when fishing late season. I would not suggest using this as a release technique. |
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| From a purely uneducated perspective, it sounds like a dumb-assed way to treat the fish. |
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Location: Chicago | I went fishing on ST Clair and we caught some really nice fish, however the guide we had hired, took these fish and did "the ole Torpedo technique"
I thought to myself that the fish would be floating within minutes
In my opinion, muskies need a little time to get readjusted to the event they just went through.
I don't know how a guide could release them in such a manner, but as Ranger stated, "it is just dumb assed" |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | To echo Ranger's sentiments, that just cant be good for the fish.
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Location: Black Creek, WI | Kinda hard to "water release" from a huge charter boat... so I bet convenience was a factor when this "torpedo release" was developed on St. Clair. Just my opinion. |
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Location: Pelican Lake/Three Lakes Chain | I truly hope that no one misreads my post as supporting the torpedo release under any circumstance. I tried in a more tounge in cheek way to label the technique as Ranger more clearly and to the point did. A very simple minded way to treat fish. |
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Location: Elkhart, IN | I heard someone that fished St. Clair talking about releasing the fish that way in summer because of the high surface temps. I guess the idea is to get them down a few feet to the cooler water so they dont die.
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Location: Shoreview, MN | I do not use this release method and I do not in any way endose it's use, but it seems to me the most important element of any release is sticking around the area long enough (10-15 minutes) to assure the fish doesn't return to the surface belly-up. If the fish goes down right away and doesn't come back up, it's probably going to be OK. On the other hand if it goes belly-up 5 minutes later and nobody's there to hold it upright then it's almost assured that it will die.
Edited by MNSteveH 10/1/2003 1:32 PM
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Location: oswego, il | I go round and round with my dad about this. He thinks it's the best way to release a fish if the water is warm. Torpedoe it to the cooler water. He did it once, I yelled at him and the fish went down and turned upside down. It finally righted itself but there is no guarentee of that. He still thinks it's the way to go. He also thinks if you release a fish and it's sitting at the surface, drive the boat (electric motor) by it and force it to swim down. Had to yell at him last weekend on that one. I think the fish will swim off when it's ready, anything else just puts more stress on the fish. |
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| BOY OH BOY... here we go again with the Lake St Clair bashing!
This stupid method may be used by some on LSC and other waters as well. Lake St Clair has hundreds of charters available and thousands and thousands of fisherman. They all can't be the sharpest tool in the shed. I do not, nor do I know anyone who has ever "torpedoed" a muskie back into the water. Instead of crying about it on a board full of people who know and love muskies and take great care of them, write an article for the local papers, call in to the local radio sports talk shows, etc. Teach the uninformed public, not the people who already know. Preaching to the choir has never worked. Is everyone getting bored? This topic has come up two or three times in the past months. Can we get back to sharing useful information?
Sorry for the soap-box approch here but I had to stick up for the sport, the fish, and the lake I love. |
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Location: Holly, MI | Oops..speaking about sharp tools..
Didn't mean to post that without my registered name. I'm on my wifes computer so I wasn't automatically logged in.
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| Chilly down lobbe, didn't mean to bash St. Clair, just the technique. I envy your opportunity to fish St. Clair all the time. Have you ever asked the DNR for copies of the MI Master Angler Award data on muskies? Almost all the fish come from St. Clair. |
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Location: Holly, MI | I'm ok now, just had to shout for a second or two.
Have been trying to get out for a week but it has been blowing steady 20-25 knots. Gusting to more. Small craft advisory, possible waterspouts, a real mess in general. Less than nice weather on Lake St Clair is very nasty. I have gotten so wet and very cold in July! It is hard to get out this time of year unless it is calm and warm. Kinda dangerous and better weather for the bow stand [a day and a half into the season and no shots taken yet  ].
I don't know the DNR numbers but if my luck on Hudson vs LSC is any proof then they are ALL from LSC. A tourney in the Canadian waters last Sat only produced 2 fish over 50 but they were whoppers. 51 1/2" at 32 lbs and a 52 incher that went over 38 pounds! They are putting on the feedbag for sure. |
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Location: Chippewa Falls Wisconsin | ManitouDan,
I see guys handing muskies still in the bottom of boats...I hear the sound of banging metal and fishing poles flying and get the WILLYS!!!!. I even found a 41" dead this year...all beat up.
I get the same response..."I have been doing this for years"..or "I will do it my way, you do it yours", The best is when they think they can do anything because they fish the lake for years, reguarding the jug fishing I wrote on a different thread..LOL
Hopefully by my son and daughters generation the folks that are old and have fished the lake for years will be US...and we will know how to handle fish boatside. Musky fishing and handle ethics are getting better and better everyday...you just have to believe it
Keep the fish in the net...remember the 10 second rule...and be ready with camera, measuring stick before you pull the fish out of the net.
Thats all you can do!
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Location: north central wisconsin | Good points Jason. As you know, I fish Petenwell flowage a bit, which probably gets warmer than most any other WI musky lake. I've watched countless acts of idiocy, and have seen enough 'floaters' to make one lose a good omelette. I used to say something and/or go over and try to help. I've been scolded too many times to continue this behavior, and I now just turn my head. Hopefully, as you said, times will change and those individuals will be phased out. Water release if the fish's health is in question, and don't pull and push them back and forth(I see too many so called experienced musky fishermen do this yet). Good luck!!
Edited by Reef Hawg 10/2/2003 8:58 AM
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Question about releases.....I know the pushing the fish back and forth in the water doesnt do anything good, but I learned from Herbie up at AML to move the fish in an "S" pattern to help the lactic acid build up disipate throughout the fishes muscles. Anyone do this, recommend for or against it?
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Location: Athens, Ohio | Just to chime in, I agree with Jason that education of the next generation of muskie fishers is important to the survival of the sport. One thing I saw that does not help, a buddy loaned me several of Bob Meisokomer's videos (however you spell it!); in the videos, he brings the fish from water to net to the bottom of the boat. You can tell the film stops, then the money shots, measurement, and back in the water. He prolly misses the 15 second rule by 2-3 minutes.
I enjoy his instruction on location & presentation, but it hurts me to watch him handle the fish. If this is where the education is coming from, quite a few folks will be mis-lead. m |
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| I have to agree with Mikey. Many of the videos portray poor release techniques. I almost get sick when I watch the In-Fisherman videos. They are usually pretty good at unhooking the fish in the water quickly, but their release leaves something to be desired. Rarely is a fish worked for more than 30 seconds before it is allowed to "swim" off. There are many shots of fish going belly up in those videos. Tap em with the rod and they shoot off, that means they'll make it right? gimme a break.
Sorry for the ranting, but those videos have bothered me for a long time. I have written and talked to reps at Sports shows about this. They dont have too much to say.
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| Slamr,
I also use an "S" type technique, but I do it more for the sake of trying to get the fish to start passing water over its gills. Years back I had learned that rocking a fish forward and back can actually do more damage than good. It has something to do with the way the gill plates are formed. The plates are actually designed by mother nature and GOD to pass water in one direction only.
I agree with many of the comments above, most muskie anglers have learned how to release a fish back to the wild with as little stress on the fish as possible.
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Question about the validity of a release technique