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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Ok guys, I've been thinking..(I know, Why?)
About 12-13 years ago I was on a 5-7 ft. reef with a steep drop off to 25-30 FOW on the East End of Vermilion... I raised the Largest fish I have ever seen... twice... I got a really good look at her and I believe she was pushing 60" Seriously.
My question is ...Do you think that fish this size just stays in deeper water most of it's life, and that is why we don't see them very seldom, if at all ?
This fish still Haunts me.
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| I think they are just quite rare. 1 in thousand (s)+ and only on big water with fatty diets. But I would say those that spend most of the time in open water seem to be of the biggest variety. |
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| Haven't they found most huge monster fish to be sterile females?? That way the don't lose any energy or weight during spawning every year. |
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Location: oswego, il | Possibly not and probably involuntary.:-) |
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| There was a lake trout netted out of Lake Athabascsa in Sask decades ago that was 102 lbs. From what I understand it had no reproductive capability so it just ate... a lot. One day a musky like that will show up...maybe 18" between the eyes! |
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Location: mercer wi | A true white whale |
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| Girth matters;  THere have been a few "long fish" caught that were not the monsters we normally associate with the upper 50/ 60-inch mark. I remember this story from a few years back. awesome fish; just skinny.
http://www.brainerddispatch.com/sports/outdoors/3150167-monster-mus...
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| Either Gelb’s book or one of his seminars (both??) suggest the biggest fish in the lake remains unseen and uncaught. And I’ve personally been on Big Vee in an event where a competitor caught a 57.5 that was accurately measured. So, I can easily believe there’s a 60 in there. Just not sure there’s one very much larger than that anywhere?? Also know that lake to be a showroom lake for skis, maybe the highest likely place for seeing great fish who will flip you their tail faster than a middle finger to a boat who just cut off your drift! |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | In my humble opinion I would say the biggest fish in the system are feeding on the biggest and most oily prey fish that exist within that system. In most waters where huge fish like that live and exist with regularity, that would either be Whitefish, Cisco/Tulibee, and trout based waters. With those prey species, most of the year they are open water fish, suspending out in the middle. The predatory fish have no reason to go shallow, except when the prey species goes there....In the fall for spawning cisco/tulibee as an example.
For the majority of the time we get to fish for these critters, I'd say their stomachs are nicely supplied, and being on the fish at the moment they feel like feeding is a very rare situation, making these fish so highly sought after, but seldom caught.
A world record I believe exists out there for this reason...
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| It's out roaming GBay somewhere eating whities and herring |
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| Here on the east coast, we travel to Chautauqua in NY. The Indians have legends of fish “oars length” and fish have been reported there of enormous size. I read a book think it was called saving Chautauquas muskies. Super cool lore and old photos of times long gone. Many stats from back long ago reports of 10-20 fish days and such. No proof of fish past high 50s only legend. Highly recommend the book. They say one of the original indigenous strains used to stock all over Pa Nj and Ny. |
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| Chautauqua's a great musky lake, the best numbers lake in NYS. Plenty of nice musky's in this lake. largest musky ever collected by trap nets measured 56' (this is considered the longest fish ever measured in Chautauqua). However not the lake if your in goal is ski's that size 60". Perhaps a large pelagic musky from Georgian bay or the Thousand Islands?
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| i have never seen yet a single 60incher bumpboard pics.then it don't exist because there is no pics.simple as that.if someone take the time to take dozen of pics for his internet fan club but he don't take the time to take just on in the board ,then i would say it's very strange. it's like hey guys 60 incher are that common in my boat that i'll not waist my time for that,guys will trust me for sure on that.like the brit say the proof is in the pudding.but im with npike largest one would came from these body of water.i would also add nipi ssing to his list |
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| I bought a boat from a guy twenty years ago that told me he put a sixty inch in the boat. He was not a musky guy.
I almost passed on the boat as it made me ask myself what else he was lying about. Lol. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | TI has had one confirmed 60"+ on a Dominatrix D10 caught on Georgian Bay in Canada. The guide asked we not post the picture. This was 6 years ago. Bumbed he did not want us to post the picture but it was a MONSTER! The guide is known for putting clients on big fish and is booked solid for 18-24 months so I understand his request.... He also HATES BS haters online..... |
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Location: new richmond, wi. & isle, mn | Black Friday must be a little slow? |
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Location: oswego, il | James, c'mon you have to at least say he or she put it on a bump board for it to count!:-)
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Location: Eastern Ontario | A lot of us old farts were fishing long before bump boards and digital cameras. My personal best is 55 but I have 2 friends with 60's one with a 59 and another with a 58. Heading out in an hour to try for a PB. It's like unicorn hunting.
The next world record if caught is unlikely to be an extremely long fish a lot of the long fish I've seen over the years are old skinny fish in decline. Sorta like me.
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| no bumpboard mean lots of chance for a bs measurement.cradle in the water and stick is no good.ive caught 2 times fish that have been measurement with a stick and it,,s strange because they turn to be smaller after years. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | horsehunter - 11/25/2018 6:00 AM
A lot of us old farts were fishing long before bump boards and digital cameras. My personal best is 55 but I have 2 friends with 60's one with a 59 and another with a 58. Heading out in an hour to try for a PB. It's like unicorn hunting.
The next world record if caught is unlikely to be an extremely long fish a lot of the long fish I've seen over the years are old skinny fish in decline. Sorta like me.
Totally agree with this statement. I know of one fish from about 15 years ago that went roughly 64" but was definitely on the decline... The head was huge, but the body very very skinny like the fish pictured earlier in this thread.
Bump boards didn't exist back then...so to call someone out today with their measurement being an illegitimate length because it wasn't on a bump board is honestly....ignorant...
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| So if before the creation of laser range finders a golf hole is measured at 400 yards but decades later the laser range finder measures the hole at 407 yards the earlier 400 yard measurement is still correct. Makes sense. |
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| supertrollr - 11/25/2018 8:12 AM no bumpboard mean lots of chance for a bs measurement.cradle in the water and stick is no good.ive caught 2 times fish that have been measurement with a stick and it,,s strange because they turn to be smaller after years. I have measured quite a few fish with stick in water and then bumpboarded those same fish right after. The fish on the bumpboard usually measure a 1/2 inch longer with the tail pinch. Just my personal experience. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Cfollow - 11/25/2018 8:32 AM
So if before the creation of laser range finders a golf hole is measured at 400 yards but decades later the laser range finder measures the hole at 407 yards the earlier 400 yard measurement is still correct. Makes sense.
Yep...it makes perfect sense...
The hole is moved so as to not wear out the green in that location, and the tee markers are moved so as not to wear out the tee box in that area. So...decades before, the yardages would be different every week or so on the local municipal golf course as they still are today laser range finder or not...
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| VMS - 11/25/2018 9:01 AM
Cfollow - 11/25/2018 8:32 AM
So if before the creation of laser range finders a golf hole is measured at 400 yards but decades later the laser range finder measures the hole at 407 yards the earlier 400 yard measurement is still correct. Makes sense.
Yep...it makes perfect sense...
The hole is moved so as to not wear out the green in that location, and the tee markers are moved so as not to wear out the tee box in that area. So...decades before, the yardages would be different every week or so on the local municipal golf course as they still are today laser range finder or not...
Haha, nice mental gymnastics!! You must have had to limber up before that post. |
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Location: oswego, il | VMS - 11/25/2018 9:01 AM
Cfollow - 11/25/2018 8:32 AM
So if before the creation of laser range finders a golf hole is measured at 400 yards but decades later the laser range finder measures the hole at 407 yards the earlier 400 yard measurement is still correct. Makes sense.
Yep...it makes perfect sense...
The hole is moved so as to not wear out the green in that location, and the tee markers are moved so as not to wear out the tee box in that area. So...decades before, the yardages would be different every week or so on the local municipal golf course as they still are today laser range finder or not...
There is a funny joke but I cannot go there.
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Hahahaha!!!!
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Fact of the matter is...when golf holes were designed way back when, they used survey crews to determine lengths....pure and simple mathematics, and that method was extremely accurate. They did not need laser range finding to figure things out... Heck...look at bridges, the gateway arch, etc... They didn't have that stuff.... And the accuracy was phenomenal!!
Today's bump board is a convenience and a quick way to get a good measurement. To say those people in the past or even to this day (who are honest) don't know how to measure is ridiculous at best. To be off by 1/4 of an inch due to measuring with a stick as compared to a bump board is (in my humble opinion) a non issue for the recreational fisherman.
Tournament fishing now though....a completely different story as there are so many good sticks out there that the measurement might be crucial to a win/place, and with releasing these beautiful creatures quickly, a quick method is needed...I get that... THAT makes perfect sense to me, but I would bet a measurement with a stick would be extremely close given all contestants measure using the same method. It's really not that hard..
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Then Todd's 49.5 inch fish might very well be a fifty..... Hmmmm. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | I caught a 50 in Dec of 2015, guy sent me a pic of a fish he said was 53.75 he caught in 2014..... one quick glance I could see he caught the same 50 I caught... how is one off by almost 4 inches? lol .. we got a 55.25 that a guide caught a week or 2 prior and measured at 55.5.. now a .25 inch difference I can see but it is interesting... I also wonder if a fish has a big fat belly if that can 'shorten' the length as opposed to not much in the belly?
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Location: Eastern Ontario | One thing I have seen over the years is people measuring with a soft sewing tape over the top of the fish rather than a tape , rule , or bump board under the fish . Try with your pillow and see the difference. It's your fish it can be anything you want I'm only concerned with my fish. A new neighbour showed me a picture of a mid 40's fish and when I asked how long it was she said 61 inches my only reply it was NICE FISH. Not being a muskie angler it was obviously the biggest fish she had ever seen. |
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Location: Vilas | if 3 guys measured a fish over the side of a boat with a stick, they would have 3 different measurements...a bump board doesnt make a fish any longer, its just an accurate measurement....and as far as a fat fish being shorter, Im 6`1 before thanksgiving dinner and after... their bone structure doesnt change because of their weight they are carrying... But to the original post, yes, I think the biggest of the big stay in deep water alomst exclusively |
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| The story about the sixty the guide didn’t want posted reminds me of the story about the 80 year old Jewish guy who shows up at St Pete’s confessional and starts telling the Father about the young girl who seduces him in the park and insisted he have sex with her seven times the previous day. Father says, “ Mr. Cohen you’re Jewish, you don’t have to tell me.” He answers, “Father, I’m telling everybody!” |
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| vms bump board are here for at least 15 years.did you finally kill the yeti you tried to hunt since at least 20 years ? ive seen one 1 year ago, he was looking for some food near the mcdonalds trash.too bad im like you ive got no pics.cell phone was didn't exist back then. camera was barely available |
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Location: oswego, il | horsehunter - 11/26/2018 10:42 AM
It's your fish it can be anything you want I'm only concerned with my fish.
Ye have little understanding of the musky fisherman's ego.:-) |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | ToddM - 11/26/2018 6:33 PM
horsehunter - 11/26/2018 10:42 AM
It's your fish it can be anything you want I'm only concerned with my fish.
Ye have little understanding of the musky fisherman's ego.:- )
I've played this game a long time believe me I have too much understanding. |
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| What we’re catching and trapping is not all inclusive. Bigger fish are surviving and not being caught. I think it’s amusing when guys say 50” fish don’t grow here, then some kid with a bobber catches one. New York and Pa. and Ohio have big fish-fact. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | supertrollr - 11/26/2018 5:22 PM
vms bump board are here for at least 15 years.did you finally kill the yeti you tried to hunt since at least 20 years ? ive seen one 1 year ago, he was looking for some food near the mcdonalds trash.too bad im like you ive got no pics.cell phone was didn't exist back then. camera was barely available
I highly doubt I am the same as you... Yeti’s are everywhere.. they seem to keep things nice and cold or toasty warm... no need to hunt for them they are at your local Cabela’s...bump boards didn’t exist for the first 30 years I’ve fished for these critters. Those days (especially the early to mid 80s)catch and release was catching on but weight was still the defining measurement. Call it what you will, call me out all you want, but please, try to use better grammar, spelling, sentence structure and punctuation.
Honest people did and would continue things today with an honest measurement. Horse hunter hit the nail on the head.. those of us who’ve been at this for 40 years or more have seen and heard many stories.. ah the myth and lore of years past...and yet some try and pull it off today...bump board or not.
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Location: Eastern Ontario | sukrchukr - 11/26/2018 12:14 PM
if 3 guys measured a fish over the side of a boat with a stick, they would have 3 different measurements...a bump board doesnt make a fish any longer, its just an accurate measurement....and as far as a fat fish being shorter, Im 6`1 before thanksgiving dinner and after... their bone structure doesnt change because of their weight they are carrying... But to the original post, yes, I think the biggest of the big stay in deep water alomst exclusively
I don't recall anyone saying fat fish were shorter
What I did say was you will get a longer measurement running a tape up and over the fish's body compared to laying the fish on a rule.
I also said that most of the extremely long fish I had seen had been apparently old relatively skinny fish in decline.
Cold blooded animals especially fish never stop growing as long as they live the rate may slow but never stops. |
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Location: Vilas | bottom of the first page someone made a comment on fatter fish possibly being shorter as they put on weight as opposed to being longer when they are skinnier
youre not the only one here commenting on this subject
I also believe fish/mammals reach a certain growth according to their genetics and dont grow their entire life
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| I’m thinking of a morning going out with Bill Sandy on LOTW, and having him say he’d rather not take a fish out of the water unless it really represented something special. And, while I’m certainly no Bill Sandy, I’ll wager I can judge a fish within an inch or less without ruining its day. We handle far too many fish. It’s just that simple. Delayed mortality costs us way more fish that we will never catch again than thought. Just post your best guess at size, nobody here believes you anyway. |
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Location: Niagara on the Lake, ON | John Anderson talked about this on our podcast and said a couple of things that stayed with me 1) almost everything that is older tends to lay down a lot (ie large fish on bottom). 2) Talked of a giant that was caught and the stomach contents were nothing but catfish, so bottom. Steve Herbek also said on his episode that the 60 inchers are incredibly rare and that many a fisherman have wasted seasons trying to go after them (with no success) |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | UglyPike - 12/12/2018 1:19 PM
John Anderson talked about this on our podcast and said a couple of things that stayed with me 1) almost everything that is older tends to lay down a lot (ie large fish on bottom). 2) Talked of a giant that was caught and the stomach contents were nothing but catfish, so bottom. Steve Herbek also said on his episode that the 60 inchers are incredibly rare and that many a fisherman have wasted seasons trying to go after them (with no success)
So, How does one go about Landing this elusive 60" fish ??
Stay in deep water and continue to fish the bottom ? Don't big muskies/pike feed by looking up from where they are staged in the water column ?
Have most of the verified 60 " muskies been caught in deep water ? I'm trying to learn here. |
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Location: Vilas | To catch a fish like that you`re going to have to dedicate all your time on the water to big fish. A few hours here and there isnt going to make it happen. You have to be willing to sacrifice action for the one big bite.
Id say fish open water, with slow moving big baits and keep your fingers crossed for a 60".... and except the fact that a 60" is probably not ever going to happen... but the 50" -55" fish aint too shabby either!
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| Do not fish numbers waters go where you get skunked more
Fish open water with giant baits really slow
Pounder jumbo glider jumbo bucktails
Slow reel 5.1-1 or slower as slow as you can fish
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