Trolling rod holders
billy bucher
Posted 9/2/2018 10:29 AM (#917343)
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Im sure this has come up several times, but what rod holders are everyone using for trolling? Ive been using basic scottys' and havent had any problems, yet. But i dont exactly trust them on a 25+ lb fish. Thanks in advance
ToddM
Posted 9/2/2018 11:09 AM (#917345 - in reply to #917343)
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I love my Scotty rod holders for ease of use. Never an issue. People say they have broken them, i suspect they lock down their drags with giant baits. I don't lock down my drags. No issues keeping a medium drag, caught fish up to 51" and salmon fish with dipseys, no problems. If i had to use a down east rod holder, i would probably stop trolling for everything.
jonnysled
Posted 9/2/2018 11:15 AM (#917348 - in reply to #917345)
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ToddM - 9/2/2018 11:09 AM
If i had to use a down east rod holder, i would probably stop trolling for everything.


^ i use Folbe's, but agree with this 100%. down-easters = the mk pd of rod holders.
Pat Hoolihan
Posted 9/3/2018 2:55 PM (#917412 - in reply to #917343)
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Folbe....will never own DE again.
Lizmorea
Posted 9/3/2018 5:22 PM (#917424 - in reply to #917343)
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Why all the negative comments about down east holders?
I love mine, and most serious trollers I know use them.
Not starting a fight, just curious.
Pat Hoolihan
Posted 9/3/2018 5:33 PM (#917426 - in reply to #917424)
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Lizmorea - 9/3/2018 5:22 PM

Why all the negative comments about down east holders?
I love mine, and most serious trollers I know use them.
Not starting a fight, just curious.


Use them long enough and they will break. They also eat up cork handles.
CRK925
Posted 9/3/2018 7:02 PM (#917431 - in reply to #917343)
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Folbes for me. Love them
jdsplasher
Posted 9/3/2018 7:29 PM (#917434 - in reply to #917426)
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Pat Hoolihan - 9/3/2018 5:33 PM
Lizmorea - 9/3/2018 5:22 PM Why all the negative comments about down east holders? I love mine, and most serious trollers I know use them. Not starting a fight, just curious.
Use them long enough and they will break. They also eat up cork handles.

 Hmmmm, kind of interesting Pat. My e, glass rods have foam, and my down east don't eat the foam. A lot softer than cork. Not sure if you understand how downeast seed. They straddle the reel seat.

 Never touch the foam or the cork ...

 JD

ToddM
Posted 9/3/2018 9:22 PM (#917444 - in reply to #917343)
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Getting rods in and out of the DE holder is a big pain. It's a one handed job getting a rod in while opening the holder with the other. Even releasing pressure, the rod is difficult to remove. I have lost fish using them. Not fun, no thanks.
Brian Hoffies
Posted 9/3/2018 10:51 PM (#917460 - in reply to #917444)
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I like and use DE holders. Like anything else some will like them some won't. Much like the systems for holding electronics........I hate Ram, others will swear by them. To each their own.
Outkast
Posted 9/3/2018 10:53 PM (#917461 - in reply to #917343)
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For down rods there's nothing easier or more solid. Holder stays open once you open it, can hold rod with two hands now, put rod in to the "claw" and slam it shut. One motion deal. Fish on its one hand fore grip one hand rear grip, pull fore grip push rear grip up and out it goes. Don't know why some hate on them. Only thing that makes them difficult is if you still got trigger on reel seat. Cut em off. To each their own try em all out see what ya like
ToddM
Posted 9/3/2018 11:24 PM (#917463 - in reply to #917461)
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I prefer my trolling rods with a trigger on them. Much easier to hold. I suspect the DE has to be angled down to keep it in the open position. I use big boards and the rod is not fun putting in an upright DE. Say what you will any of them I have used in other people's boats and the two clamp on holders I have have proven difficult to operate. I also seen a musky fishing show this past season that shows exactly what I am talking about.
jdsplasher
Posted 9/4/2018 4:35 AM (#917465 - in reply to #917444)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders





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ToddM - 9/3/2018 9:22 PM Getting rods in and out of the DE holder is a big pain. It's a one handed job getting a rod in while opening the holder with the other. Even releasing pressure, the rod is difficult to remove. I have lost fish using them. Not fun, no thanks.

 Hmmmm,Todd, A rod holder has nothing to do with losing fish. Many reasons why fish get off, But it's Not The Rod Holder!!!

 Hook preparation is HUGE! Drag setting is HUGE! Right hooks is HUGE!

 IMO, getting a rod from out the holder, as fast as you can, after a fish hits, is a BIg Mistake!!!

 Like stated before, use rod holder in your comfort Zone ...Best For You!!!

 JD

ToddM
Posted 9/4/2018 6:55 AM (#917471 - in reply to #917465)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders





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jdsplasher - 9/4/2018 4:35 AM

ToddM - 9/3/2018 9:22 PM Getting rods in and out of the DE holder is a big pain. It's a one handed job getting a rod in while opening the holder with the other. Even releasing pressure, the rod is difficult to remove. I have lost fish using them. Not fun, no thanks.

 Hmmmm,Todd, A rod holder has nothing to do with losing fish. Many reasons why fish get off, But it's Not The Rod Holder!!!

 Hook preparation is HUGE! Drag setting is HUGE! Right hooks is HUGE!

 IMO, getting a rod from out the holder, as fast as you can, after a fish hits, is a BIg Mistake!!!

 Like stated before, use rod holder in your comfort Zone ...Best For You!!!

 JD



With suckers too, i would say having a rod holder that takes you upwards of 20 to 30 seconds to get rod out is a big mistake.
Brian Hoffies
Posted 9/4/2018 8:03 AM (#917477 - in reply to #917471)
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If it takes you 20-30 seconds then yes you need to be using something else.
jonnysled
Posted 9/4/2018 8:18 AM (#917478 - in reply to #917477)
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Location: minocqua, wi.
i don't troll muskies, but pulling 9 lines in a boat salmon fishing with big dipsies etc... separates rod holders pretty quickly, not just grabbing for catching but re-loads etc... . if rail mounted, DE's are even more fun (insert rubber hose nonsense that doesn't work here). i have i think 4 of the powder-coated DE's. they decorate the cluttered work bench in the garage and are pretty effective for that. they sit right next to a couple pd pedals.
NPike
Posted 9/4/2018 9:12 AM (#917482 - in reply to #917478)
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Scotty work great. I don't troll so much any more but caught plenty of fish with them.
Fishboy19
Posted 9/4/2018 8:56 PM (#917579 - in reply to #917343)
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I like the Cisco System rod holders and tracks. High quality functional stuff. Lots of variety and options. I also have 2 clamp on Down Easters on the Cisco adapters for the track.
Landonfish
Posted 9/7/2018 1:45 PM (#917825 - in reply to #917343)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders




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Fat az rod holders
Jerry Newman
Posted 9/8/2018 8:26 AM (#917854 - in reply to #917825)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders




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The same guys always seem to rush to bash the down East rod holders… Sled even said he doesn't troll for muskie but still bashes them?  Maybe I should do a video removing and returning a large board rod from a DE only using one hand in about 10 seconds for Todd?

They also do not “chew up” cork handles when the rod is properly seated (don’t even come in contact with the cork). Frankly, there is a learning curve with the DE but once you get yourself dialed in on the proper way to use them, they are the easiest to use and become a real asset for muskie trolling. 

I have a strong preference for rod triggers and they fit in the DE with no problem.  This is kind of next level stuff, but some rods have wide triggers and although it's not necessary, my preference is to narrow them down some with a file so they slide up into the DE in a locked position.  Either way, you can always wind in while the rod is still in the holder… it's just a little easier with the triggers locked because the reel does not move.  You can actually wind in 2 board rods at a time this way with the rods still in the holder… kind of a handy deal when you have a big fish on and need to clear the boards on that side quickly. 

If you're running 9-12 rods, the rod trees are certainly hard to beat. We run 6 rods 90% of the time and been running this latest setup this summer for almost 400 hours so far… and it's 100% rock solid.  The rail mounted Fat AZ with the DE is absolutely the best setup that I have used for 6 rod muskie trolling, and therefore can wholeheartedly recommend it… same with the 700 Tekotas versus the 600 series. 




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ToddM
Posted 9/8/2018 8:54 AM (#917857 - in reply to #917343)
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Jerry, and the same guys talk about how great they are,:-) if you watch MH TV, you were able to see exactly what i am talking about on an episode last season. I could see the rod holder chewing up a cork handle if you don't set it in by the reel seat. I tried it that way and it did just trying to find a better way to use it.
Masqui-ninja
Posted 9/8/2018 12:52 PM (#917869 - in reply to #917343)
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I like Folbe's for down rods or straight back.

Tube style rod holders are superior for boards imo. So much easier to just slide the rod up and out.
Jerry Newman
Posted 9/8/2018 9:30 PM (#917889 - in reply to #917869)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders




Location: 31

Todd, don't take this the wrong way because I agree with most of what you say on other subjects. However, in this case I feel you're handing out some misinformation on a product that you apparently do not have a lot of experience with. 

I don't post as often as you by a long shot, but when I do it's only about things that I really know well from long first-hand experience. I think I've seen Musky Hunter twice back in the day… and honestly don't see the relevance because ruining the cork is not possible when used correctly.  I remember Mike Lazarus was using DEs back then, and still uses them now… do you think he would continue to use them if they ruined rods or were as big of a PIA you claim them to be?  

Otherwise, I've come close to trying tubes for my outside board rods to help get them away from the boat. However, I really like bringing in the boards while the rod is still in the holder, and the DE makes this possible with 1 hand… it's just easier than cranking in a board and lure while holding the rod.

I still can appreciate the tubes application, as well as a rod tree. There are other rod holders I would never consider using... but see so reason to bash them.   

ToddM
Posted 9/9/2018 9:48 AM (#917896 - in reply to #917343)
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Jerry, i am telling people my experience with them. I have no personal interest other than that. The only way for the DE to damage the cork would be to set the rod in it by the foregrip. Setting it in by the reel seat would not cause that issue. I have yet to be in a boat where someone, not just me didn't have an issue with the rod holder. One of my buddies has lost rods and teathers them. I also believe those who have broken a scotty troll with locked down drags which i do not do. I can also reel in boards with the scotty.
Brian Hoffies
Posted 9/9/2018 9:54 AM (#917897 - in reply to #917896)
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There is a short learning curve.


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Lucky Craft Man
Posted 9/9/2018 10:29 AM (#917900 - in reply to #917343)
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So as to not to participate in the debate, I'll just post what I use. Fat AZ Rail Mounts with DE Heads on my Down and Out Rods and Fat AZ Rail Mounts with Fat AZ Tubes for my On-Line Board Rods. Very solid set-up for me.


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#1netman
Posted 9/10/2018 9:58 AM (#917953 - in reply to #917343)
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Traxtech with the Down east holder. Expensive but they are solid and the adjustability is awesome

https://www.traxstech.com/ALT_4_S17_4_Inch_Tall_Mount_with_S_17_Rod_...
supertrollr
Posted 9/10/2018 12:39 PM (#917963 - in reply to #917343)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders


once again salty by down east are the best and all the rest is really unsafe.it talk about personal experience of 25 years plus years of trolling and friends story.
supertrollr
Posted 9/10/2018 12:46 PM (#917964 - in reply to #917465)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders


jdsplasher - 9/4/2018 4:35 AM

ToddM - 9/3/2018 9:22 PM Getting rods in and out of the DE holder is getting a rod from out the holder, as fast as you can, after a fish hits, is a BIg Mistake!!!

 Like stated before, use rod holder in your comfort Zone ...Best For You!!!

 JD


amen to that.boat set the hook,a plastic rh would break if the rod stay too long in the rh but that's not the case with salty.so no stress
supertrollr
Posted 9/10/2018 12:54 PM (#917965 - in reply to #917426)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders


Pat Hoolihan - 9/3/2018 5:33 PM

Lizmorea - 9/3/2018 5:22 PM

Why all the negative comments about down east holders?
I love mine, and most serious trollers I know use them.
Not starting a fight, just curious.


Use them long enough and they will break. They also eat up cork handles.
total bs! i have 2 rods that have been used more than 15 years in the salty and there is not a single sing of destruction. now if some guys are using bad salty seat that's another story. you blame the wrong thing !
JakeStCroixSkis
Posted 9/10/2018 1:30 PM (#917967 - in reply to #917343)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders





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Location: St. Lawrence River
Ive trolled enough in my brothers boat that has Scottys, and I will say two things:
#1- What an absolute pain to get a loaded rod out of the thing.. have seen several fish come off while struggling to remove a rod.
#2- I would not dream of soaking a rod without a leash..

To the OP: I run saltys off of traxstech bases with custom mount plates that I made myself at work..... I will try to post a picture, they are rock solid.

In my opinion, a DE Salty on a Fat AZ base is gonna be your best bet for a muskellunge trolling rod holder setup, by a land slide..



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JakeStCroixSkis
Posted 9/10/2018 1:32 PM (#917968 - in reply to #917426)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders





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Pat Hoolihan - 9/3/2018 6:33 PM

Lizmorea - 9/3/2018 5:22 PM

Why all the negative comments about down east holders?
I love mine, and most serious trollers I know use them.
Not starting a fight, just curious.


Use them long enough and they will break. They also eat up cork handles.


you are not seating your rod in the holder properly, then. I hope your leashed lol..
jonnysled
Posted 9/10/2018 2:30 PM (#917970 - in reply to #917968)
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that rod leash has got to be one of the silliest things i've ever seen ...
jonnysled
Posted 9/10/2018 2:32 PM (#917971 - in reply to #917854)
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Jerry Newman - 9/8/2018 8:26 AM

The same guys always seem to rush to bash the down East rod holders… Sled even said he doesn't troll for muskie but still bashes them?  Maybe I should do a video removing and returning a large board rod from a DE only using one hand in about 10 seconds for Todd?

They also do not “chew up” cork handles when the rod is properly seated (don’t even come in contact with the cork). Frankly, there is a learning curve with the DE but once you get yourself dialed in on the proper way to use them, they are the easiest to use and become a real asset for muskie trolling. 

I have a strong preference for rod triggers and they fit in the DE with no problem.  This is kind of next level stuff, but some rods have wide triggers and although it's not necessary, my preference is to narrow them down some with a file so they slide up into the DE in a locked position.  Either way, you can always wind in while the rod is still in the holder… it's just a little easier with the triggers locked because the reel does not move.  You can actually wind in 2 board rods at a time this way with the rods still in the holder… kind of a handy deal when you have a big fish on and need to clear the boards on that side quickly. 

If you're running 9-12 rods, the rod trees are certainly hard to beat. We run 6 rods 90% of the time and been running this latest setup this summer for almost 400 hours so far… and it's 100% rock solid.  The rail mounted Fat AZ with the DE is absolutely the best setup that I have used for 6 rod muskie trolling, and therefore can wholeheartedly recommend it… same with the 700 Tekotas versus the 600 series. 



Kings, Coho's, Rainbows and Browns ...

down-easters are a nuisance, a potential disaster and a pita. i believe that's why you use a rod leash? LOL ... you're a dandy jerry.
ToddM
Posted 9/10/2018 2:59 PM (#917973 - in reply to #917971)
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Hard to get a rod out of a Scotty? Helen Keller could get a rod out of a Scotty, no leash unless you are afraid Helen will walk off the side....
jonnysled
Posted 9/10/2018 3:03 PM (#917975 - in reply to #917973)
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Rod Leashes ... LOL
SkiNoob
Posted 9/10/2018 3:46 PM (#917977 - in reply to #917965)
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Todd,

I have the caebla's scotty knock off. I am pretty sure they are the same.

I wanted to troll, didn't have my rod so I stuck my casting rod in there, but it woudln't fit with the trigger.

Maybe they are different a bit?
Pointerpride102
Posted 9/10/2018 3:48 PM (#917978 - in reply to #917975)
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Location: The desert
I put a shock collar on mine. Like the more wireless approach.
JakeStCroixSkis
Posted 9/10/2018 5:15 PM (#917980 - in reply to #917973)
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ToddM - 9/10/2018 3:59 PM

Hard to get a rod out of a Scotty? Helen Keller could get a rod out of a Scotty, no leash unless you are afraid Helen will walk off the side....


I wouldn’t use a leash if I was chasing 35” Illinois/wisco fish, either. But it just so happens we are not lol ..

And it’s 100% easier to just pull a rod out of a salty.. my brother lost a big one Sunday morning trying to fiddle f**k a rod out of that stupid Scotty.

If my GF can pull a rod out of a salty at 4mph with a DK or a hosebait plowing along, it oughta be easy for anyone..

All in good fun. Use whatever you want.
jonnysled
Posted 9/10/2018 5:48 PM (#917983 - in reply to #917980)
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why not just have a rod holder that can hold it?
ToddM
Posted 9/11/2018 12:03 AM (#917998 - in reply to #917983)
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Hey those 35" fibskies are trophies! I wonder if that wireless fence would work.
RyanJoz
Posted 9/12/2018 8:52 AM (#918124 - in reply to #917343)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders




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Location: Mt. Zion, IL
Scotty orca rod holders and the cabelas scotty holders are not the same. Orcas are similar to the Folbe holders. It seems like there is some confusion about this. I would never run a scotty powerlok (cabelas), but would consider Orcas.
Pat Hoolihan
Posted 9/12/2018 11:54 AM (#918140 - in reply to #917965)
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supertrollr - 9/10/2018 12:54 PM

Pat Hoolihan - 9/3/2018 5:33 PM

Lizmorea - 9/3/2018 5:22 PM

Why all the negative comments about down east holders?
I love mine, and most serious trollers I know use them.
Not starting a fight, just curious.


Use them long enough and they will break. They also eat up cork handles.
total bs! i have 2 rods that have been used more than 15 years in the salty and there is not a single sing of destruction. now if some guys are using bad salty seat that's another story. you blame the wrong thing !


All I'm saying is I've seen them fail and continue to see them fail. You won't change my opinion and them and I'm not trying to change yours but I will never own a DE rod holder again.
horsehunter
Posted 9/12/2018 12:21 PM (#918141 - in reply to #917343)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders




Location: Eastern Ontario
I've used DE's over 30 years without failure. Mine are on plates that fit in my Bert's tracks I use Bert's tubes for big and inline boards and have a few Scotty's on plates as spares they are scary to watch but never seen one fail on my or any friends boat. Hoser has a Scotty on the transom pointed straight down with an 8 foot rod pulling a double 10 on 12 feet of line scares the hell out of me but its taken big Georgian Bay fish.
You won't convince a Ford owner that a Chev is better.
ToddM
Posted 9/12/2018 12:25 PM (#918143 - in reply to #917343)
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Put fish up to 51"(I netted it) with my Scottys in cold weather too. Snagged up, never doubted them.
8HPTROLLER
Posted 9/12/2018 1:46 PM (#918154 - in reply to #917343)
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Have used DE's since 1994, fishing out of 3 different boats and boated between 800 and 1,000 muskies. The DE's can get fatigued but I have only seen one break. I do get some handle rash, not really a big deal just cover the cork with epoxy.
These rod holders are very easy to use, its all about geometry. Move the rod tip towards the front of the boat which takes the load off the DE and they lift out easily, even with big fish. Have used tubes, they seem awkward because you are generally removing the rod from the tube one handed and it seems like a big fish could rip the rod from your hand at that critical moment. Anyway, just my 2 cents.
Rich
JakeStCroixSkis
Posted 9/12/2018 2:55 PM (#918158 - in reply to #918124)
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RyanJoz - 9/12/2018 9:52 AM

Scotty orca rod holders and the cabelas scotty holders are not the same. Orcas are similar to the Folbe holders. It seems like there is some confusion about this. I would never run a scotty powerlok (cabelas), but would consider Orcas.


I think this is where we are so far apart on the Scottys, Todd.. I think my brother's boat sports the Scotty "powerlok," which is what I have used. Not the Orca. They do not operate like a Folbe.. They have taken fish up to 56'' for us, though. But are a super pain.
Muskie Gal
Posted 9/15/2018 5:24 PM (#918465 - in reply to #918158)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders




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JakeStCroixSkis - 9/12/2018 2:55 PM

RyanJoz - 9/12/2018 9:52 AM

Scotty orca rod holders and the cabelas scotty holders are not the same. Orcas are similar to the Folbe holders. It seems like there is some confusion about this. I would never run a scotty powerlok (cabelas), but would consider Orcas.


I think this is where we are so far apart on the Scottys, Todd.. I think my brother's boat sports the Scotty "powerlok," which is what I have used. Not the Orca. They do not operate like a Folbe.. They have taken fish up to 56'' for us, though. But are a super pain.


What is so hard about opening the scotty powerblock and pulling the rod out?

Also, why say your de's are the best when you feel the need to have ugly dog leashes on them?
JakeStCroixSkis
Posted 9/16/2018 3:59 PM (#918592 - in reply to #918465)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders





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Muskie Gal - 9/15/2018 6:24 PM

JakeStCroixSkis - 9/12/2018 2:55 PM

RyanJoz - 9/12/2018 9:52 AM

Scotty orca rod holders and the cabelas scotty holders are not the same. Orcas are similar to the Folbe holders. It seems like there is some confusion about this. I would never run a scotty powerlok (cabelas), but would consider Orcas.


I think this is where we are so far apart on the Scottys, Todd.. I think my brother's boat sports the Scotty "powerlok," which is what I have used. Not the Orca. They do not operate like a Folbe.. They have taken fish up to 56'' for us, though. But are a super pain.


What is so hard about opening the scotty powerblock and pulling the rod out?

Also, why say your de's are the best when you feel the need to have ugly dog leashes on them?


Because anything can break? I think it’s pretty obvious why someone would use a leash. Because ones wishes to prevent a rod/reel/bait from going into the drink. Is that not obvious?

I find it so funny musky fishermen are very detail oriented, anal even about all of our gear and equipment... making sure we limit equipment failure.. But many of you would scoff at someone for attempting to protect a $600 rod/reel/bait.. why even use leaders? Just tie your bait right to your main line, don’t be scared! Why use that 80-100lb braid? 30lb will do! Why bring a net? Just grab the #*^@ thing you don’t need no stinking net! Smh...
Wood_Duck
Posted 9/21/2018 6:18 AM (#918921 - in reply to #917343)
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I run both. I prefer the Folbes for ease of use but DE works well too. I only use the DE for side rods though, never propwash. Propwash goes to the Folbe 100% of the time. But my experience with both says that eventually DE break, and they will destroy cork. I run my DE tipped down with the foregrip in the holder. Sure, the reel seat would better protect the rod but it’s just not how I do things. Folbes I simply have zero issues with and for travel I like I can leave rods in them and lock them down to keep from bouncing open
jonnysled
Posted 9/21/2018 8:17 AM (#918931 - in reply to #918921)
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Location: minocqua, wi.
i'm imagining a salmon charter with all their rods leashed ... and then a double or a triple goes off ...
JakeStCroixSkis
Posted 9/21/2018 8:48 AM (#918932 - in reply to #918931)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders





Posts: 1425


Location: St. Lawrence River
jonnysled - 9/21/2018 9:17 AM

i'm imagining a salmon charter with all their rods leashed ... and then a double or a triple goes off ...


No, this probably would not be ideal. If i was trolling with $6 spoons I probably would not give a crap either.
nar160
Posted 9/21/2018 10:05 AM (#918940 - in reply to #917343)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders




Posts: 425


Location: MN
^ The attachment point at the rear of the rod in your pic above - what is that exactly? Electrical taped on metal ring?
RyanJoz
Posted 9/21/2018 11:05 AM (#918945 - in reply to #918932)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders




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Location: Mt. Zion, IL
JakeStCroixSkis - 9/21/2018 8:48 AM

jonnysled - 9/21/2018 9:17 AM

i'm imagining a salmon charter with all their rods leashed ... and then a double or a triple goes off ...


No, this probably would not be ideal. If i was trolling with $6 spoons I probably would not give a crap either.


so is it the $6 spoon/$35 bait or the $600 rod/reel you're worried about? it seems like the story changes here in this thread... leashes are dumb and get in the way no matter what holder system you choose to use. the opinions of some will never be changed and I get that. I fully believe the quote from above that DE's are the PD motors of the past.
Jerry Newman
Posted 9/21/2018 1:22 PM (#918954 - in reply to #918945)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders




Location: 31
 

Yikes, this discussion needlessly went south in a hurry! 

 

IMHO there's a significant difference between rod holders that work best for HD muskie trolling and those that works best for Salmon or lighter duty because of the difference in tackle… unquestionably muskie tackle is larger, heavier, and the drags are set tighter, particularly when large muskies are the target.  

 

I have some experience with the Scotty style rod holders having used that style in my boat for a few years early on... they worked ok.  However, I also found it unnecessarily difficult to remove the rod with a tight drag/heavy pressure because of the way you have to fish the rod handle out of the holder…  not a simple lift like with a DE (at least it's simple for most people :) .

 

I could see the Scotty not being a problem if you are running lighter drags likeTodd says (or for Salmon), but when you are pulling large lures with 7/0 hooks on large boards with tight drags… well, running a light drag is really not an option.   

 

DEs are not something "new", and in IMHO certainly not antiquated... more along the lines of battle tested if you consider the strong endorsements by guys on this thread who have literally thousands of hours and hundreds of 50” muskies on them (verses the bashing of those with limited experience with a DE ).  Never used a rod leash, never fished with anyone who has, and they're certainly not needed... picking on a guy who decided to use one is lame and pointless.

 

I say to each their own and I think there's a legitimate argument that rod trees and tubes should also be a consideration for multi-rod muskie setups... pretty sure we would be using a rod tree if running 9-12 rods  most of the time 

 

This set up doesn't look "PD" to me - and another vote for the Fat AZ product line with DEs.




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Zinox
Posted 9/21/2018 1:59 PM (#918958 - in reply to #917343)
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When People say the DE's breaks what happens ,does the rod go swimming, or is it when pulling the rod out?
Wood_Duck
Posted 9/21/2018 2:14 PM (#918962 - in reply to #918958)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders





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Location: Tennessee
Zinox - 9/21/2018 2:59 PM

When People say the DE's breaks what happens ,does the rod go swimming, or is it when pulling the rod out?


I’ve saw one torque over on a snag with moderate drag pressure and break one of the “fingers” off. No lost rod but I suppose it’s always possible. I think it’s more frustrating than anything , especially for a metal rod holder which folks anticipated would be stronger and indestructible. I know several others with similar experiences. I think it may be more some inconsistencies with the casting process of the alloy. Castings can be extremely strong but if there are any inperfections one day they will show themselves.
ToddM
Posted 9/21/2018 4:45 PM (#918974 - in reply to #917343)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders





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Location: oswego, il
What is the process for putting a boat cover on with a system like that?
Pat Hoolihan
Posted 9/21/2018 5:10 PM (#918981 - in reply to #918974)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders




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ToddM - 9/21/2018 4:45 PM

What is the process for putting a boat cover on with a system like that?


Boat cover?!?!?! People use those still?
jonnysled
Posted 9/21/2018 5:48 PM (#918986 - in reply to #918932)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders





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Location: minocqua, wi.
JakeStCroixSkis - 9/21/2018 8:48 AM

jonnysled - 9/21/2018 9:17 AM

i'm imagining a salmon charter with all their rods leashed ... and then a double or a triple goes off ...


No, this probably would not be ideal. If i was trolling with $6 spoons I probably would not give a crap either.


i thought you were worried about the rod an reel? terminal tackle is where you'll loose a bait, no? why not just have rod holders that hold the rod reliably?
ToddM
Posted 9/21/2018 6:21 PM (#918990 - in reply to #918981)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders





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Location: oswego, il
Pat Hoolihan - 9/21/2018 5:10 PM

ToddM - 9/21/2018 4:45 PM

What is the process for putting a boat cover on with a system like that?


Boat cover?!?!?! People use those still?


I always use a boat cover.
Pat Hoolihan
Posted 9/21/2018 9:00 PM (#919006 - in reply to #917343)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders




Posts: 386


Hugh, imagine that.
JakeStCroixSkis
Posted 9/22/2018 7:04 AM (#919013 - in reply to #918945)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders





Posts: 1425


Location: St. Lawrence River
RyanJoz - 9/21/2018 12:05 PM

JakeStCroixSkis - 9/21/2018 8:48 AM

jonnysled - 9/21/2018 9:17 AM

i'm imagining a salmon charter with all their rods leashed ... and then a double or a triple goes off ...


No, this probably would not be ideal. If i was trolling with $6 spoons I probably would not give a crap either.


so is it the $6 spoon/$35 bait or the $600 rod/reel you're worried about? it seems like the story changes here in this thread... leashes are dumb and get in the way no matter what holder system you choose to use. the opinions of some will never be changed and I get that. I fully believe the quote from above that DE's are the PD motors of the past.


I literally said “rod/reel/bait.” Can you not read, honestly? How is the story changing?

I am usually running a DK FF or a hoser or a sniper, which is why I am worried about the bait. They are not only expensive but painstakingly difficult to obtain. This is what I was getting at when I said if I were trolling a $6 spoon I may not care..

I use what I use. Same as everyone else. Fish on.
JakeStCroixSkis
Posted 9/22/2018 7:11 AM (#919014 - in reply to #918986)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders





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Location: St. Lawrence River
jonnysled - 9/21/2018 6:48 PM

JakeStCroixSkis - 9/21/2018 8:48 AM

jonnysled - 9/21/2018 9:17 AM

i'm imagining a salmon charter with all their rods leashed ... and then a double or a triple goes off ...


No, this probably would not be ideal. If i was trolling with $6 spoons I probably would not give a crap either.


i thought you were worried about the rod an reel? terminal tackle is where you'll loose a bait, no? why not just have rod holders that hold the rod reliably?


Yeah, terminal tackle will lose you a bait, but if a rod and reel go in the drink never to be recovered, will that bait not be equally as lost?

I wrote $600 rod/reel/bait ..$600 would be a rough total outfit, for arguments sake. Rod/reel/bait. As I have already stated, and not changed???

You don’t have to use a leash I’m not trying to sell them lol..
JakeStCroixSkis
Posted 9/22/2018 7:22 AM (#919015 - in reply to #918940)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders





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Location: St. Lawrence River
nar160 - 9/21/2018 11:05 AM

^ The attachment point at the rear of the rod in your pic above - what is that exactly? Electrical taped on metal ring?


The 200lb ring is bound tightly to the rod using 550 paracord then taped over. It is extremely secure.
Jerry Newman
Posted 9/22/2018 9:35 AM (#919042 - in reply to #918974)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders




Location: 31

ToddM - 9/21/2018 4:45 PM What is the process for putting a boat cover on with a system like that?

If you use the Fat AZ rail mounts with the DEs they can be easily rotated inside the boat by just loosening and re-tightening a couple of the hex socket bolts. I was honestly a little skeptical that the Fat AZs would stay locked on the rails, but after a couple of seasons can report the design is 100% rock solid, and the hex headed bolts are an improvement over the original DE coin slot bolts.

However, I don't like to fiddle around with anything to get the boat cover on/off either, so I had my travel cover revamped with pockets that fit over the rear rails and holders. It cost about $100 to have this done, but then the cover is really locked in place. For those with Ranger Fisherman Series, you can then cut off the travel cover belly strap :).

I also like the way the Fat AZ rail stanchions keep the DE pockets from coming in contact with the gunwale by raising the DEs up, Fat AZ can also make the stanchions any length you like too. Check out the taller tube stanchion on the picture from Lucky Craft, that is a sweet set-up.

 




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supertrollr
Posted 9/25/2018 6:41 PM (#919381 - in reply to #917343)
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have never seen a single one of my salty that broken after 25 years of trolling.
pklingen
Posted 9/26/2018 1:03 PM (#919448 - in reply to #919381)
Subject: Re: Trolling rod holders




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Location: NE Ohio
supertrollr - 9/25/2018 7:41 PM

have never seen a single one of my salty that broken after 25 years of trolling.



i second that!
ToddM
Posted 9/26/2018 6:10 PM (#919481 - in reply to #917343)
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Location: oswego, il
Never had a single one of my scotty's break in 20 years of trolling.