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Location: Minnesota. | I've searched and read one topic regarding barb pinching pro/cons so I'm curious for those who fish alone a lot of the time, if you prefer to pinch your barbs down on your trebles?
I do and doubt it's cost me fish just from that point alone but what made me decide, (besides watching out for my hands) is that oftentimes a fish will take a bait deep, especially a bucktail.
It's a bit rough handling a fish and going in thru the gill cover to unhook her if you're fishing solo, more so if the hooks are barbed. I'm concerned enough to pinch 'em. I also tend to worry too much...but I've had some tough experiences even w/a boat partner so trying to help myself as much as possible here...
This came up b/c I'm switching up all my bucktails and started to pinch 'em all...
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| Worse case you lose a fish you were going to release anyway. A few choice words and on you go again. I'm more a Pike guy then Muskie but the release principals are the same. Anything thats good for the fish and keeps me from burying a barb in my finger has to be a good thing. |
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn | I pinch most of mine basically because of fishing solo.
I can't say it's cost me any fish.
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| I gotta admit, the worst days of my life since... Well, the 60's... Have been those days where it occurs to me that "****. I gotta go to the god #*^@ hospital!"
Even if you lose half your fish to going barbless, from where I sit it's worth it. |
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | Nope. Have never pinched one, and think it’s entirely unnecessary. Have good tools, and be careful...shouldn’t be any issues |
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Location: Waukee, IA | No, never seemed worth it to risk losing fish. Proper tools are all you need
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Location: Ames, Iowa | Pair of Knipex, long necked pliers- maybe a pair of linesman pliers- and a holding pen net is all you probably need.
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| I've been pinching them down for years, no problem. A sharp point is much more important than a barb. Also when they get it deep it really saves some fish. |
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Location: oswego, il | Worst case would be fishing alone and you become hooked to a fish. Make sure everything you need is in very close proximity that can be reached by either hand.
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| Used to keep my knipex in my back pocket where I could easily reach them with my right hand. Smart, right? Try reaching them there with your left hand when you've got your head in the net... |
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Location: SE Wisc | I haven’t started pinching although I think it would make the job a lot easier and safer. I had a hell of a time pushing a barbed 6/0 through my hand to be able to cut and remove. It’s happened twice, both with Suicks. |
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Location: Minnesota. | Ciscokid82 - 5/26/2018 9:34 PM
I haven’t started pinching although I think it would make the job a lot easier and safer. I had a hell of a time pushing a barbed 6/0 through my hand to be able to cut and remove. It’s happened twice, both with Suicks.
You be one tough lil' hombre'...
Thanks for all the replies ladies.
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| I need to think about this, really had not considered. As a retired guy who fishes alone most of the time, I probably should do this. Last summer I brought a small muskie to the boat, thought the crank bait just had one hook in side of mouth. Reached down with a long needle nose and snapped it out. Unfortunately, there was also a hook on the other side, bottom of jaw. Fish flipped and a hook buried itself in the back of my thumb near the base. I was lucky in that the point stuck in the bone and the barb was not under the skin. I had a lump on my thumb for over a month but would have been much worse if that barb had gone under the skin. |
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| when i was fishing barbless it was a real pleasure for me and the fish.but as soon as you lost one you you start to blame the barbless treble was it a fact or not we can never know.since im using almost exclusively owner st-36 i feel no need to pinch them because they are just the right size to make sure the fish will stay pinned,they are a lot more smaller than the others and unhook really easy. and smaller barbs make better hookset |
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Location: FIB land | Great thread.. very good food for thought. Thanks |
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Location: oswego, il | If you do decide to pinch a Barb, make sure she isn't into mma. You might catch an elbow, flying knee but if you are lucky, rear naked choke. |
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Location: Waukee, IA | That dude is HUGE! |
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Location: Pewaukee, WI | Pinched barbs will penetrate a Musky's tough mouth more easily then a barbed hook! Try passing the point of a barbed hook through a a piece of corrugated cardboard. Then do the same thing with a pinched barb hook. You'll see how much easier it is to pass the barbless hook into and through the material. The secret to keeping the fish hooked is to simply keep tension on the line. |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Barbless (pinched) is definitely better for both fish & fisherman. The hook is not coming out unless you give her slack. Rod tip action and how you fight the fish is everything. Get the net! + 30 years. Crap happens, lost my biggest fish on a weedless spoon w/ a barb (only lure I don't pinch), rod had to stiff of tip action...xxx Heavy 9' St. Croix. Great rod, my fault! I wasn't ready when she went airborne, I gave her the slack she needed.
I have had to cut hooks, even with pinched barbs, one fish had all three hook shanks pinning her mouth completely shut!
Have fun!
Al
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| bigbite 100% true.i was talking about vs the other brand with barbs like the 3551. plasma point by mi also have a lil barb that is offering lil resistance |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | I think pinched is similar to the little barbs, e.g., the pinched "bump" helps hold it in.
Everyone has their own preferences. If I changed all my hooks out it would be very time consuming and costly. Too me, it's not worth it.
Have fun!
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| ESOX Maniac - 6/4/2018 10:43 AM
I think pinched is similar to the little barbs, e.g., the pinched "bump" helps hold it in.
Everyone has their own preferences. If I changed all my hooks out it would be very time consuming and costly. Too me, it's not worth it.
Have fun!
Al
Actually after I'm done pinching it down "w lineman's pliers" the barb often just break off. I don't have to switch hooks out. All it takes is seconds/treble.
I balance and switch out hooks on some baits. That's a bit of a pain i.e.: Owner for Eagle.
I started pinching down bards years ago. It was a combination of reason's: trying to be more green w released fish and getting a few 3/0's in the hand.
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Location: Minnesota. | I also changed over to mostly 8/0 and 10/0 trebles of late except on my Suicks where the heavier hooks may muck up the action, not sure there.
But another reason why I remain barbless! |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | NPike. Agree-same here, some break, then you have a similar situation as mini barb. Basically, I don't see loss of a fish as a disaster, versus fast release and no worries fishing alone. Fortunately, I haven't been hooked up to a fish since I started pinching the barbs. That's why I started doing it back in mid-80's, e.g., hooked up to a large smallie on a Canadian Fly-in. When you have a green fish and hooks buried into your hand to the bone, its pretty painful. I pulled the hook out by brute force, after my partner got the fish off, my fishing partner was a whiter shade of pale and wouldn't pull it for me. He held my hand down on a Canadian rock & I pulled it out, I still have the scar 30 years latter. LOL! A couple of wraps of electrical tape & I was back after the smallies. Today I have all kinds of release tools & first-aid kit readily available +Loctite super glue.
Everyone has opinions, I like easy release of both the fish and myself.
Have fun!
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| Only ones I've pinched are on those baits with fixed hooks and treble hooks (bulldawgs, some glides, etc.). I pinch the hooks that aren't on split rings. Gets messy when you end up hooking the top and bottom jaws with no give, and barbs on both. Baker T hookouts have saved me lots of trouble and time. |
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Location: North Bergen,New Jersey | I vote for gami big river hooks.
I'm also a fan of buying barbed hooks and pinching them. The gami barbs snap off and leave a little burr. Not a barb... a burr.
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| Had a high-30's run a 7/0 through the back of my hand a few years ago. Pinched all my barbs. Lost a big fish shortly after and got back on the barb train.
Now if a fish looks dangerous I just start cutting hooks. 7/0 mustads are a heck of a lot cheaper than a trip to the ER, and a heck of a lot less heartbreaking than asking yourself "what if" for the next 10 years. |
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Location: 31 | Whether you pinch barbs or not, I still highly recommend wearing on a welders type glove that also helps to protect your wrist while unhooking even a skimpy pike. I cringe whenever I watch a video of somebody reaching into the net with bare hand - for any reason. If you release enough of them in that manner it's not a matter of if - it's when.
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| I carry one of those little baseball bats. One good whonk on the head and they calm right down. Makes unhooking them a breeze. They never seem to release well afterwards, though... |
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| lol it's better than me i was sure the knipex was to remove all there teeth |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | I've been pinching and/or filing barbs on pike and musky baits for a few years, but have never gone "flat", zero barb. On baits with treble hooks, I started off pinching one, then went to two.
I just started fishing from a kayak (don't own a powered boat) and that presents some serious challenges. Back in mid-May, on my first trip to a trophy fishery for tiger musky, I had a scary boat-side ordeal with a decent low 40s fish. It hit an 8 inch glide bait with sticky-sharp 3x strong VMC trebles. None of the barbs had been pinched or filed down. The front treble was in the mouth, near the tip of the upper jaw. The rear treble was outside the mouth, hooked in the thick muscle at the throat-latch. Once I had her boat-side, I had to use the stiffness of the rod to keep her from potentially landing on an arm, leg, hand, or-----IN MY LAP! She settled down long enough for me to pop the hooks free. When I got home that evening, I started mashing and filing barbs on more baits, usually leaving a small "bump". On a few baits, I've left a slightly larger "bump" on one of the 3 prongs. Just over a week ago, I fished another lake for the first time and caught a nice mid-40s tiger on a different 8" glide bait. This one comes with 3 sets of trebles, so I'd removed the middle treble (thank God!) and had pinched / filed the remaining barbs as previously described. This time I was able to hold her by the throat-latch and get her unbuttoned more quickly. HOWEVER, on my first attempt she jumped and one prong from the rear treble punched through the port-side adjustment strap for my seat. Waaaay to close. As luck would have it, the prong that caught the strap had the slightly larger "bump". I had to mash it flatter just to back the hook out of the strap.
Change is afoot. I'm not ready to go completely "flat" barbless, but I'm reducing all barbs to a small "bump". A good fish handling glove is in order, too. Ultimately, I have to develop a system for transporting a large landing net. |
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| Seems to me that each guy and his PARTNERS need to define what’s a caught fish. I’m prone to let a poorly hooked fish shake off and consider it a caught fish. One particular FIB partner of mine likes to say I didn’t catch it. If you have a reasonable enough partner to allow that any hooked fish is a caught fish, then I say go barbless. I’d say the better the angler, the fewer fish go into the net! |
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