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| Owner of Wayzata bait and tackle was on channel 5 news in support of bill sf3319. Never knew he was anti muskie. They have a Facebook page. You know what to do. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i'm sure that will continue to spread the message ...
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| Not sure exactly what you're trying to say or maybe my post wasn't clear. I just wanted to let everyone know as a lot of people go there for suckers in the fall. Also you can leave a rating and comment on Facebook to let more people know. Don't see the harm in that? |
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Location: Minnesota | Yea seen that on the news tonight I'll go elsewhere |
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| The guy just sank his business. I only ever went ther for suckers in an emergency because the guy is a jerk and plays favorites. What I mean by that is he had plenty of tanks and suckers in the back that he was saving for other people. A fool and his money soon will part. Won't miss that store one bit. |
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| Their Facebook page is getting savaged by everyone right now. It really is a magical sight to behold. I gave the shop a scathing review but a five star rating so it would appear front and center on the page. |
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| Ravaged so badly that he must have taken down his Facebook page |
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| I can't find the page either... I bet he is wishing he would have considered thee consequences of that statement
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| If you are not satisfied with his facebook page, you can always write a review on YELP as well. Plenty of people use that website to find information, and his business has a review-able page. |
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| He has been a closet musky hater for a long time. It has never made sense to me, he certainly doesn't mind taking our money. The stupidity to go public like this is really impressive given that his competition isn't that far away. All you can do is let him know your views via your wallets. Patronize other stores, it isn't like he offers anything unique other than location.
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| I wonder what other non Muskie anglers think when they read some of the yelp reviews calling him a jerk because he supports this bill.
I have never shopped there and would not know about this business w/o this thread. In addition to suckers in the fall does he have a lot of other Muskie tackle? If everyone who reads this post stopped buying from him he may get tired of looking at it after a few years. |
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Location: MN | Very disappointing - this is basically my neighborhood bait shop. I've bought bait, maps, misc tackle there several times and had them repair three rods. Left negative reviews on FB, Google, and Yelp. Will never go there again.
Reviews can make a difference. Most people use google to find places of business. Also, not their customer base is not the general public, and not every muskie person visits M1 or the muskie flea market.
It is important is that every muskie fisherman who searches for a bait shop in the area (1) sees a low rating that causes concern and (2) when they look at the reviews because of the low overall rating, they see it is because he is anti-muskie.
It is also important that other anglers who do the same are aware of the larger significance of this fight - that he sided with political pressure from home owners over the judgment of the DNR.
In my mind, Google > Yelp > Facebook as far as review significance goes. The FB page is down now anyway. |
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Location: The desert | It'd be more fun to go load up a sizable amount of tackle on the counter, have him ring it all up, then suddenly "remember" his words. Put him on the spot, then walk out. |
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| Pointerpride102 - 3/27/2018 10:13 AM
It'd be more fun to go load up a sizable amount of tackle on the counter, have him ring it all up, then suddenly "remember" his words. Put him on the spot, then walk out.
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| I'll truly miss spending $50 for suckers this fall only to watch them die in 30 minutes because they grab the side-floaters first and refuse to let you pick your bait.... Good riddance |
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Location: Aurora | Boy-O-Boy are you guys gonna feel bad when you find out that muskies kilt his family or sumfin. I think that's him.. back left with the captain's hat..
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| Pointerpride102 - 3/27/2018 10:13 AM
It'd be more fun to go load up a sizable amount of tackle on the counter, have him ring it all up, then suddenly "remember" his words. Put him on the spot, then walk out.
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Location: deephaven mn | I know Thorne Bothers used to send the reels the got dropped off a their place for repair to Wayzata Bait to do the work.
So if Thornes still offers that service you may want to ask who does the repairs.
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Location: oswego, il | You could also call them in a lengthy phone call looking for a lure info ect and then end the call, sorry i have to go now. |
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Location: Smith Creek | Looks like Thornes has weighed in on the issue.
Capra's, Joe's, Reed's, Blue Ribbon, Mike's Bait have not. If I lived in MN I'd be curious to know where they stand on the issue before I patronized them.
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| Flambeauski - 3/28/2018 8:50 AM
Looks like Thornes has weighed in on the issue.
Capra's, Joe's, Reed's, Blue Ribbon, Mike's Bait have not. If I lived in MN I'd be curious to know where they stand on the issue before I patronized them.
I can't speak for the rest but I can almost guarantee Blue Ribbon is opposed to the bill... |
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| How did Thorne Bros. weigh in? I doubt any vendors that were at the Muskie Expo could be for this bill. Question is what are they doing about it? My guess is Reed's carries more weight in their neck of the woods than the other do in the Cities. |
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| Pepper - 3/28/2018 9:42 AM
How did Thorne Bros. weigh in? I doubt any vendors that were at the Muskie Expo could be for this bill. Question is what are they doing about it? My guess is Reed's carries more weight in their neck of the woods than the other do in the Cities.
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Location: Almond, WI | Thorne Bros Facebook page "Please help our Minnesota Musky fishery! Contact your Senator and State Representative to stop this anti-musky law. This goes deeper than Muskies and will open up a path for policies to be dictated by fear mongering and not sound science and research."--followed with links to find/contact your representative and a link to the Star Tribune article. |
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Location: Smith Creek | What Tyler said.
As far as I'm concerned if these bait shops that profit off the muskie fishery aren't publicly against these bills they are for them.
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Location: Minnesota. | Baby Mallard - 3/27/2018 8:09 PM
Thorne Bros. does their own repairs on reels now. I was in there about a month ago and asked them if W.B. still did the repairs because I wasn't impressed the one time I had W.B. work on my reels. I was told Thorne Bros. has their own employee who is certified from Shimano who does all the reel repairs now.
Last time I was in Thornes for some reel repair (over a year, plus now) they had an Asian fellow who was behind the counter and he was very polite and straight-forward about trying to help me and he tried his best but my reel was not to be fixed! Something was not replaceable and he told me that. Did a good job of trying though even so and I'd take my stuff to him if not for Richard here on the forum.
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Location: Madison, WI | Aaron from MTO has come out strongly supporting the science and opposing the bill |
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| I don’t think I need to provide proof of musky loyalty to anyone here, and have argued with several of Minnesota’s musky haters on sites No longer even seen on the net. But, honestly, this thread makes me uncomfortable. It’s too tribal for me. Some guy says something we don’t agree with, and we won’t shop in his store. Maybe we should take our kids out of his kids School? Maybe chase his family out of town. Then the Coke CEO says something and I have to drink Pepsi. Well, I don’t like Pepsi. And, I don’t like Wendy’s. Gee, I just don’t need to know who you voted for or what is the maximum magazine size you approve of in order to buy a bobber. I would go to the guys store, buy something, and spend some time explaining how uncomfortable I am with his position, maybe suggest that it might make it less likely I’d return. In other words, attempt a conversion, avoid a confrontation. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Junkman - 3/29/2018 7:50 AM
I don’t think I need to provide proof of musky loyalty to anyone here, and have argued with several of Minnesota’s musky haters on sites No longer even seen on the net. But, honestly, this thread makes me uncomfortable. It’s too tribal for me. Some guy says something we don’t agree with, and we won’t shop in his store. Maybe we should take our kids out of his kids School? Maybe chase his family out of town. Then the Coke CEO says something and I have to drink Pepsi. Well, I don’t like Pepsi. And, I don’t like Wendy’s. Gee, I just don’t need to know who you voted for or what is the maximum magazine size you approve of in order to buy a bobber. I would go to the guys store, buy something, and spend some time explaining how uncomfortable I am with his position, maybe suggest that it might make it less likely I’d return. In other words, attempt a conversion, avoid a confrontation.
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| I didn't see anyone suggestion torches and pitchforks or a million musky man march. I kinda question why the owner would feel strongly enough to take his stance of the TV news. But it's his opinion and if others feel a boycott is needed than that is their right. |
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| Junkman - 3/29/2018 7:50 AM
I don’t think I need to provide proof of musky loyalty to anyone here, and have argued with several of Minnesota’s musky haters on sites No longer even seen on the net. But, honestly, this thread makes me uncomfortable. It’s too tribal for me. Some guy says something we don’t agree with, and we won’t shop in his store. Maybe we should take our kids out of his kids School? Maybe chase his family out of town. Then the Coke CEO says something and I have to drink Pepsi. Well, I don’t like Pepsi. And, I don’t like Wendy’s. Gee, I just don’t need to know who you voted for or what is the maximum magazine size you approve of in order to buy a bobber. I would go to the guys store, buy something, and spend some time explaining how uncomfortable I am with his position, maybe suggest that it might make it less likely I’d return. In other words, attempt a conversion, avoid a confrontation.
Happens everywhere these days. Picking sides is the direction the world is going. Pretty sad. It's also my choice to not shop at the establishment. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | my point is to do things in a way in which you don't represent what the opposition is defining in you or your position. stand above it and stick to the facts without getting into the gutter or becoming the mob. be attractive to those who aren't understanding but have a say with their votes. unfortunately in some things it's not about right or wrong but what is more appealing and don't match drama with drama. |
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| Junkman - 3/29/2018 7:50 AM
I don’t think I need to provide proof of musky loyalty to anyone here, and have argued with several of Minnesota’s musky haters on sites No longer even seen on the net. But, honestly, this thread makes me uncomfortable. It’s too tribal for me. Some guy says something we don’t agree with, and we won’t shop in his store. Maybe we should take our kids out of his kids School? Maybe chase his family out of town. Then the Coke CEO says something and I have to drink Pepsi. Well, I don’t like Pepsi. And, I don’t like Wendy’s. Gee, I just don’t need to know who you voted for or what is the maximum magazine size you approve of in order to buy a bobber. I would go to the guys store, buy something, and spend some time explaining how uncomfortable I am with his position, maybe suggest that it might make it less likely I’d return. In other words, attempt a conversion, avoid a confrontation. My thought is that he already knows that he is making a lot of muskie customers uncomfortable and he's ok with that. If he doesn't know he is offending a bunch of potential customers, he's not very smart. |
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| Junkman - 3/29/2018 7:50 AM
I don’t think I need to provide proof of musky loyalty to anyone here, and have argued with several of Minnesota’s musky haters on sites No longer even seen on the net. But, honestly, this thread makes me uncomfortable. It’s too tribal for me. Some guy says something we don’t agree with, and we won’t shop in his store. Maybe we should take our kids out of his kids School? Maybe chase his family out of town. Then the Coke CEO says something and I have to drink Pepsi. Well, I don’t like Pepsi. And, I don’t like Wendy’s. Gee, I just don’t need to know who you voted for or what is the maximum magazine size you approve of in order to buy a bobber. I would go to the guys store, buy something, and spend some time explaining how uncomfortable I am with his position, maybe suggest that it might make it less likely I’d return. In other words, attempt a conversion, avoid a confrontation.
I felt the same way Junkman. I hear a lot of "look at the science or data" on this site concerning this issue, which is appropriate, but also see an awful lot of arguments on this site that ignores a lot of those same data or science in other areas....it is all about world view and who's ox is being gored. As noted in other responses, it isn't as much about trying to beat someone over the head with your view or the data (actually research shows that has the opposite effect) but rather taking a second to understand someone else's world views as a way to understand how we might need to approach/discuss this conversation in a different fashion.
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| Junkman - 3/29/2018 7:50 AM
I don’t think I need to provide proof of musky loyalty to anyone here, and have argued with several of Minnesota’s musky haters on sites No longer even seen on the net. But, honestly, this thread makes me uncomfortable. It’s too tribal for me. Some guy says something we don’t agree with, and we won’t shop in his store. Maybe we should take our kids out of his kids School? Maybe chase his family out of town. Then the Coke CEO says something and I have to drink Pepsi. Well, I don’t like Pepsi. And, I don’t like Wendy’s. Gee, I just don’t need to know who you voted for or what is the maximum magazine size you approve of in order to buy a bobber. I would go to the guys store, buy something, and spend some time explaining how uncomfortable I am with his position, maybe suggest that it might make it less likely I’d return. In other words, attempt a conversion, avoid a confrontation.
Let him make a go of it with bass, northern pike, walleye, and panfish customers and see how it goes. You honestly feel uncomfortable NOT spending your hard earned money with a guy who has no problem trying to eliminate opportunities for you to pursue your passion? The guy had to take down his facebook page. If he hasn't figured it out by now no future conversation is going to change his mind. Junkman, do you provide financial support to candidates you are NOT going to vote for? |
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| I don't think Junkman is talking about needing to support this guy, but a broader response to this whole issue. Polarizing the issue further probably does little good, especially for us that love to musky fish, because like it or not, we are a pretty small community in the scheme of things.
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Location: Waconia, MN | Conservation Guy - 3/29/2018 9:36 AM
I don't think Junkman is talking about needing to support this guy, but a broader response to this whole issue. Polarizing the issue further probably does little good, especially for us that love to musky fish, because like it or not, we are a pretty small community in the scheme of things.
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Location: Waukee, IA | In a rare turn of events, I agree with Sled. The tribal "my side, or die" attitude in this country is getting out of control and it has crippled our ability to communicate about important issues. It's a new age schism |
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Location: MN | Cfollow - 3/29/2018 9:19 AM
Junkman - 3/29/2018 7:50 AM
I don’t think I need to provide proof of musky loyalty to anyone here, and have argued with several of Minnesota’s musky haters on sites No longer even seen on the net. But, honestly, this thread makes me uncomfortable. It’s too tribal for me. Some guy says something we don’t agree with, and we won’t shop in his store. Maybe we should take our kids out of his kids School? Maybe chase his family out of town. Then the Coke CEO says something and I have to drink Pepsi. Well, I don’t like Pepsi. And, I don’t like Wendy’s. Gee, I just don’t need to know who you voted for or what is the maximum magazine size you approve of in order to buy a bobber. I would go to the guys store, buy something, and spend some time explaining how uncomfortable I am with his position, maybe suggest that it might make it less likely I’d return. In other words, attempt a conversion, avoid a confrontation.
Let him make a go of it with bass, northern pike, walleye, and panfish customers and see how it goes. You honestly feel uncomfortable NOT spending your hard earned money with a guy who has no problem trying to eliminate opportunities for you to pursue your passion? The guy had to take down his facebook page. If he hasn't figured it out by now no future conversation is going to change his mind. Junkman, do you provide financial support to candidates you are NOT going to vote for?
^ absolutely agree.
This is not just some uncle of yours who holds different beliefs. This guy got on TV as an expert witness to fight against the stocking of muskies and to perpetuate the very ideas that stir up fear in the people rallying so hard against the DNR. This is not a young naive person, nor a casual angler or lake user - this is a person whose life has revolved around fishing for decades. As stated, if he hasn't figured it out by now no conversation is going to change his mind.
Social and economic pressure is the only (legal) way to deal with people like this. As to the other comments, removing your kids from his kids' school applies zero pressure, running his family out of town is overstepping by a long shot, and this two man operation is also a lot different than a giant corporation with revolving CEOs.
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I get it we can all sit down and have a town hall meeting, fireside chat, moderated debate and we can try and win the hearts and minds of the opposition in the marketplace of ideas. We can shake hands and hug afterward and slap each other on the back for how mature that solution was, but in the end this bill is moving forward RIGHT NOW. I would rather fight dirty now while we still have an actual muskie stocking program in place. The opposition is NOT going to table this legislation while we try and win their hearts and minds. Time to wake up to the reality of the situation. |
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| Good luck with that approach then. Like I said, you think the VAST majority of politicians, business people, lake front owners, and even other fisherman are fearful of one of the smallest, most niche sports out there (musky fishing)? I see constant in-fighting within the sport of fishing itself let alone with those that don't see value in the outdoors. We need to be building alliances because as we have seen, attempting to put out these brush fires is not a one time thing. |
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| What is the goal of publicly berating this man's business by leaving hostile negative reviews on social platforms?
Is it to hurt his business and possibly put him out of business.
Is it to pressure him into changing his stance on muskie stocking.
If either of these actually happen (they won't), how does that help the muskie community?
The way I see it is the muskie mob out with pitchforks & torches ready to end anyone who is against us. If this mans business were to suffer, then we just gave our already emotional opposition the perfect martyr. |
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Location: Southwest PA | My mum boycotted dollar tree when I was 4 because their restrooms were for employees only and I needed to take a leak. Well, I ended up peeing on their building and a couple decades later, I still don't get what that actually accomplished. Sure it felt good and was amusing to my 4 year old self, but I'm fairly positive it rained an hour afterwards. |
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Location: Elk River, MN | tswoboda - 3/29/2018 10:56 AM
What is the goal of publicly berating this man's business by leaving hostile negative reviews on social platforms?
Is it to hurt his business and possibly put him out of business.
Is it to pressure him into changing his stance on muskie stocking.
If either of these actually happen (they won't), how does that help the muskie community?
The way I see it is the muskie mob out with pitchforks & torches ready to end anyone who is against us. If this mans business were to suffer, then we just gave our already emotional opposition the perfect martyr.
I get what you're saying, but what is the goal of him publicly berating the muskie fishery?
Is it to hurt the fisherman's interests and leave them without lakes to fish?
Is it to pressure the state's stance on muskie stocking?
If either of those happen, how does this help his business? |
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| tswoboda - 3/29/2018 10:56 AM
What is the goal of publicly berating this man's business by leaving hostile negative reviews on social platforms?
Is it to hurt his business and possibly put him out of business.
Is it to pressure him into changing his stance on muskie stocking.
If either of these actually happen (they won't), how does that help the muskie community?
The way I see it is the muskie mob out with pitchforks & torches ready to end anyone who is against us. If this mans business were to suffer, then we just gave our already emotional opposition the perfect martyr.
A martyr? By telling other muskie guys to not buy products from a person who is actively trying to destroy the sport that they love we are creating a martyr? He is just making a really poor business decision. If his business fails, it is because he alienated enough of his customers that it put him under. Not anyones fault but his own.
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Location: Elk River, MN | jonnysled - 3/29/2018 11:18 AM
seems i saw that the plan of the business owner is to close after this year already due to a demolition and reconstruction of the location he's in ... could be he's just singing his retirement swan song. doesn't look like he's going to be influenced much on what he says ...
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No way he will be influenced.
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| Espy - 3/29/2018 11:05 AM I get what you're saying, but what is the goal of him publicly berating the muskie fishery? Is it to hurt the fisherman's interests and leave them without lakes to fish? Is it to pressure the state's stance on muskie stocking? If either of those happen, how does this help his business? Could be that he is trolling the muskie community knowing the the hostile response he would get from so many keyboard warriors on FB. It would not take much for the opposition to compile a few examples of muskie supporters FB comments and turn a lot of people against our community. Reading some comments is flat out embarrassing to be associated with that crowd and does nothing to help our cause. I highly doubt the guy had this much intelligence and foresight to make his comments based on that. Most likely he was simply speaking his mind without thinking of the backlash or any goals at all. At which point many members of the muskie community have sunk to his level and decided to "fight fire with fire" - Seems to me that usually doesn't turn out well. Acting out of impulse and emotion is not the way to accomplish political goals. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | it's an easy target for sure ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i2rlymfLbE
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| At a certain point, doesnt it seem like he is treating muskie anglers like "Stanley" and trying to get away with as much as he can without it affecting his business? Shouldnt it start to do so? Regardless of if he is closing up shop or not,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA89H8CgLTQ
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Location: deephaven mn | i think he is voicing his opinion in support of regular customers who fish walleyes, crappies and sunfish and buy live bait and tackle from him on a pretty consistent basis. His comments however are similar to those of the lake associations people and maybe not as factual as it seams in their minds. He talks about Muskies upsetting the balance and doesn't mention the human part of upsetting the balance which is a greater problem then Muskies. Minnetonka does not have any special regulations or slot limits on walleyes which means that walleye numbers are where the DNR thinks they should be.
Muskies where introduced in Minnetonka as a solution to the small sized sunfish problem. There are millions of adult sunfish that are small. This is a genetic issue. Part of Muskies stocking is one of intent and hope to help reestablish balance in the size of the sunfish. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | I dropped off a reel to be fixed 6 yrs ago in December (just a cleaning and new spring) at this place , and it took 90 days to get it back haven't been back since..
He's entitled to his stance on this issue.... and I really don't think he thought he was in the wrong.
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | jonnysled - 3/30/2018 6:40 AM
*judgement
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| Top H2O - 3/30/2018 11:07 AM jonnysled - 3/30/2018 6:40 AM *judgement Thanks...That's what happens when you only have a High School Edgamacation. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/judgment http://grammarist.com/spelling/judgment-judgement/
My judgment is either way is correct. You be the judg.
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| I have seen many posts opposing this bill.
Thorne Bros, Team Rhino Outdoors, Musky Mayhem, MuskyFrenzy, Lindners, Musky Tackle Online, Kramer Bros, just to name a few.
I think the Musky community is rallying nicely over this.
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Thanks a lot Sled. I just spent 15 minutes watching Jim's best pranks on Dwight... or should I thank the Wayzata bait shop owner? Pun intended.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. If you all quack like said duck, you're also being a duck guys. Lots of validity to polarized society, but we won't win over the legislators not already polarized by being ducks.
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| T.Carlson - 3/30/2018 2:38 PM
I have seen many posts opposing this bill.
Thorne Bros, Team Rhino Outdoors, Musky Mayhem, MuskyFrenzy, Lindners, Musky Tackle Online, Kramer Bros, just to name a few.
I think the Musky community is rallying nicely over this.
Do you follow anything not in support of muskies? If not you're only confirming your own bias. Social media problems >>> confirmation bias.
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Location: Ashland WI | ARmuskyaddict - 3/30/2018 4:18 PM
T.Carlson - 3/30/2018 2:38 PM
I have seen many posts opposing this bill.
Thorne Bros, Team Rhino Outdoors, Musky Mayhem, MuskyFrenzy, Lindners, Musky Tackle Online, Kramer Bros, just to name a few.
I think the Musky community is rallying nicely over this.
Do you follow anything not in support of muskies? If not you're only confirming your own bias. Social media problems >>> confirmation bias.
How do you gather that from his post? |
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| Geez... It was a question, ya know rhetorical almost based on citing musky lure companies. Good lord.
Personally, I know more people opposed to musky stocking. I'm from Northern MN originally. I don't act like a Richard to them. |
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I was pointing out the companies that I have seen take a stand against this Proposed bill on social media.
That's all.
There were a few previous posts questioning whether or not people in the Musky Industry were speaking out.
Not sure what you are getting at.....
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Location: Ashland WI | T.Carlson - 3/30/2018 5:51 PM
ARmuskyaddict
I was pointing out the companies that I have seen take a stand against this Proposed bill on social media.
That's all.
There were a few previous posts questioning whether or not people in the Musky Industry were speaking out.
Not sure what you are getting at.....
That is exactly what I got from your post.
That is why I asked the question... |
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Location: Land of the Musky | FB site is down but you can still leave a Google Review. I think in the future he will just sell tackle and not get into this again.... wow!
https://www.facebook.com/Wayzata-Bait-Tackle-156205431096711/?rf=595...
https://www.google.com/search?num=50&source=hp&ei=N_3AWuXpEouRjwTz4Z...
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| Walleye,ducks,kids feet,whatever,,the nerve of these people!! It's enough to put me in a bad mood today while I sharpen hooks on my savage suicide duck and walleye bulldawgs. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | happy hooker - 4/2/2018 8:54 AM
Walleye,ducks,kids feet,whatever,,the nerve of these people!! It's enough to put me in a bad mood today while I sharpen hooks on my savage suicide duck and walleye bulldawgs.
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Location: Northern Illinois | Does anyone make a little foot bait?
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Location: The desert | RLSea - 4/2/2018 7:54 PM
Does anyone make a little foot bait?
Yes, yes I do....
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Location: Lino Lakes, MN | Shes a beaut, Clark!! A little nail polish and that thing could be the next Barfighter. |
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| Pointerpride102 - 4/2/2018 7:56 PM
RLSea - 4/2/2018 7:54 PM
Does anyone make a little foot bait?
Yes, yes I do....
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| GUYS! he still got a google score of 3.4 it's way too high, take 1 min of your time and do your job ! https://www.google.ca/search?num=50&source=hp&ei=N_3AWuXpEouRjwTz4Zq... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Brian Hoffies - 4/3/2018 4:41 PM
Whats a google score and what do I care?
Apparently, you do care, based upon your post.
Let's condense this:
This is a web publication dedicated to muskies, muskie fishing, muskie news and information, and muskie conservation.
This fellow spoke against a continued muskie management plan in MN.
Some of our regulars were offended, and rightfully so. The fellow isn't dense, he knew there would be a reaction from the muskie community and certainly is aware of his reach and influence as a fishing business located in the area.
Some people over reacted with a few comments.
Some others over reacted with comments in response.
Nearly lost in the yelling were a few reasonable, well thought out suggestions as to how one might successfully address the situation.
Some folks then took the entire situation personally, and began looking for a fight.
Everything normal.
At the end of the day, the sport shop owner removed a social media page (or had it removed) and obviously was affected by his underestimation of the response to his interview. Is that fair? Absolutely, one reaps what one sews. Does that mean equally unreasonable and just as ineffective arguments should occur here, when the stated goals above should be of paramount interest and the fellow is not even available here to debate? Probably not, but it seems folks just love a good fight.
Takeaway? This community, generally speaking, is passionate about the sport and will do what is felt necessary to convey that message where and when necessary. Not everyone is well equipped to do so, but everyone wants to speak their mind. Those who are well equipped should be the folks dealing with this sort of misinformation campaign at the levels where it makes a real difference, and I believe that has happened for the most part. All in all a good discussion.
And the little foot lure is hilarious. It's a good thing some of the folks who know nothing about muskies have not seen Lee's barbie doll lure. That one may break a mind or two. Gotta have a sense of humus, or being one who deals in the business of farming information would not be as fruitful.
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| Mine was a legit question, still not answered. I don't know what a google score is nor have I ever heard of it until today. So again, how does that score matter and why should I care what it means. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Brian,
Not sure that comment was directed to you, but here it is, and it was linked in the post above I think.
https://www.google.ca/search?num=50&source=hp&ei=N_3AWuXpEouRjwTz4Zq... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Understandable. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Ok, I'm Lazy when it comes to all of this High Tech stuff. What is a google score ? and should I be concerned ?
Can someone out there on the World Wide Web splane this to me.
Anybody ever hear .." Ain't got time for Thatt!" That's me. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Like a customer rating in this case, pretty much. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Ok,... That's what I was looking for.... Except.... (Sled and Pointer love these dots) what is a Good score vs. a Bad score ?
Where does The Goggle set the Bar ?
Maybe I should ask Space book or Twit.....
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Location: St Paul, Minnesota | Jeremy,
That was Tong, he still works there. He's a certified Shimano and Daiwa Reel Tech. Good dude, has been servicing my reels for years.
As for the other baitshops supporting science/muskies I can't speak for all of them, though most are usually solid guys. When it comes to the big four physical stores that come to the MN Muskie Expo, I can say as Muskies Inc. board member, for sure Thorne Bros, Joe's, Blue Ribbon, and Reeds are great supporters of Muskies Inc. and the betterment of Minnesota Fisheries. I've got firsthand experience with each of the owners and managers of these shops, they've all donated thousands and thousands of dollars worth of product, promotions, and support for the betterment of muskie fishing as a whole. All good guys who truly care.
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Location: MN | FYI, your Google review can get flagged and not show up publicly if it trips some filters. At some point my original review was no longer publicly visible - it was originally visible for sure because a few people had gave it the thumbs up. I just happened to notice I could not see it on another computer where I was not signed in to my Google account. Signing in, it was visible, so the review was not lost or discarded - just suppressed from public view.
After some digging it appears that if your review is too political and does not focus on the customer experience it may get suppressed from public view. With some editing, it is now again publicly visible - will see if that holds up.
If you've written a Google review, it might be worth signing out of your account and checking to make sure it is publicly visible. |
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Location: MN | Google reviews is used to rate the quality, service etc of a business. I don't agree with this guys views and think he is a moron for expressing them publicly but I also don't agree with bashing his business with Google reviews just because you don't agree with the owners opinion or viewpoint. If the guy provides poor service to Muskie anglers (or others) it's certainly warranted but if you've never been to his store you shouldn't be leaving reviews imo. I highly doubt it will accomplish much and if anything it's fueling the fire.
There are too many keyboard warriors these days who take to social media when they're butt hurt. Hopefully the anti Muskie lakeshore owners or dark house guys don't start a campaign against the businesses that support the Muskie community. Just my 2 cents. |
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Location: Ashland WI | jonnysled - 4/4/2018 6:53 PM
^well said ...
I agree as well..
I also wonder how many people (that have never been there) that are so quick to bash this guys business were also against the bashing of the baker that refused to make the cake in Colorado... |
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| he will think twice next time,all the legal strategies are good.you can even buy 1000 lures from his shop if you like him so much.life is make like that ,it's called reputation. it's not because the guy is good vs his clients that we have to forget his move.so if you gaz station owner is beating his wife are you gonna say i don't care i need gaz and i don't care because he is polite with me? i know it's exaggerated but you get the point |
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| It's all opinion. His and ours.
He is entitled to his opinion on Muskies which, by the way is protected by the same constitution all the gun guys like to talk about. Vs our freedom of choice to patronize his shop. I'm not on-board with the whole facebook thing but do understand the feelings of both sides.
What I do think is it's a issue that has made a lot of people think. In my opinion thinking is always a good thing. |
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| Nershi - 4/4/2018 6:48 PM
Google reviews is used to rate the quality, service etc of a business. I don't agree with this guys views and think he is a moron for expressing them publicly but I also don't agree with bashing his business with Google reviews just because you don't agree with the owners opinion or viewpoint. If the guy provides poor service to Muskie anglers (or others) it's certainly warranted but if you've never been to his store you shouldn't be leaving reviews imo. I highly doubt it will accomplish much and if anything it's fueling the fire.
There are too many keyboard warriors these days who take to social media when they're butt hurt. Hopefully the anti Muskie lakeshore owners or dark house guys don't start a campaign against the businesses that support the Muskie community. Just my 2 cents.
I agree strongly with this... The reality is its a lousy bait store. This store is on the way to the lake for me. Far and away the closest/easiest access. In the spring I would stop in for crappie minnows, crawlers or leeches. His tanks are filthy and all bait that he sell from the tanks have a life span that is sub par to any of his competitors. I would get bait "that mattered" from anywhere but there. When I have taken people out in the fall that "donated" unused suckers to me that came from there they all die quickly. I keep a separate tank at home for suckers that have been hooked and donations from Wayzata bait...(no lie). I do not want them polluting my system when they die. With him running his mouth off on things he does not know it is just the cherry on the sundae as to why I wont get there again...
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Brian Hoffies - 4/4/2018 7:48 PM
It's all opinion. His and ours.
He is entitled to his opinion on Muskies which, by the way is protected by the same constitution all the gun guys like to talk about. Vs our freedom of choice to patronize his shop. I'm not on-board with the whole Facebook thing but do understand the feelings of both sides.
What I do think is it's a issue that has made a lot of people think. In my opinion thinking is always a good thing.
Everyone is entitled to opinion if given the chance to offer it in a TV interview, and everyone should carefully consider who's watching. I think this guy got caught up in the moment a little, maybe. End result is what it is, he alienated a very active and vocal portion of his clientele. If his opinion is based in fantasy, and they are, he will suffer correction, and he did.
Far as the 'gun guys' ( I am a 'gun guy', I guess) go, some are talking about the Bill of Rights and that conversation will continue. Extreme views demanding governmental intervention are why those amendments were adopted. Accomplishes a lot of things, including the eventual reasonable discussion and resolution of the debate by those who actually are tasked with working within the Constitution on our behalf, as chaotic that process always is.
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | As someone who's been interviewed many, many times by the media I do know that they will take the "best" statement you give them. He may very well have made some positive muskie comments (probably not as I've had many conversations with him, but maybe), but the line they took was the one they were looking for for this story. I've learned the hard way may years ago to go into any interview like this with a "line" they will like that will also capture my (our) stance and give them the juiciness they need for their story.
One thing I've learn from being in the spotlight is this: If it feels that good to say something (especially behind the warm glow of your computer monitor), then you probably shouldn't say it in public (including the internet).
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Also, I have been able to find a couple of new muskie waters listening to these guys complain about muskies.
Bait shop owner "We only catch baby walleyes, It's gotta be all the muskies."
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Muskie Treats - 4/6/2018 3:37 PM
As someone who's been interviewed many, many times by the media I do know that they will take the "best" statement you give them. He may very well have made some positive muskie comments (probably not as I've had many conversations with him, but maybe), but the line they took was the one they were looking for for this story. I've learned the hard way may years ago to go into any interview like this with a "line" they will like that will also capture my (our) stance and give them the juiciness they need for their story.
One thing I've learn from being in the spotlight is this: If it feels that good to say something (especially behind the warm glow of your computer monitor), then you probably shouldn't say it in public (including the internet).
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