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| So I only have two setups and would like to use an all around leader on both if possible. I will be throwing crankbaits, bucktails and a few swimbaits. And occasionally a jerk/glide bait. Is there an all around length that would cover my needs well? I will be getting some stealth tackle pre made flouro leaders. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Single strand wire 10 inches
21 strand wire 12 inches
Fluorocarbon throw them out
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Location: Leech Lake, Walker MN | Single strand wire 11” no longer ! |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | 130lb fluoro 12-16" |
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| I have some 18” stealth leaders, would those work ok? Or should I get some a little shorter? |
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Location: oconomowoc, wi | 18" 130# flouro.. |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | Bigbucks1985 - 3/4/2018 7:04 PM
I have some 18” stealth leaders, would those work ok? Or should I get some a little shorter?
They will work just fine |
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Location: Aurora | My opinion --> They'll werk good fer tails, swimbaits, and cranks but yewl need shorter fer jerks & gliders if you want um ta werk to the best of their ability.
Another one of my opinions --> Save yerself the heartbreak and use the flouro for hangin pictures. |
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Location: Waukee, IA | I don't like anything longer than 12" for casting. Up to 4' for trolling. |
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| Have any of you actually ever had flourocarbon over 100lbs break? I havent. |
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Location: Ontario, Canada | Nothing wrong with HEAVY flourocarbon, as long as your not contacting hard bottom. I use 175#, I see no reason to go lighter. I like 12'' for casting. 3-6 feet for trolling. If your hitting bottom, especially rock, steel is the only way to go. |
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| for me, i dont use fluro because it kinda seems illogcal to me
if fluro was tooth proof, you wouldn't need to use really heavy stuff to begin with.
now back to the original question, i feel like 16-18 inches gives you a safe margin in case a fish inhales a lure or hits too far in front of it
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Location: St. Lawrence River | monsterlures - 3/5/2018 12:36 PM
for me, i dont use fluro because it kinda seems illogcal to me
if fluro was tooth proof, you wouldn't need to use really heavy stuff to begin with.
now back to the original question, i feel like 16-18 inches gives you a safe margin in case a fish inhales a lure or hits too far in front of it
So by your logic, since steel is "tooth proof," you can go really light with it? |
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| well yes
thats what a lot of perch guys in europe do when they fish places where they are likely to encounter a pike.
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Location: St. Lawrence River | monsterlures - 3/5/2018 1:46 PM
well yes
thats what a lot of perch guys in europe do when they fish places where they are likely to encounter a pike.
This is a little different.. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | 12" of 180 fluoro.. been using that for 10 yrs or more. no issues..
for gliders I go with 10" of 180 fluoro solid ring on both ends. |
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| I cast for them most of the time, and I use 18" of 130# fluorocarbon. Muskie are not line-shy...... at all. |
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| I find 18" too long for figure righting well. |
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Location: Ontario, Canada | Landry - 3/5/2018 6:12 PM
I find 18" too long for figure righting well.
Agreed! 12'' works nicely. |
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Location: Southwest PA | Another vote for 12" 130lb flouro
Although, as stated before, it definitely depends on what lure I'm working. |
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| jvlast15 - 3/5/2018 9:33 AM Have any of you actually ever had flourocarbon over 100lbs break? I havent.
Personally... no. Never had a fish bite through it, either... but, witnessed a fish inhale a Bulldawg and bite through 130 pound fluorocarbon.
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| I had a mid 40's muskie cut a brand new 100lb flouro leader. 12 inches is what I prefer for casting and I'm a fan of well made titanium, not the cheaply made Bass Pro, Terminator is my first choice. Soild wire works better for jerkbaits. |
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Location: Honor, MI | Several years ago i was using stranded wire and hooked a mid 40. Some how the fish
rolled and the wire got behind the gill plate. When I brought the fish in I was shocked to see that the wire took out one eyeball and half-way cut the head off! Since then nothing but #130 fluro: 18" casting, 36" trolling. No problemo. |
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Location: SE Wisc | Never had a problem with fluorocarbon, I make my own and cut them about 12”. I use 80# for small bucks/cranks/dawgs and 130# for larger lures. For gliders/jerks I use solid wire. |
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| jvlast15 - 3/5/2018 8:33 AM
Have any of you actually ever had flourocarbon over 100lbs break? I havent.
100 lbs yes |
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Location: Ontario, Canada | I see no advantage to using 80-130 # Fluorocarbon. Why not err on the heavy side? Use 175 or even 200 # |
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| small cranks shallow cranks will move better.other than that there is no advantage at all |
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Location: Waukee, IA | Fluoro isn't bite proof, steel kinks and breaks, titanium frays and breaks. No leader material is perfect. This debate is stupid, especially when the original topic was leader length. |
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Location: Ontario, Canada | Actually debate is seldom stupid. Its a good way to learn, unless you know everything..? |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | tkuntz - 3/6/2018 12:28 PM
steel kinks and breaks, No leader material is perfect.
Not perfect but actually I've been using stranded steel leaders from Leaders and Lures. Gene makes stainless steel 19 and 21 strand wire like whats used on small air plane rudder cable that may kink (more like twisted), but are still good. I personally got over 5 muskies (to 46 inches) on one leader and still was in good shape. I know Frank Walsh of Bay Store Resort and legendary Dick Pearson have gotten over 50 muskies (plus numerous pike) on one Leader and Lures leader. And best of all, they cant bite through it. These leader are rated for the hardware thats on them as the crimps rarely fail.
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Location: Eagle Lake Vermilion Bay, Ontario | variances in "ideal" casting leader length depends on how tall ,how long your arms, how long rod, how high off water deck is, bait/presentation, and of course expereince level with boat side maneuvers.
i use leaders from 9" to 22" for casting and leader material from solid wire,braided wire and floro from 80-180#. mine avg. 18-22" for guest rods 12-16".
crankn,rippn,jerkn bouncing rocks all day i use the longest leader i can comfortably get away with OR a standard sized leader and a 24-30" of double line to the leader.its not only the leader but the line 1-24" ABOVE the leader that is the issue with abrasion .
to be honest if visablity is a personal issue i think floro 180#+ is as or more visable in clear water than most wire. Under most "ideal" conditions with wind ,lowlight,heavy cover, or dirty water or when fish are really rockn it dont make a diff...but in clear water under a tough bite i have seen it make a diff ... enough times to make note and rig accordingly.
for most baits except some side to side topwaters and gliders i like floro 100-150,130# mostly and tie, no crimps, i can see/feel when its time to change . i've used a 3-4" solid wire trace for years on the end of floro leaders when using baits under 6" and rubber baits like tubes, jigs, dawgs,etc that get head hunted or sucked in alot regardless of how heavy # and have never been cut off.
leaders avg 14-18" , i've gottn away from the real long tied floro leaders i used for so many years as rod guides keep getting smaller and smaller.
steve herbeck
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Location: North Central IL USA | muskie! nut - 3/6/2018 6:18 PM
Not perfect but actually I've been using stranded steel leaders from Leaders and Lures. Gene makes stainless steel 19 and 21 strand wire like whats used on small air plane rudder cable that may kink (more like twisted), but are still good.
What pound test do you mainly use? |
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Location: SE Wisc | Andy Myers Lodge - 3/8/2018 8:03 AM
variances in "ideal" casting leader length depends on how tall ,how long your arms, how long rod, how high off water deck is, bait/presentation, and of course expereince level with boat side maneuvers.
i use leaders from 9" to 22" for casting and leader material from solid wire,braided wire and floro from 80-180#. mine avg. 18-22" for guest rods 12-16".
crankn,rippn,jerkn bouncing rocks all day i use the longest leader i can comfortably get away with OR a standard sized leader and a 24-30" of double line to the leader.its not only the leader but the line 1-24" ABOVE the leader that is the issue with abrasion .
to be honest if visablity is a personal issue i think floro 180#+ is as or more visable in clear water than most wire. Under most "ideal" conditions with wind ,lowlight,heavy cover, or dirty water or when fish are really rockn it dont make a diff...but in clear water under a tough bite i have seen it make a diff ... enough times to make note and rig accordingly.
for most baits except some side to side topwaters and gliders i like floro 100-150,130# mostly and tie, no crimps, i can see/feel when its time to change . i've used a 3-4" solid wire trace for years on the end of floro leaders when using baits under 6" and rubber baits like tubes, jigs, dawgs,etc that get head hunted or sucked in alot regardless of how heavy # and have never been cut off.
leaders avg 14-18" , i've gottn away from the real long tied floro leaders i used for so many years as rod guides keep getting smaller and smaller.
steve herbeck
Why don’t you like crimps Steve? I used to tie but started crimping last season and it sure is a cleaner presentation and easier on my hands! Never lost a fish due to any leader issues before but like I said I just started crimping. |
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Location: Waukee, IA | muskie! nut - 3/6/2018 6:18 PM
tkuntz - 3/6/2018 12:28 PM
steel kinks and breaks, No leader material is perfect.
Not perfect but actually I've been using stranded steel leaders from Leaders and Lures. Gene makes stainless steel 19 and 21 strand wire like whats used on small air plane rudder cable that may kink (more like twisted ), but are still good. I personally got over 5 muskies (to 46 inches ) on one leader and still was in good shape. I know Frank Walsh of Bay Store Resort and legendary Dick Pearson have gotten over 50 muskies (plus numerous pike ) on one Leader and Lures leader. And best of all, they cant bite through it. These leader are rated for the hardware thats on them as the crimps rarely fail.
I've personally caught more than 5 muskie on the same fluoro leader, the only difference is that it in no way felt like a big enough achievement to brag about like your steel leader anecdote. Point is, they all work, each has strengths and weaknesses. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Last Sept I witness a muskie bit off a 80 pound floro leader like it was kite string. The angler then told me that he's going to use wire from now on.
With over 30 yrs of muskie fishing under my belt, take my advise for what its worth. |
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Location: Eagle Lake Vermilion Bay, Ontario | cisco,
on knots vs crimps...personal preference really ..and a bit of paranoia .
i have confidence in my knots whether its floro or braided wire and can tie a pretty clean knot up to and including 130# floro and 180# braided wire with no failures, most failures i've seen or expereinced over the years on crimped leaders whether steel or floro have been because of a bad crimp job or over enthusiasm crushed the wire slightly ,damaged the floro or because of the very edge of the crimp which is a natural flex point eventually weakened the integrity of the leader material after lots of use.
it's just anyone personal preference and if you are careful,got the proper tools nothing wrong with crimps and with coated wire, real heavy floro or wire its really the only choice but you also got alot of leeway once you get to those dia. and heavy #.
steve herbeck
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Location: Waukee, IA | muskie! nut - 3/12/2018 10:38 AM
Last Sept I witness a muskie bit off a 80 pound floro leader like it was kite string. The angler then told me that he's going to use wire from now on.
With over 30 yrs of muskie fishing under my belt, take my advise for what its worth.
I've watched titanium fray and snap, steel break at the crimps or a kink, but never fluoro bite offs. Do I think fluoro can be bitten through? Yes, absolutely, but it's rare enough (like the titanium and steel failures) that I don't let it affect my choice of material. I've also seen a pike hit a lure from the front and bite through the line above the leader. Nothing is certain in this sport except for failure I use both steel and fluoro, if you don't, wunderbar! |
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| titanium is the worst ,because you will get no visual sing of a near failure.steel is the safest |
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Location: Northern Illinois | I've had 130# floro bitten off. Fish basically missed the lure. |
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