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| How's it goin. Well Ive always used fluero leaders. Usually 80lb or 100,130 seagar. Now I don't know. This fish bit thru the leader like nothing. 1 day old 100 lb seagar, no knicks. And just in the net. My buddy that was with only uses homade seven strand. Has anybody seen a fish bite thru 220 lb? I still wanna use fluero but scared now. Especially for trolling.
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| Dont need to convince me. Rods big enough to catch sharks. Line strong enough to fly kites. Hooks sharp enough to penetrate bones and leaders soft enough to be cut in a tenth of a second. Hmmmmmmmm |
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Location: Ashland WI | Say hi to Adam for me. |
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Location: Eagan, MN | The description below the vid said it was mono?? Flouro would be tougher than mono. With that said, I've had two bite-off's over the past 20+ years using flouro...one on 80lb and one on a fresh 200lb flouro leader. However, prior to fishing with flouro, I lost fish on single strand, stiff wire, and multi-strand wire leaders. They are all imperfect in some form or fashion. Heck, I once had a giant break off when she jumped with her mouth open into the line and severed it above a brand new 12" steel leader when she hit the water with little/no line pressure. What leader material is going to guard against that? |
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Location: North Central IL USA | Vid description says it's mono... |
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| It doesn't look any higher than 80# in my mind either |
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| Tie whatever line you want, floro, mono, 100, 200 to something and pull hard on it. Now take a razor and push down on the line. Like butter. Now touch a muskie tooth with it and....snap. Bye bye. |
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| It's not mono it's fluero I'll change the description. I made the leader and that's me catching the fish. It's 100 lb seagar. Ok so no matter what they can break it all. Well I have yet to try the homemade seven strand on some gin clear water. If i catch fish on it that's it for me I think I'll stick with it. |
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| 4amuskie - 8/1/2017 9:28 AM
Dont need to convince me. Rods big enough to catch sharks. Line strong enough to fly kites. Hooks sharp enough to penetrate bones and leaders soft enough to be cut in a tenth of a second. Hmmmmmmmm
very good point,even if the 200 lbs leader from my friend have never been caught it's by far the weakest part |
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| why 7 strand wouldn't work? small crank usually work better with smaller diameter leader,and anyway you know the line is far to look clear and it's at less than 4 feet away from the lure so........... |
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| Forgot about that. I suppose would effect action on some cranks. Especially smaller ones |
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Location: Leech Lake, Walker MN | Use wire and forget about it ! |
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| I had a 130 lb fluro leader break on me and I switched to 100% wire for casting. I like wire better for all casting applications. I still use fluro to troll for rolling fish and use a small piece of wire near the swivel for bite off protection. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Seems for years the recommendation was to use 130lb or more. I've been using 150 for quite a while now with no issues. Not to say it isn't impossible to be cut, but I've never had it close to being an issue.
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| Awesome thanks a lot guys. I'm gonna try some heavy fluero then for trolling and get some wire for casting. |
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Location: Minnesota. | DonPursch - 8/1/2017 12:17 PM
Use wire and forget about it !
Yep...period! |
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| I love to see one of you that seem to think you can cut fluorocarbon on a muskie tooth.. actually do it - would be entertaining  |
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Location: Ashland WI | IAJustin - 8/1/2017 1:45 PM
I love to see one of you that seem to think you can cut fluorocarbon on a muskie tooth.. actually do it - would be entertaining :)
Isn't that what he is showing in the video? |
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Location: New Hope MN | I keep a a sliced through fluro leader in my box as a reminder. Hooked a nice one on vermilion and she sliced through it. The water boiled for 5 seconds or so and my lure floated to the surface. I wonder how big she was...? |
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DonPursch - 8/1/2017 12:17 PM Use wire and forget about it ! YEP! Listen to what Don has to say. He has fished some of the clearest waters around. If he says use wire....Then do IT!!!! I've done my own tests and studies with floro VS wire on our local lakes, years ago, and simply caught more fish, & had more strikes on wire.....it was like 15 to 5 in a 30 day test. Wire is thinner, and if you get the AFW 49 strand, coated, or non coated, IT is just as flexible, maybe more flexible than the floro, so baits have better action. If your experience is showing you something, learn from it, and try something different. Nothing Ventured- Nothing Gained!!!! JD |
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| Awesome 49 strand it is. Never had a problem with fluero before , but there's the proof. Ide never forgive my self for the rest of my life if it happened again on a 50 plus. Lol. Good didn't really wanna risk fluero anymore. And thanks 14ledo81.Ya the fish cuts it in the video and it's in the description of this post maybe he didn't watch it.I hold it up to the camera. And I don't know who you are to tell adam ya said hi. I'm fishing with him tmrw |
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Location: Ashland WI | Martin79 - 8/1/2017 4:32 PM
Awesome 49 strand it is. Never had a problem with fluero before , but there's the proof. Ide never forgive my self for the rest of my life if it happened again on a 50 plus. Lol. Good didn't really wanna risk fluero anymore. And thanks 14ledo81.Ya the fish cuts it in the video and it's in the description of this post maybe he didn't watch it.I hold it up to the camera. And I don't know who you are to tell adam ya said hi. I'm fishing with him tmrw
I graduated high school with Adam. My name is Matt. He will know. |
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | Something to keep in mind here is that fluorocarbon is a relatively new material. Once upon a time it didn't exist and all there was was 7 strand and single strand solid wire leaders and people caught big fish. Just a thought.
Now they have tie able wire and that's fairly new too. |
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Location: North Central IL USA | jdsplasher - 8/1/2017 3:38 PM
if you get the AFW 49 strand, coated, or non coated, IT is more flexible than the floro, so baits have better action
What pound test? |
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Location: SE, WI. | gregk9 - 8/1/2017 9:40 PM jdsplasher - 8/1/2017 3:38 PM if you get the AFW 49 strand, coated, or non coated, IT is more flexible than the floro, so baits have better action What pound test? In SE Wisconsin I use mostly 40 lb. coated, also some 65lb coated, depending application.... Canada, where Rock is more prevalent, I use more 90lb, non- coated. JD |
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Location: North Central IL USA | jdsplasher - 8/1/2017 11:18 PM
In SE Wisconsin I use mostly 40 lb. coated, also some 65lb coated, depending application.... Canada, where Rock is more prevalent, I use more 90lb, non- coated. JD
This stuff? http://afwfishing.com/afw_products/Surflon_Micro_Supreme_Leader_Wir... |
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| Adam says hi Matt. |
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gregk9 - 8/1/2017 11:47 PM jdsplasher - 8/1/2017 11:18 PM In SE Wisconsin I use mostly 40 lb. coated, also some 65lb coated, depending application.... Canada, where Rock is more prevalent, I use more 90lb, non- coated. JD Yes, that's the wire. I go to Amazon, buy thru them.....a bit more reasonable. I buy the 100 meter. This stuff? http://afwfishing.com/afw_products/Surflon_Micro_Supreme_Leader_Wir... |
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| how the fish skin look when they roll at ur not coated wire leader?it happen to me one time she was rolling that crazy then she pass from fluro leader to monel line.fish was not looking great at all |
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Location: North Central IL USA | jdsplasher - 8/2/2017 6:34 AM
Amazon, buy thru them.....a bit more reasonable. I buy the 100 meter.
What knot are you use to tie to your terminal tackle? |
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Location: SE, WI. | gregk9 - 8/2/2017 12:56 PM jdsplasher - 8/2/2017 6:34 AM Amazon, buy thru them.....a bit more reasonable. I buy the 100 meter. What knot are you use to tie to your terminal tackle? Greg, read the post, tieable wire, a post below , same thread. JD |
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| I've been bit off by a mid 40's muskie on 130 lb fluorocarbon, so it isn't as tough as some make it out to be, wire is definitely a better choice, I use titanium with no problems as long as you check your bends for broken strands. |
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Location: North Central IL USA | jdsplasher - 8/2/2017 4:32 PM
Greg, read the post, tieable wire, a post below , same thread. JD
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| just regular fishermans knot |
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| I've had wire sucker harnesses fail but never a wire leader or fluoro leader. |
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| I've had flouro fail less in the last 15 years then wire. I have zero concern with it running through a fishes mouth. Wire can get kinks and fatigue that is harder to spot in my opinion. Flouro 180# or greater is tough and easy to inspect for damage. I don't use it for clarity I use it because it doesn't kink and develop week spots the way wire can. If it gets fray or cuts in it then trash it and break out a new one. I wouldn't wrong a guy for shying away from it at all, to each their own. That said I think it's had a service record that speaks for itself. |
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| dtaijo174 - 8/1/2017 2:29 PM
I keep a a sliced through fluro leader in my box as a reminder. Hooked a nice one on vermilion and she sliced through it. The water boiled for 5 seconds or so and my lure floated to the surface. I wonder how big she was...?
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| musky-skunk - 8/4/2017 3:35 PM
I've had flouro fail less in the last 15 years then wire. I have zero concern with it running through a fishes mouth. Wire can get kinks and fatigue that is harder to spot in my opinion. Flouro 180# or greater is tough and easy to inspect for damage. I don't use it for clarity I use it because it doesn't kink and develop week spots the way wire can. If it gets fray or cuts in it then trash it and break out a new one. I wouldn't wrong a guy for shying away from it at all, to each their own. That said I think it's had a service record that speaks for itself.
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| Im interested in these 49 strand wire leaders as well. JD can you post a link and let us know what knots you are using? |
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Location: SE, WI. | Look down below about 10 posts....page 1 , Tie Able wire...it's all right there....illustration and all! JD |
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Location: North of Sweden! | As for me I've used just about all stuff available for leaders during the years.
Nowadays I tend to use mostly 1.4mm mono (220lbs).
At times I get paranoid and go back to carboncoated 90lbs 7strand wire, but, I find the benefits of mono are superior to most everything else.
Particularly the ease of tying the leader itself and the ease of making a great, I mean REALLY GREAT, and strong connection to the braid (FGknot) which I've never ever had or seen any signs of being about to break or be the weak link. Sure, I usually make a FGknot with any wireleader as well, but, that connection is not something I wanna reel in thru my guides, thus kinda limiting the length of leader I'll make (sure, oftentimes you do not need or want a very long leader, but, with the mono+FGknot I have the option of going as long as I want to, no problem with guides getting beat up at all).
Granted, as I am living in sweden I've never had a chance to fish for muskie (but the time will come, I hope :D ) and thus only pikes have inspected my leaders over the years, so take what I write with that in consideration.
But!!! I've NEVER had a mono-leader being cut by any pike, and I spend an obscene amounts of time on the water catching big pikes.
Frayed leaders, yes, but, then I just cut and re-tie or make an entirely new one.
This is so quick and easy, and with the cost of mono being low there is no need to ever ever be "cheap" in that stupid way one tends to be whenever money is tight...
kind regards
/peter
musky-skunk - 8/4/2017 10:35 PM
I've had flouro fail less in the last 15 years then wire. I have zero concern with it running through a fishes mouth. Wire can get kinks and fatigue that is harder to spot in my opinion. Flouro 180# or greater is tough and easy to inspect for damage. I don't use it for clarity I use it because it doesn't kink and develop week spots the way wire can. If it gets fray or cuts in it then trash it and break out a new one. I wouldn't wrong a guy for shying away from it at all, to each their own. That said I think it's had a service record that speaks for itself. |
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Musky bites thru fluro leader in seconds in net (vid)