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Location: MN | How much line do you think is peeled off the reel on a long cast? 60-70 yards on a super long bomb? I have some reels with ~100 yd of line on and have never seen it come even close to spooling. Typical cast around 40 yd? What do you think? |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | When you have no line left on the spool. I use a Tek-Nek to accomplish this feat. |
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| Close to a henwey
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| A few years back, when I was trying to figure out how much mono backing to use on my reels, I allowed for 50 yards of braid on the outside of the reel. (This involved a lot of measuring, a couple trees, swapping line from reel to reel, and several neighbors who I am sure think I am nuts)
I never came close to the backing the first half of the season, but after cutting and retying several times I was able to get there throwing a jackpot (as far as humanly possible)
It depends on how and where you fish. Fishing the shield lakes, reefs, deeper water cover you can definitely throw a 40 yard cast pretty regularly. Some areas where we fish a lot of shoreline structure/downed timber, we rarely throw more than 50 feet.
I've since cut off about 30 feet of backing (leaving 60 yards of braid) and have not been able to cast all the way down to the backing despite the most valiant effort on a very windy day. Funny story there - we were bored, not moving any fish and decided to have a casting contest with various lures. The jackpot won by a landslide, and my buddy took the prize after throwing what could only be considered the cast of a lifetime. We watched in amazement as the lure just kept going until we could barely see where it landed. Then my buddy says "#*#*. I forgot to fasten my snap!" |
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Location: Southwest PA | esoxaddict - 4/10/2017 5:38 PM
The jackpot won by a landslide, and my buddy took the prize after throwing what could only be considered the cast of a lifetime. We watched in amazement as the lure just kept going until we could barely see where it landed. Then my buddy says "#*#*. I forgot to fasten my snap!"
Was the jackpot ever seen again? You can't end in a cliffhanger!! Atleast it wasn't an anchor I suppose.
As far as what is a long cast, I'm thrilled with 50yds on some and 30yds on others. It's all relative to what you are throwing. I can remember first starting double hauling when i got into fly fishing. I was happy with 20yds on a 5wt!! I take more pride in accuracy than anything. It took me a while before I could poke a coffee can at 30 yds with a regular bulldawg. By the way, my neighbors think I am nuts as well lol a lot of strange things have been seen behind my place by them... I won't go into details... ... . . |
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| I can cast all my 80# power pro off of my nacl 60s. With a tail wind and a areo dynamic top water or jerkbait. Havent gotten to the spool on my 50 beast yet (different applications). Not sure on range but upwards of 125 yards??? |
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| I highly doubt your casting 1.25 football fields. |
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Location: Minnesota | I would say a long cast is 60 to 75 yards . Go out to your local high school foot ball filed stand on one end and cast to the other. Don't know many people who can cast one end to the other. |
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| So much depends on the bait. The first time out with a night walker, which is a small, light bait, if I hadn't used a quick thumb it would have gone 20 yards further than I intended and been in heavy brush. |
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Location: Minnesota. | Juhas - 4/10/2017 4:35 PM
Close to a henwey
That's almost the same as a "hammerfer"!
I have a good friends who is quite successful and has been at it for 45 yrs. or so. He rarely casts over 22-25 yds. and it just bugs me to no end (not really but....some..*G*) as I tend to reach out a good bit. He outfishes me both in the TC and on the "V"...and I'm not a beginner!
FWIW. |
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Location: Waukee, IA | I have no way to tell for sure, but on the right rod I'd wager I could get a hellhound, weagle or other aerodynamic bait bait out around 60 yards. I never cast that far while fishing, just too much wear and tear on the gear and body swinging for the fences every time |
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| I fish with an older gentleman who regularly puts the boat no more than 40 feet from what we're casting at. We're literally just flipping lures and throwing underhanded and sidearm casts all day. It can get frustrating after a week in Canada where you're flinging baits out like your life depends on it. Feels like you should be a cast length out from where you are. But then the results prove otherwise, and after 8 hours on the water you're still ready to go. As far as I'm concerned, bomb casts are a waste of time. They're either going to eat right away or right at your feet, so why not get in tight if conditions suit that and throw twice as many casts? No right way to do it other than what works... |
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Location: Detroit River | Most of my casts are around 80 feet. I put 100 yards of braid on all my musky reels & the rest is mono backing. The only time I come close to casting out all the braid is when I cast a Shadillac as that thing casts a country mile. |
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Location: West Central Wisconsin | I've been told that 80% of these fish are either caught in the first 20 ft or the last 20 ft of the retrieve. With that in mind, I often wonder why I bother casting more than 40 ft. |
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Location: Bloomington, MN | Scrooge, you must be using Nanofil to accomplish that!
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| I will say a hellhound will fly a country mile..I am shockede at how much further a hell hound will fly then other lures Id be willing to bet money I could get 70-80yds out of a hellhound...Ive been super close to backing when trying to launch a hellhound but as stated above your cast so fat out there if one hit at that range you'd have your hands full with a hook set |
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| Figure out the average IPT of your reel, count how many times you reel on a few casts and do the math. With bucktails my casts are 100'-125', so on a typical mn weedline I'll map out the edge and then keep the boat 75ish' off. Same distance for Topwater, less for gliders, more for dawgs.
I've fished with a few guys who are "100 yard casters"... Just ask em. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | 100 yard cast? bwwwahahahaahah sure! Same guys that catch the 42" x 27"s !  |
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Location: Smith Creek | I have a couple Hatteras Heavers combos that will chuck a bait close to if not over 100. FYI, you have almost 0 chance of landing a muskie that hits 100 yards out on a cast. |
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| Flambeauski - 4/11/2017 11:03 AM
I have a couple Hatteras Heavers combos that will chuck a bait close to if not over 100. FYI, you have almost 0 chance of landing a muskie that hits 100 yards out on a cast.
This is exactly the point why even chuck the bait this far if you can you have no chance of landing a fish that hits that bait when it touches down unless he totally ingulfs the bait and you head at him on contact just way to far out so why even put yourself in that position.. |
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| I think people dont understand how far 100 yards actually is out on the water. |
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Location: MN | Flambeauski - 4/11/2017 11:03 AM
I have a couple Hatteras Heavers combos that will chuck a bait close to if not over 100. FYI, you have almost 0 chance of landing a muskie that hits 100 yards out on a cast.
I don't really understand this. What is the difference between 100' out and 300' out? 100' is already far enough out that your hookset won't change the line angle and with superlines the extra stretch is pretty minimal. Is there something I'm missing? That much more likely the fish comes off en route to the boat? |
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Location: MN | Seems like the consensus is
40-50 yd: typical long cast
60-70 yd: very specific baits, conditions in your favor, not useful for the most part
My main concern is evaluating speed (IPT) loss at the end of a cast for different reel sizes (i.e. 300 vs 400 Tranx or 50 vs 60 Toro). Obviously the smaller sizes lose more, but how much, and is it worth the reduced size? Big difference depending on how far out that is. |
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| I'll fish in 40mph winds, ain't scared. |
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| Fishysam - 4/10/2017 5:36 PM
I can cast all my 80# power pro off of my nacl 60s. With a tail wind and a areo dynamic top water or jerkbait. Havent gotten to the spool on my 50 beast yet (different applications). Not sure on range but upwards of 125 yards???
Your 125 yard casts must be during 40mph winds. |
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Location: MN | It not about how long it is, it's how you work it. |
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Location: 31 | Muskie Gal - 4/11/2017 1:14 PM Fishysam - 4/10/2017 5:36 PM I can cast all my 80# power pro off of my nacl 60s. With a tail wind and a areo dynamic top water or jerkbait. Havent gotten to the spool on my 50 beast yet (different applications). Not sure on range but upwards of 125 yards??? Your 125 yard casts must be during 40mph winds. upwards of 125' not yards ???
I had a guy in my boat once who decided to try his surf spinning outfit with a Windels muskie chugger and was casting with the wind way further than anything I had ever seen before, it was kind of cool to see it sail but nowhere near 100 yards. I told him he would never get hooks that far out but he continued to sail it and somehow miraculously got hooks into a low 40 on a full-length cast... obviously the fish hooked itself but I still never heard the end of it.
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| Here is some older info from Outdoor Life info on actual competitive casting.
Q Is there a record for the world's longest cast? What equipment was used, and when was it done? My guess is that it was made using a long surf rod. --John Novak, Hyattsville, MD
A You're right about the long surf rods. At sanctioned United Kingdom Surfcasting Federation (UKSF) events, Danny Moeskops established three weight-category records, his longest cast being with a 150-gram (5.29 oz.) weight in August 2004 for a distance of 915.22 feet. He used a Century TT-R rod with a modified Abu Ambassadeur reel.
At a noncompetitive gathering in 2002, Jason Willicombe made an even longer cast of 933 feet with UKSF-approved equipment at Davidstow, Cornwall. He used a Zziplex Dynamic HST rod with a modified Abu Ambassadeur 65/5500/CT mag reel.
That's not the story's end. Steve Rajeff, who has won the American Casting Association's championship 34 consecutive times and the biannual World Casting Championship 13 times, filled me in on the alleged longest casts of all, in South Africa back in the late '60s and '70s. Reportedly, these were casts of more than 1,100 feet using special reels with near spiderweb-thin line connected to heavy leaders and bullet lead. The rods were over 16 feet long, and only brutally strong guys were able to cast them.
The promotional stunt-cast Steve Rajeff made using an 11-foot surf rod with 30-pound-test line is also worth noting. His employer, G. Loomis, was making golf-club shafts at the time and the stunt was the kick-off for a PGA tournament. Rajeff competed against long-ball hitter Fred Couples by casting a golf ball against Couples' drive. He beat Couples' 999-foot slam by slinging the ball tied to his line and reel 1,011 feet. --
Jerry Gibbs, Fishing Editor |
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| Yeah I'm not saying I can regularly cast all the 80# line of my nacl 60 with no backing. But I have and will again. How much fits on that real? |
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| nar160 - 4/11/2017 12:13 PM
Flambeauski - 4/11/2017 11:03 AM
I have a couple Hatteras Heavers combos that will chuck a bait close to if not over 100. FYI, you have almost 0 chance of landing a muskie that hits 100 yards out on a cast.
I don't really understand this. What is the difference between 100' out and 300' out? 100' is already far enough out that your hookset won't change the line angle and with superlines the extra stretch is pretty minimal. Is there something I'm missing? That much more likely the fish comes off en route to the boat?
It has more to do with the movement of the line through the water. There will always be a slight parabolic bow in your line from the rod to the reel. As you set the hook this bow is pulled through the water and has a resistance to it that is working against you.
Also braid has from 1-3% stretch depending on who's marketing your looking at. If it's 3% at 300' that's 9' of stretch vs 3' at 100'.
I used to use a line that was colored every 10' casting a weighted double 13 a good cast was 100'. I have hard lures I could get out further with my other rods, but highly doubt even on my best day that they were over 150', if that even. I could sling em pretty good too.
Surf rods can really get em out there in the over 300' range, but then your into pendulum casts. Not really comparable equipment to muskie stuff. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | I'm confused. 100' = 100 feet, not yards. I think we are talking apples and oranges. |
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| You're correct. 100'=100 feet. Anybody that thinks they're casting 100 yards with musky gear is drinking some pretty good kool aid. |
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Location: Not where I want to be! | Go to your local park, make a bomb cast and step it off. It won't be nearly as long as you think. 100 to 125 ft. for most lures is about average. |
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| 20' boat times 5 of them equals more than 100'. 5 boat lengths is a joke I will do 5 boat lengths into the wind. I do not believe braid like power pro has any where close to 1% stretch. Can a link be provided? Now drakon musky master, sure it stretches. And the "parabolic curve" only happens when realing slow or boat traveling in a direction other than towards the lure... I agree it would be hard to get a quality hook set with all line out of the reel. I normally only do it to get the line laid on the reel smooth. You would be surprised how loose you spoil it on. If you can troll it out or cast it out the lures weight will keep it round rather than octagonal. Don't believe me try it. And then after wards notice you get less backlashes. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | I'd agree the avg casts most of us are making is 120 feet... guys that think they are casting 100 yards, go down to the local football field and let us know how that works out for ya! |
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Location: 31 | RLSea - 4/11/2017 11:38 PM I'm confused. 100' = 100 feet, not yards. I think we are talking apples and oranges. More like apples and watermelons... LOL. Sam, do yourself a favor and measure a few casts before posting again.
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Location: Smith Creek | 100 yards is not a problem with the right gear (shown next to a sling blade for scale)
In muskie fishing no good can come from a 100 yard cast. Figure 8's are nice, though.
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Location: Contrarian Island | and why on earth would you want to cast 100 yards? sheesh... 2 little boys standing in the snow to see who can pee farther... ! |
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Location: 31 | Flambeauski - 4/12/2017 10:39 AM 100 yards is not a problem with the right gear (shown next to a sling blade for scale) In muskie fishing no good can come from a 100 yard cast. Figure 8's are nice, though. Curious how far you can actually cast (not guess) with that beast. |
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Location: Smith Creek | I built it for figure 8's, not long casts. With an Avet I can cast off a bit over 100 yards of line, with a luna that has all the spool breaks removed about 90 yards. That's yards of line, so with the belly I'm probably not casting that full distance. I know guys that could hit 200 with that rod blank, I cannot do that.
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Location: E. Tenn | Fishysam - 4/11/2017 10:29 PM
Yeah I'm not saying I can regularly cast all the 80# line of my nacl 60 with no backing. But I have and will again. How much fits on that real?
A Revo Toro Nacl 60 holds 250 yd. of 14# mono, which works out to 195-200 yds. of 80# PP with no backing, according to the various "line calculators" I've run those numbers through..
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| http://www.sportfishingmag.com/gallery/gear/2014/11/line-test#page-...
Some info on stretch and line strength. Power pro coming in with 3.7% stretch. |
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Location: MN | Interesting test. Worth noting though - that is stretch before breakage, and they used 30 lb. braid which broke at 49.4 lb. I highly doubt that 80 lb. braid with ~20 lb. of force applied stretches anywhere near that. |
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | Flambeauski - 4/12/2017 10:39 AM
100 yards is not a problem with the right gear (shown next to a sling blade for scale)
In muskie fishing no good can come from a 100 yard cast. Figure 8's are nice, though.
Is that your rod? If so what blank is it and what length is it? I thought about making a surf blank into a ski rod. |
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Location: Smith Creek | 3SRS120HMF2
12', 6-16 oz.
aka Hatteras Heaver or 8nbait rod. |
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