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| Nearing the end of my first season I've had some success but still feel un-prepared with my lure knowledge. I've gathered a decent assortment of bucks and plastics, but I keep hearing about Suick jerk baits and how bad I need one. I have a phantom or two already, wondering if it's really worth it to go the Suick route as I have similar baits and don't know if they're really worth putting more money into more jerk baits.
Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated
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| Hey Chris - Glad to hear you are entering the world of a never ending lure collection. There are many people on here that seem to love suicks. I do have a couple and I would love to send you one or trade you one as a "Welcome" present however most of my lures are up at the cabin about 4 hours away ..
Anyway, I am sure many will chime in on this as these seem to be a hot ticket on this forum.. Good luck! |
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| I just bought one a couple weeks ago..I used it for first time this weekend seemed ok but didnt seem that the action was all that I guess kind of unique though cause it top water but can dive some too so nice to use as top water over weed beds cause you can dive it down to weed level then let float up and get erratic with it.. |
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| I'd suggest a weighted 9". And the action is so different from a phantom that you can't compare them. You can't work a suik wrong. But in a few hours of use you will have your technique down and how to bend the metal tail... I had say 3 till one of them just worked better. That one has got 5 muskies. Now I have 10 and 3 of them move how I want it to. |
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Location: MN | I sure would have a Suick in my tackle box. A reef hawg too, but that's just me. I find the more time I put in the more I grab those traditional baits because at the end of the day they work. |
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Location: E. Tenn | I never seriously fished Suicks until a couple of years ago. I watched this video, and gave one a try. Second pull on the first cast produced a 41" fish.. I've had a lot more success since. Enjoy, and good luck!
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/videos/08.21.2012/5398/Spring.Bay.R... |
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Location: Illinois | Get one, its worth having. When fish are not hitting anything else, they seem to like suicks. A 9" weighted is perfect to start. It's unlike any other lure imo. Do not judge it by the action compared to other baits, muskys like what they do. |
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| Schro
Don't know where you live but if you go to one of the musky expo s and swaps this winter you can pick up suicks for $5-10 at any swap.
You should have two dive and rise jerkbaits. one shallow runner for poking into weeds like a suick and one deep for fall and using the death rise which sometimes they want, big daddy's and weighted wades wobblers are excellent deep ones. |
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Location: MN | happy hooker - 11/1/2016 4:01 PM
Schro
Don't know where you live but if you go to one of the musky expo s and swaps this winter you can pick up suicks for $5-10 at any swap.
You should have two dive and rise jerkbaits. one shallow runner for poking into weeds like a suick and one deep for fall and using the death rise which sometimes they want, big daddy's and weighted wades wobblers are excellent deep ones.
Funny I was just logging on to say the exact same thing. Wait till the swaps at the expos always plenty of Suicks to be had for very little. |
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| My son just caught 2 on a suick this weekend. |
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| Suicks - YES!
I don't want to know what goes into commercial made sausage.
I don't know why Suicks catch fish.
I love sausage and love Suicks.
Try the HI. They are a bit more user friendly then the wood models. I wish they would make a 7" in HI. The tiny 4" is really fun for bass when the water is too warm for safe muskie fishing.
In the fall, to slow the rise, I add SuspendDots to the bottom flat side.
Black is a must have. Then maybe perch. Original sucker pattern is good too.
Backdraft (Suick and Sausage Lover) |
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| I have a buddy who has ~450 muskys in his boat....a majority of those came on a suick. |
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| Greetings,
Dive/Rise jerk (a.k.a. pull) baits are now a staple in my musky game. I have to admit that my learning curve was long with these baits. I fished with them for several seasons before I honestly could say that I had developed confidence in them. I tend to throw them during cold-fronts and again in autumn when the water is cooling. I am able to move them as slow or fast as the conditions dictate. I fish the lures with pauses - just to hang it in front of their faces.
I use about as many Bobby Baits as I do Suicks. About one half of the baits are floating (unweighted) models, while the other half of the baits are weighted. Both the weighted and unweighted have their time and place. I mostly throw unweighted jerk baits over weeds, while the weighted models are used around rocks and deeper water.
Both of my 50+ inchers were caught on an unweighted Bobby Bait. They both hit when I dead-sticked the lure about ten feet from the boat.
One thing that I have noticed about dive/rise jerk baits is that they are somewhat poor "hookers". I have strikes that don't connect with the fish. I think it's sometimes because the lure "zigged" when the fish "zagged" - a price you pay to play the game. Another factor might be how much of the hook is exposed to the fish rather than being protected by the body of the lure. You can improve your hooking percentage by "T ing" the front and middle treble hooks. Doing this simple step will expose more of the hooks to the fish and "up" your hooking percentage.
I encourage you to pick up a Bobby Bait or Suick and learn how to throw and work them. There is a learning curve in how to "tune" the baits and work them. Don't give up on them! Your effort will be rewarded!
Good fishing and tight lines!! |
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| Suicks in their various forms and DDD's -DD's from ERC are the only Jerkbaits I'll ever likely need for Musky's. I like the kiss principle find the handful of baits that work for you and stay with them. That's what's works for me. BTW Suick makes the Cisco Kid line of baits which work equally well as Jerkbaits or crankbaits. |
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Location: Minnesota. | BornToFish1 - 11/2/2016 9:17 AM
Greetings,
Dive/Rise jerk (a.k.a. pull) baits are now a staple in my musky game. I have to admit that my learning curve was long with these baits. I fished with them for several seasons before I honestly could say that I had developed confidence in them. I tend to throw them during cold-fronts and again in autumn when the water is cooling. I am able to move them as slow or fast as the conditions dictate. I fish the lures with pauses - just to hang it in front of their faces.
I use about as many Bobby Baits as I do Suicks. About one half of the baits are floating (unweighted) models, while the other half of the baits are weighted. Both the weighted and unweighted have their time and place. I mostly throw unweighted jerk baits over weeds, while the weighted models are used around rocks and deeper water.
Both of my 50+ inchers were caught on an unweighted Bobby Bait. They both hit when I dead-sticked the lure about ten feet from the boat.
One thing that I have noticed about dive/rise jerk baits is that they are somewhat poor "hookers". I have strikes that don't connect with the fish. I think it's sometimes because the lure "zigged" when the fish "zagged" - a price you pay to play the game. Another factor might be how much of the hook is exposed to the fish rather than being protected by the body of the lure. You can improve your hooking percentage by "T ing" the front and middle treble hooks. Doing this simple step will expose more of the hooks to the fish and "up" your hooking percentage.
I encourage you to pick up a Bobby Bait or Suick and learn how to throw and work them. There is a learning curve in how to "tune" the baits and work them. Don't give up on them! Your effort will be rewarded!
Good fishing and tight lines!!
Yeah, don't give up on the Suicks. I gave up on them 30 yrs. ago after losing a fish b/c I was too lazy to re-tie, this was back using 36# braided dacron or the like. Best back then...
Since then I simply didn't have faith in them due to the "non-action" compared to other baits so never thought any more about them. That changed on a whim a few yrs back and decided to try them.
Taken a bunch since, including a PB 54"er on a floating 9" sucker pattern.
Anyways, I haven't experienced that issue with hook-ups like the above poster. Hope this didn't jinx me...
A wonderful jerk bait. Had one three yrs ago. Got a boxfull now!! Sick!!
Don't go nutz worrying about color inho!
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Location: Tomahawk, WI | The number one all time lure on the Muskies inc Lunge Log is the Suick. All Dive and Rise baits seemed to be on fire around here this year. The suick is a great lure and every Musky angler should defiantly have at least a couple. They can be a little tricky to tune sometimes. I find that the weighted versions run a little better without having to tune them as much. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | Definitely should get them in your repertoire. You can work them in many different ways. However, the main thing is that YOU work them not a built in action. I work them probably mostly in 3 main ways (all of them emphasize the pause though):
1. Just like the instructions in the original box - pulls to get it down and let it float back up imitating a fish that's injured/dying and has barely enough energy to survive.
2. In weeds with open pockets or around cover I will use the dive and rise but also include twitches to steer or kick out the tail to the side imitating a fish that's feeding or lost/confused.
3. I'll also work it really erratically with a couple of really hard quick rips (it will go down and to the side or wherever it goes) and then pause it abruptly. This can work particularly well right when the lure hits the water with a couple of hard rips and if it lands near a fish it can get reaction strike. It's like prey that's in a panic mode and then just freezes.
But I'm sure that others have their own triggering techniques and that the list may be endless and limited only by one's own imagination. |
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Location: Walker, MN | I'm actually a little disappointed that dive-rise jerk baits have become en vogue again. I have enjoyed the heck out of catching fish on them the past few decades when they seemed to have fallen out of favor with most muskie anglers. I guess I'll have to take up casting crankbaits or something lol.
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Location: MN | Masqui-ninja - 11/3/2016 3:29 PM
I'm actually a little disappointed that dive-rise jerk baits have become en vogue again. I have enjoyed the heck out of catching fish on them the past few decades when they seemed to have fallen out of favor with most muskie anglers. I guess I'll have to take up casting crankbaits or something lol.
Let's be honest most of the new baits being bought won't see the water. Or folks will give up after two casts |
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Location: Metro | Its one of those lures you always want in the boat. Like others have said, when you are getting follows but they aren't hitting anything that might be your ticket. Put a few hours on it early in the spring and fall and you will understand why people love them. I tend to have more luck with them when I am up north but that is just me. Good luck and Welcome! |
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Location: Illinois | I'm a huge Suick fan! The best thing about any Suick, from thrillers to Curley Sue's & Suzy Suckers is the fact that it is impossible to work them incorrectly! You can jerk, twitch, rip, reel, troll, whatever you feel is the best method for that day. My best day on the water for most catches were all on thrillers! My largest Muskie a 57 incher came on a Curley Sue! I don't ever leave the dock without a good selection, there is a reason Suick has been in business for over 70 years! |
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| Greetings,
I liked the following quote from MM3: "However, them main thing is that YOU work them not a built in action. I work them probably mostly in 3 main ways (all of them emphasize the pause though):" There is a LOT of wisdom in that passage!! The working of the lure is the foundation of the learning curve that I mentioned above. The "pause" accounts for many of my fish - hang it in front of them and they just come un-glued.
I had an interesting experience about five years ago. I was fishing an un-weighted, nine inch Suick Thriller - white body and red head. It was late September in NW Ontario. The water was almost completely calm. I was fishing in about 8-10 fow, as the muskies had moved into shallow water, as turnover was approaching.
I made my first pull on the Suick and had a 40-45 inch fish explode out of the water. The entire fish was airborne, with my Suick in its mouth. I will never forget this image, as it's burned into my memory. There was a mist of water in the air in the vicinity of the fish, complete with a rainbow!
I set the hook as best I could. Somehow, I didn't get any hooks into that fish, despite Suick's claim to a lure that is a mouthful of hooks. I talked about this incident with one of my fishing mentors. He immediately asked if I had "T'd" my hooks. I have since "T'd" the front and middle treble hooks on all of my jerbaits. I haven't missed a fish since!
Good fishing and tight lines!!
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| One less guy throwing Sticks is O K with me. That will leave more fish for mine to harass. LOL Seriously if you don't learn to trust the history of a proven bait such as a Suick you are missing a lot of action on an easy to use bait that backs up it's reputation every season with B I G fish! |
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Location: MN | Suicks are great too because you can tune them the way you want, and work the way you want long pulls short pulls... Was just tuning 4 new ones yesterday with my father we didn't agree on the tune we each liked something a little different. |
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| I just decided to give a suick some time in the water today because of this thread. Its a bait that sits in my tackle room like a scrawny kid on the bench wishing the coach would put him in the game. Today was one of those high sky, no cloud dead calm days where I never seem to catch fish. After using a big squirley hellhoud (been a great bait for me lately) with no action for a couple hours I put a 9" weighted suick on. I was watching it rise back up after a pull at the entrance to a lake st Claire marina and got to see the big silver flash as it got smacked. Not a big fish by any means but a musky none the less. Got her to the net and my 8 year old got to pet her back before we released her. She saw the hit too which was cool. I don't ever hear about people using them here on LSC but I'm sure a few do. Ill be one of them after today. |
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Location: Minnesota. | BornToFish1 - 11/4/2016 8:03 AM
Greetings,
I liked the following quote from MM3: "However, them main thing is that YOU work them not a built in action. I work them probably mostly in 3 main ways (all of them emphasize the pause though):" There is a LOT of wisdom in that passage!! The working of the lure is the foundation of the learning curve that I mentioned above. The "pause" accounts for many of my fish - hang it in front of them and they just come un-glued.
I had an interesting experience about five years ago. I was fishing an un-weighted, nine inch Suick Thriller - white body and red head. It was late September in NW Ontario. The water was almost completely calm. I was fishing in about 8-10 fow, as the muskies had moved into shallow water, as turnover was approaching.
I made my first pull on the Suick and had a 40-45 inch fish explode out of the water. The entire fish was airborne, with my Suick in its mouth. I will never forget this image, as it's burned into my memory. There was a mist of water in the air in the vicinity of the fish, complete with a rainbow!
I set the hook as best I could. Somehow, I didn't get any hooks into that fish, despite Suick's claim to a lure that is a mouthful of hooks. I talked about this incident with one of my fishing mentors. He immediately asked if I had "T'd" my hooks. I have since "T'd" the front and middle treble hooks on all of my jerbaits. I haven't missed a fish since!
Good fishing and tight lines!!
This was a fun read Mark. Thanks.
I'll need to work more on that "pause" I think. I tend to get a bit jerky on my retrieve. Looks just fine in the water but...that pause...I need to let it happen.
Cool post. |
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