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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | I have trying to research "which would be the ideal rod for bucktails"? These posts on these forums are making me question what is the ideal rod for this lure. How can a person like Joe Bucher say you don't need a rod over 7'6 rod. Then you have people saying they use a 10'6 rod to throw bucktails. Does it just come down to person preference or is it just playing with different lengths? |
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Location: Metro | longer the rod the bigger the oval figure 8s you can make. This will help when you have a big fish follow and you need to do a wide turn because they don't turn like smaller fish. Also it helps you cast further and has more backbone. I mainly like a longer rod so I can figure 8 easier. |
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| No way bucher would say that today. He uses 9' st croix legends... And I use a 10'6" ti but I feel like if I could have a 10' instead that's what I would want. A bit to much leverage given away for me and I would say I'm young and strong. |
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | I think 8.5-9' has become the standard. Anything above is a personal preference, but I think most who go that road really like the extra length.
As mentioned above...longer rods lead to better figure 8's, are easier on your body/back, and often lead to longer cast lengths. |
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| There is a lot more to it than just length. Here are few things relating to bucktails that come to mind, probably not all inclusive:
For bucktails, a question to ask is what size? 13s are going to exert a lot more pressure in the figure 8 than even 10s which in turn effects your ability to execute an effective 8 consistently. A softer road is going to load under the pressure and thus it takes much more efforts to maintain momentum/ speed up into the first turn. If that is hard, you are going to convert fewer fish.
Another issue is castability. Bucktails in wind can present challenges since they are not very heavy and in the case of bigger blades have high surface area. You want a rod that will load that size lure well so you can engage the mechanical advantage of your equipment. Cheap rods tend to be either too soft or too stiff, making casting A LOT more work.
Weight is an issue. Cheaper blanks are almost universally heavier than the premium stuff. Might not seem like a big deal in the first hour, but what about the eighth or tenth hour?
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Fishysam. Please follow the following link. I believe this is a recent article by Joe. He speaks of 3 rod lengths. None are higher then 7'6.
http://www.fishinfo.com/fishing-articles/article_394.shtml |
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Location: Tomahawk, WI | Rod lengths have many factors for me at least. My boat deck is pretty low to the water so I use a 7'6" heavy action for jerk baits. Ive tried longer rods for jerks but it just doesn't work as well in my particular boat. For big rubber and big bucktails I use a 9' rod. I also fish on river system quite a bit and fish heavy cover a lot so i have an 8' rod for throwing spinner-baits and smaller bucktails at precise targets.
As for Bucher saying 7'6" for Bucks. You heard him wrong or saw an old video or old article. All his current bucktail rods are 8' or longer. |
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Location: Smith Creek | Holy crap that's an old article! May have been posted recently but it's OLD. Joe has been using 86 and 90 MH elites for the last couple years. |
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Location: Tomahawk, WI | That article is way old!!!!!! Look at the reels. They are old St croix/Daiwa round baitcasters. That article is at least 10 years old. |
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| I did not see anywhere but I wonder how old that article is? |
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Location: Sun Prairie, WI | That article isn't recent. Check out Joe's cap...Stren....he hasn't promoted Stren in a few years. Also look at the reels...St. Croix Avids. He also hasn't used these in years. The 6-9 heavy rod shown is an Avid. He has long since used a different rod for this application. This was from years ago. |
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| Article was first published in the 2006 August/September edition of Muskie Hunter... I remember even back then thinking his rod choices were too short  Even though I no longer subscribe it is funny to look back and see how things have changed! |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Ok. My bad on the old article. I just think it is interesting that a person can say 7'6 rod and another person can say 10'6 rod. That is a 3 feet difference. I guess there is not an exact science to it. I wish it was more cut and dry. Because this stuff is expensive. I feel like one minute I want to get this rod, then I read something on another rod. I'm like, #*^@ I thought I had this figured out. |
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Location: Tomahawk, WI | Marley420 - 8/31/2016 2:14 PM Ok. My bad on the old article. I just think it is interesting that a person can say 7'6 rod and another person can say 10'6 rod. That is a 3 feet difference. I guess there is not an exact science to it. I wish it was more cut and dry. Because this stuff is expensive. I feel like one minute I want to get this rod, then I read something on another rod. I'm like, #*^@ I thought I had this figured out. There are no rules in musky fishing!!! Fish with the equipment YOU like! Fish the way YOU want! If a 7'6" rod works for you, use it. If a longer rods feels better, use that. Its entirely up you and your style of fishing. |
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Location: Western U.P. | banditman - 8/31/2016 2:27 PM
"There are no rules in musky fishing!!! Fish with the equipment YOU like! Fish the way YOU want! If a 7'6" rod works for you, use it. If a longer rods feels better, use that. Its entirely up you and your style of fishing."
Exactly what banditman said... |
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| Marley420 - 8/31/2016 2:14 PM
Ok. My bad on the old article. I just think it is interesting that a person can say 7'6 rod and another person can say 10'6 rod. That is a 3 feet difference. I guess there is not an exact science to it. I wish it was more cut and dry. Because this stuff is expensive. I feel like one minute I want to get this rod, then I read something on another rod. I'm like, #*^@ I thought I had this figured out.
Get the 7'6" out of your head. Nobody is saying 7'6" NOWADAYS for bucktails. Nobody. Okay there may be one person.
I use a 7'6" for jerkbaits.
An 8'6" - 9' is the best overall bucktail for length if you are fishing from a boat and not shore or a canoe. An 8' would be okay but I recommend the 8'6" at least.
An 8' - 8'6" H St Croix or XH Tackle Industries is a great all around rod for most baits.
I own a 10'6" rod and I think it's too long - for me anyways.
If you have the money and want one only, buy a St Croix Big Nasty or a 9' H or XH a tackle industries to much cheaper and be done with it. |
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What is the deal with rods?