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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Stand by to look over a new Abu Garcia Muskie reel next week....and another surprise later, too.
Zoom.... |
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Location: Waconia,MN | No way another new reel from abu... |
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Location: MN | The new reel smell isn't even gone off the Beast yet! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Yes way. |
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| Any specs or what type of reel it is Steve?
Should I have waited before buying a Beast?
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| I am wondering the same thing. I just bought a toro beast yesterday. |
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| glad i waited ! |
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| Me too when will it be out I need a new reel very soon, will it come lefty too? |
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| Wait---Im confused---
My "New" Revo Torro Beast BST 60 4.9 & BST 60HS 6.2 are still in the box waiting to be seated on my rods for the big summer trip of 2016....The Beast Series reel just came out late 2015 season right?
I cant even imagine how they could introduce a new reel---with 2 brand new Musky Reels that just hit the market----at 400.-- a pop they were supposed to be competition for the Tranx.....and the next big thing....lots of rave reviews...
What am I missing here....?
Someone needs to tell them they are going to lose business if their "new" Musky Reels become obsolete before you even get to use them......
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Location: central Wisconsin | Why would your new reels be obsolete? They are not electronics devices that get increased speed and memory every two weeks.
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Location: St. Lawrence River | Jeff78 - 6/4/2016 2:47 PM
Why would your new reels be obsolete? They are not electronics devices that get increased speed and memory every two weeks.
But aren't they? Speed (ipt) and memory (spool capacity)
Just messing lol. I'm pumped to see what comes out? I need one more reel. |
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Location: Ontario | I doubt that it will be another low profile reel. |
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Location: oconomowoc, wi | used the new beast for first time this morning.. love it! 6.2:1 |
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| No one said better could be cheaper reel like the 5500s |
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Location: mercer wi | Will be interesting to see. Come on steve, hope you done hold it a secret like last year. |
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Location: Waconia,MN | Let's see it already. I guessing the "zoom" is a hint, maybe abu's answer to the tranx? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Storm Strike - 6/4/2016 1:39 PM
Wait---Im confused---
My "New" Revo Torro Beast BST 60 4.9 & BST 60HS 6.2 are still in the box waiting to be seated on my rods for the big summer trip of 2016....The Beast Series reel just came out late 2015 season right?
I cant even imagine how they could introduce a new reel---with 2 brand new Musky Reels that just hit the market----at 400.-- a pop they were supposed to be competition for the Tranx.....and the next big thing....lots of rave reviews...
What am I missing here....?
Someone needs to tell them they are going to lose business if their "new" Musky Reels become obsolete before you even get to use them......
Someone needs to tell you you are assuming too much and thereby 'leading with your chin', so I just did.
No one who ordered a Beast will be disappointed, but some will add this sweet machine to the arsenal.
And the Beast was not designed to 'compete with the Tranx', it was designed to be at the top of the 'all around' muskie reel category.
The new reel is not a branded as a Beast but is a Revo Toro, that much I'll let out of the bag. And it's not a giant reel, either. I'll have it (and the surprise that has to wait a bit) early next week and do a review same day. |
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| Dang, I was thinking it's be a Beast with the 5:3:1 gearing... How would the S and Beast become obsolete tho? I'm sure Abu is savvy enough business-wise to not market against themselves... Plus, they know we are suckers, why else would they pretty much be the only company developing reels specifically targeting the musky fishermen/women? |
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| Toro S with different gear ratios maybe? |
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Location: Hayward, WI | New reels don't make older models obsolete. The Shimano Calcutta B is still around and a good reel, even though the Tranx is their new hotrod. The Toro NACL's that I own are still great reels even though they don't make them anymore.
It is surprising to see them come out with a new reel already. I have a new Beast and S to try this year also. Will be curious to see what the new model is. Not likely to buy this year being that I'm pretty well stocked but it's good to have options coming to the market. |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | I need one more reel so I am pumped. I hope it's priced moderately that's all. And I'm glad to hear it's a revo toro platform reel. |
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| Not sure where a new Revo toro will fit in. It could be more gear ratios for the S as someone mentioned. It seems unlikely that it will be a higher price point version in the general mold of the beast. Could it be a model cheaper then the S? A smaller frame and non-disengaging levelwind? The speculation is fun but other than new gear ratios for the S or an even cheaper model I am not sure where another Revo Toro Musky reel will fit in. |
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Location: Tennessee | I think Abu's new offering will blow alot of people away for what you get! May even sway alot of guys over to the lopros that have been sticking with the more economic round reels |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | Wood_Duck - 6/5/2016 10:11 AM
I think Abu's new offering will blow alot of people away for what you get! May even sway alot of guys over to the lopros that have been sticking with the more economic round reels
Details!!! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Maybe tomorrow.....Wood_Duck isn't even warm on this one. |
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| Such a tease Steve... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Gotta stick to the schedule...! |
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| As a dedicated Abu Garca customer I shout: Take my money! |
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| So why post on an Abu thread? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Precisely.
Shimano is a respected brand and builds quality equipment, but this particular thread is not about them. Be patient, there will be Shimano threads placed soon enough! |
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| And then the Okuma guys will join in!!!
I love my Toro S 60. I have it dialed in and have had 1 backlash and no problems with the reel engaging with the unbalanced power handle. Anyone I've shared a boat with would be proud of that... If the new model fits my needs, there may be a couple old Toros on the buy/sell forum. |
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Location: Tennessee | I'm sworn to secrecy on the model I've been testing since last fall but it'll be a huge hit, I can tell you that. |
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| It may be early but it is tomorrow. Any update Steve? |
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Location: Waukee, IA | You can cut the anticipation with a knife here. Gear-nuts everywhere are preparing their credit cards for a full-on tackle storm. God I wish I wasn't broke. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Awaiting arrival... |
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| Steve's making our blood pressure as high as his used to be with this! |
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Location: Madison, WI | My guess is Toro spinning reel |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | danmuskyman - 6/6/2016 5:03 PM
My guess is Toro spinning reel
Naw its a spincast and yes it comes with a crank on both sides |
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Location: Elk Grove Village, IL & Phillips, WI | I agree with Muskie Nut. It's a larger Abu-matic! |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | I hope it's a cool color. That's the #1 thing I look for in a reel. |
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| I'm with JakeSt. Croix. Since there already is a black Beast, and a white Toro s, how about going retro on making it original Ambassaduer red. That would be cool. kdawg |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | kdawg - 6/7/2016 8:37 AM
I'm with JakeSt. Croix. Since there already is a black Beast, and a white Toro s, how about going retro on making it original Ambassaduer red. That would be cool. kdawg
Arrived today, and this nails it on the color. Very cool looking reel. Three handles, and a great feel to her. I'll run it tonight for League and report back tomorrow.
Great addition to the Revo Toro line.
The surprise for later is very cool too. |
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Location: Elk Grove Village, IL & Phillips, WI | How about a picture Steve? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Here you go...
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| sworrall - 6/7/2016 12:37 PM
Here you go...
Wow, it's invisible! Now THAT is cool... 
And Steve puts up a picture as I'm typing this post.... |
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| Revo rocket red. Any insight on line pick up speeds? Maybe geared like that jigging reel overseas? |
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| A toro, with a higher gear ratio at what 42 IPT? Sure to make somebody happy.
Guess 1:7.5 if its a 60 size and 1:8.5 if its the 50 size.
Love the double power handle. |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | Excited for the details. |
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Location: mercer wi | So I'm assuming it's a beast type reel. What gears? |
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| The picture says 107cm per turn, so it would be 42". Which makes it a 1:7.5 if its a 60 size in the picture and 1:8.5 if its the 50 size in the picture. |
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| Zinox - 6/7/2016 2:20 PM
The picture says 107cm per turn, so it would be 42". Which makes it a 1:7.5 if its a 60 size in the picture and 1:8.5 if its the 50 size in the picture.
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| As mentioned, it depends on the size shown in the picture, an until mr. Sworrall gives some facts, its just a guess like anything else so far in this topic.
If the 50 beast in 1:4.9 brings in 24" and this brings in 42" then the new reel is (42/24=)1,75 times faster, which would need a gear ratio of 1,75*4,9 = 8,5.
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| Got it. Just wondered if all 50-sized Beasts, S's, NaCl's, etc. all have the exact same full (or 80% full or whatever is used for IPT calc) spool diameter, and likewise all 60-sized Revo Toro reels. Seems like they're pretty close, and your gear ratio estimates fall right in line I think. |
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Location: Waukee, IA | whynot - 6/7/2016 7:44 PM
Lefty?
This is purely speculation, but I would assume yes. Abu is good about having lefty options |
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Location: mercer wi | When's the other surprise coming steve |
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| Most abu s on the us market also end up being sold in europe so a lefty is almost guarantied every time abu releses a new reel |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | Some serious line pickup. Probably not on my must have list, though! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Revo Toro Rocket
'Raising the bar on speed and power
7 stainless bearings
High speed retrieve
Carbon Matrix Drag system
Active response drag mechanism
X-Craftic
DuragearHeavt Duty gears
InfiniMax braking system
Aluminum spool
Ti coated line guide
3 handles
REALLY nice bigger handle knobs
7.6:1 Rocket Gear Ratio
250 yards 14# test line capacity
285 yards of 30# braid
25# drag
42" per turn
14.6 ounces
8 bearings
Right Had retrieve
Available July 15
We fished the reel last night and were very impressed. It's fast, and the feel is Beast, only faster. Pulling double 8s, there was a noticeable difference between the Beast high speed the the Rocket. It just plain pulls easier and of course faster.
Abu assures in the 2017 catalog it's designed to pull large muskie baits. We'll be tossing double 10s with the reel an entire evening soon on a 9' rod; I threw one for a half hour on a Beast 8' rod, and was pleasantly surprised. It's a winner if you want speed and power in a compact, easy to palm design.
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| It pulls baits easier than the Beast HS? I was planning on getting a Beast HS for medium sized cranks and double 8's and smaller blades. Maybe I should wait for this to come out!?? |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | I figured it would pull blades fast and hard?? |
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Location: Waukee, IA | The physics of fast and easy simply doesn't work in my brain, but I have never tried this reel. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | I'm also curious about faster and easier. Does it have longer handles than the regular Beast? Is the main difference between this reel and the Beast a higher gear ratio or are there other design features that set it apart? |
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Location: Waukee, IA | curleytail - 6/8/2016 8:02 AM
I'm also curious about faster and easier. Does it have longer handles than the regular Beast? Is the main difference between this reel and the Beast a higher gear ratio or are there other design features that set it apart?
Physical specs match the Beast HS (ABU website for beast specs vs what Steve posted for rocket) with the obvious exception of gear ratio/IPT. He said the handles were slightly different also. Otherwise the bearing count, Max drag, physical weight, line capacity and frame all seem to be the same as the Beast, which makes sense from a business POV for ABU. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | tkuntz - 6/8/2016 8:16 AM
curleytail - 6/8/2016 8:02 AM
I'm also curious about faster and easier. Does it have longer handles than the regular Beast? Is the main difference between this reel and the Beast a higher gear ratio or are there other design features that set it apart?
Physical specs match the Beast HS (ABU website for beast specs vs what Steve posted for rocket ) with the obvious exception of gear ratio/IPT. He said the handles were slightly different also. Otherwise the bearing count, Max drag, physical weight, line capacity and frame all seem to be the same as the Beast, which makes sense from a business POV for ABU.
Yup. Steve actually said the handle knobs were different in one of his more recent posts, which seems like it would make little difference in actual ease of use. It appeared they were essentially the same reel as the Beast but with higher gearing, which is why being faster yet easier isn't making sense to me. That's why I was wondering if there was some other difference we didn't know about.
Probably the true test of "ease" will be fishing one for a day with double 9's or 10's. Most double 8's come in pretty easy regardless of gear ratio. I'm speculating it won't be the reel of choice for most for heavy double 10 use but time will tell. I'm sure it will be a sweet reel for guys that want an ultra fast reel for other purposes though - small bucktails, jerkbaits, rubber, etc. Not really something I have a need for (the HS Beast should be plenty fast for me), but interesting. I wonder if the gears would swap into the Beast or S. One would think they might.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I found reeling fairly slowly blew the bucktail right out of the water last so reeling any faster wasn't an option unless I wanted the bait skipping across the water. I was very impressed with the reel, and can say with absolute certainty it controlled the big (8/10 blades) spinnerbaits I threw for awhile in the slop better than the Beast HS, and we tried them both back to back. Kept the bait on top better, got it going faster, and could blow the lure out. Fishing heavy cover where keeping the lure on track is critical was easy, the reel palms well, and is a silky caster.
It'll be a great reel for rubber, too, line pick up is very fast.
Perhaps it felt really good to me because reeling slower got the bait cooking very well, and in fact caused me to have to slow down several times to keep the bait in the water. The reel didn't bind, or get 'hard to reel'.
As far as I know, there's two of these reels out there right now. We'll see what Jiggy has to say soon.
The handles feel quite different, especially the grips. Keith commented that the handle was very comfortable, and I agree.
Only 4 hours on her so far, but we'll get more, including a complete video showing how the reel performs very soon. |
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| Sorry if I missed it but any idea on msrp? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | $399.00. Limited production for now. |
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Location: Lake St.Clair | Lefty possibility?
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Not discussed yet, but probably not ready for production. |
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Location: Lake St.Clair | Darn..... I sure hope so |
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| ToothTamer - 6/9/2016 3:06 PM
Lefty possibility?
Buy a Toro Beast in LH, drop in Rocket gears (when available).
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Location: Yahara River Chain | johndtuttle - 6/10/2016 10:44 AM
ToothTamer - 6/9/2016 3:06 PM
Lefty possibility?
Buy a Toro Beast in LH, drop in Rocket gears (when available ). : )
You do realize that the gears for a LH are not cut the same way as a RH eel? Therefore they are not interchangeable.
If LH gears are available, then the Beast Rocket will be as well. Its not like Rocket 7.5 gears are currently made for the LH Revo Toro Beast now. |
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| muskie! nut - 6/10/2016 11:11 AM
johndtuttle - 6/10/2016 10:44 AM
ToothTamer - 6/9/2016 3:06 PM
Lefty possibility?
Buy a Toro Beast in LH, drop in Rocket gears (when available ). : )
You do realize that the gears for a LH are not cut the same way as a RH eel? Therefore they are not interchangeable.
If LH gears are available, then the Beast Rocket will be as well. Its not like Rocket 7.5 gears are currently made for the LH Revo Toro Beast now.
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Location: Neenah wi | When is the release date for this reel. And is it worth buying over the beast? Does it handle double 10s better than the low gear ratio? I have my winches that I love wanted to get a beast to get one. |
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| Steve,
Just out of curiosity why is this reel cheaper then the beast. Is it more of a bass reel. On the demo video they are throwing what looks to be like bass baits. You think a high speed reel such as the Rocket would draw a higher price tag. Are the parts in the Rocket not as good as the beast? I'm not complaining, just curious. |
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Location: mercer wi | You probly found the abu rocket. The new one Is a toro. Totally diffrent reels |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | $399.00.
July 15 limited availability. |
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| Thanks, will you only be able to get them on abu's site? |
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Location: mercer wi | So I read steve you will be testing this reel on a 9' rod. Could that be a white rod. If so, when could that hit market and any other new models. |
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Location: Madison, WI | I realize there is a limited release, but has anyone found anywhere to pre-order the Toro Rocket? |
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