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Location: minocqua, wi. | this current legislation is limited to a 6 lake group, correct? so it is lake specific which would leave open any other opportunities to be established hopefully a more strategic level??
wanna prove a point to the MN Legislature as a group? go show Garrison, MN that you can carry their economy with musky and smallie fishing and put your money where your mouth is.
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Location: Elk River, MN | Yes currently it is specific to these 6 lakes, but the bigger problem is that if this passes it sets a precedent for all other groups that want to swing their bags of cash around and bully the DNR. One of the main influences behind this bill is the head of the Pelican Lake association; Pelican already has Muskies, this bill doesn't do anything for "his" lake, but what it does do is gets him a giant foot in the door to continue onto the next step of having stocking stopped all together. |
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| I appreciate the sentiment regarding the economy surrounding Mille Lacs but this current anti-muskie effort has zero to do with any positive economic impact of muskie fishing. It is a "my lake" issue nothing more nothing less. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | answer me this ... why has there been no anti-crappie, sunfish, walleye, perch, bass legislation? and do you really truly hang your hat on the notion that some form of legislation against them is on the horizon??
if you do, i suggest either pulling your head out of the sand, jump in a cold lake or slap yourself because you are in a fog. |
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| Sled. What are you yelling about? All the fish you speak of except the state fish don't get stocked.
My original question still stands. Will these anti -muskie groups be able to stop the current MN muskie stocking program? |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | if they want people "off of their lake" ... they would be trying to get fishermen off of it. this is a musky issue ... they don't like them, are afraid based on a precedent called Mille Lacs and want protection for their heritage of lake life. all noble causes if you own lake property. they have a vested interest that is different than the traveling angler and put their money where their mouths are. i suggest a bit of empathy and a more strategic effort or consider yourselves about what folks currently think ...
ask 10 people (home owners) why they don't want muskies and you'll get a variety of answers ...
show up in droves to fish other species for a summer period and see what the response is? ... use some phriggin strategy as a group vs. trying to tell people your pit bull really is a sweet dog and your tats, flat-billed hats, loud music and saggy pants are really endearing.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | how do you "yell" on an internet forum? ... |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | http://www.twincities.com/2011/05/12/gov-mark-dayton-has-a-muskie-o...
Hopefully this guy will help. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | somebody ought to get him in a boat with them on Vermillion ... i suggest one of the gentlemen of our sport ...
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Cfollow - 4/7/2016 8:27 AM
Sled. What are you yelling about? All the fish you speak of except the state fish don't get stocked.
My original question still stands. Will these anti -muskie groups be able to stop the current MN muskie stocking program?
looks to me like they stock a couple walleyes ... http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/lakefind/showreport.html?downum=11030500
they must value them ...
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Location: Chisholm, MN | jonnysled - 4/7/2016 8:38 AM
somebody ought to get him in a boat with them on Vermillion ... i suggest one of the gentlemen of our sport ...
good post Kirby ...
My wife sent him an email offering him my services  |
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Location: Contrarian Island | I don't think the sky is falling yet but I agree with others that if this passes it opens pandoras box for guys like the dipsh*t on Pelican who hate muskies, have too much money, and nothing better to do except shoot geese in his yard (true story google it) to push the Rep in his area to get the musky stocking program stopped on "his" lake... what will the MN stocking program look like in 10 yrs? I honestly don't see it being better and maybe much worse than it is now... everyone that likes to musky fish even 1 hour a year should be writing and calling the Reps/Senators and the Governor of MN ... |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | ok, as long as we're using generalities CFollow ... 'll me guess ... Trump supporter?
when you want something someone else doesn't want it's first important to understand your position in the negotiation. you act like you are perceived so don't be surprised when you get what you get. imagine the notion that 2 parties come together in a compromise for something both can live with ... especially if you represent the party that didn't hold any chips in the beginning? yah, that would suck.
sled's suggestion is to understand the issue at its core first and consider responding to it even if it means getting organized within the ranks ...
i'm going to guess you are a directed employee and not a managing employee?
spot-on Smelly!
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My point is that muskies are the red herring and your point is that they are THE issue. I guess we just disagree. They don't want anyone on "their lake". They won't get the state to nuke the entire lake killing all the fish and keeping all fisherman off the lake and they like walleyes. Muskies are their easiest target to reduce traffic on "their" lakes. It really is that simple. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | go fish their walleyes in huge numbers and test the theory ... but, remember ... in your words, they don't stock walleyes, right?
i bet if i go there to walleye fish, they won't stop me ... in-fact, they put quite a bit of effort to recruit fishing tourism to the area specifically naming the lakes in question.
http://www.visitbrainerd.com/things-to-do/fishing/
i couldn't paint a better and more accurate picture of the typical musky fisherman if i tried ... thanks CFollow
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Cfollow - 4/7/2016 9:05 AM
It's a muskie issue according to Sled and he would like to employ the" if we just love them they won't hate us" strategy. How is that working for Europe in the fight against ISIS? SMH.
That's ridiculous. ISIS? Not even close, you missed the entire target. Heck, you missed the shooting range on that one. That comment, if it was to be used against the muskie community, would do some damage.
It's about the fine art of negotiation and the use of PR and political influence. Regardless of what is assumed to be the end goal, your opposition has done an exceptional job of both by presenting the muskie stocking issue as the opening volley, and has the muskie community on the edge of over defensive; exactly the intent.
Knowing your opposition, understanding their motivation, intent and probable next steps in their 'program' clearly, and answering as ONE voice without defensive, rude, emotionally charged rhetoric while focusing strictly on the issues at hand is paramount.
There are some wildly obvious weak points in the anti-muskie crowd's current attack on stocking. I think the group representing the muskie community over there has done all they can to impress upon those they are recruiting on MuskieFIRST to join the debate that those issues can be presented and win the day IF presented well, in an organized and respectful manner, and without a ton of emotionally charged rhetoric. Remember, 'we' are not trying to change the anti-muskie lobby's mind YET, the emphasis is on effectively building real, sustained, factually supported strong opposition within the lawmaking community to the current bills.
Right now it IS all about muskie stocking. That's the debate, that's the proposed legislation, and anything beyond that is secondary to the resolution..one way or the other... of this issue.
Are 'we' losing this one? Right now, I'd say it's a possibility, and there's your sign. |
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Location: Ashland WI | jonnysled - 4/7/2016 8:34 AM
how do you "yell" on an internet forum? ...
THIS IS HOW YOU "YELL" ON AN INTERNET FORUM!!! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Not even close to true, there's a better than 50/50 chance of winning the day if the debate is handled well.
Self fulfilling prophesy, if that's how the MN muskie community wants it, though. |
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Location: Alex or Alek? | jonnysled - 4/7/2016 8:49 AM
Cfollow - 4/7/2016 8:27 AM
Sled. What are you yelling about? All the fish you speak of except the state fish don't get stocked.
My original question still stands. Will these anti -muskie groups be able to stop the current MN muskie stocking program?
looks to me like they stock a couple walleyes ... http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/lakefind/showreport.html?downum=11030500
they must value them ...
Sled you missed what he said, "all the fish except the state fish" our state fish is the walleye. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | got it ... yah.
so, organize and go in droves to gull lake and fill the ramps ... find out if they want you on "their" lake or not. |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | Cfollow - 4/7/2016 9:05 AM
It's a muskie issue according to Sled and he would like to employ the" if we just love them they won't hate us" strategy. How is that working for Europe in the fight against ISIS? SMH.
Comparing musky fishermen and ISIS ? Hmmmm...
Maybe it's not so far fetched. There seems to be a marked increase in adoption of fishing hijab (buffs, to most of you) and there are more than a few that behave like terrorists out on the water. Maybe the lakefront owners are on to something. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | dfkiii - 4/7/2016 10:50 AM
Cfollow - 4/7/2016 9:05 AM
It's a muskie issue according to Sled and he would like to employ the" if we just love them they won't hate us" strategy. How is that working for Europe in the fight against ISIS? SMH.
Comparing musky fishermen and ISIS ? Hmmmm...
Maybe it's not so far fetched. There seems to be a marked increase in adoption of fishing hijab (buffs, to most of you ) and there are more than a few that behave like terrorists out on the water. Maybe the lakefront owners are on to something.
Then again, maybe not. Ridiculous. |
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| This is what we are up against guys:
"There is a whole ecosystem out there that's already being messed with with Zebra Mussels. Also, Muskies eat baby Loons. That alone is reason enough not experiment with more MN lakes simply to cater to Musky fishermen."
"If people are yelling, as Paul Hartman says, it is the muskie fishermen who are hollering in the DNR's ears! The majority of fishermen surveyed by the DNR opposed stocking muskies in the proposed lakes. There are plenty of muskies in the Mississippi River, Mille Lacs, and other lakes. We do not need to stock new lakes and put their eco-systems at risk in order to cater to the whims of an entitled group of anglers who want to catch big fish."
The top 2 comments on this article:
http://www.startribune.com/muskie-expo-rolls-into-st-paul-as-lawmak...
The problem is there are enough musky fisherman that act like pricks out on the lake. We as a group need to act better and call out the pricks, so as to not let them smear all of us. |
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| The star tribune comments don't say Muskie fisherman are bad or evil? Bingo?
They are expressing misguided concerns, It is from my experience once someone believes something, it is really difficult to change there mind. No matter how much science or fact you offer up.
Also, you expect all muskie fisherman to be perfect? you will always have bad apples in every bunch, Muskie Fisherman, Walleye fisherman, Cops, priests....etc.
People are People and a perfect group doesnt exist.... Dream for Utopia all you want...it will never happen.... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Self fulfilling prophesy, then? Or do we have an alternative? Read that article, and look at the quote from our camp. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | yet
the walleye group
the crappie group
the sunfish group
the bass group
the priests
the cops
will all hit Gull Lake and enjoy the fishery this coming season. if all are the same, then why is the musky and the musky group being denied?
you really believe it's because they want to close the ramp to anyone but lake home owners? |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | thescottith - 4/7/2016 11:35 AM
Also, you expect all muskie fisherman to be perfect? you will always have bad apples in every bunch, Muskie Fisherman, Walleye fisherman, Cops, priests....etc.
People are People and a perfect group doesnt exist.... Dream for Utopia all you want...it will never happen....
Exactly, but accepting/allowing the bad behavior only serves to reinforce it. People's minds can be changed. Lead by example and correct bad behavior when you see it. If a few poorly behaved musky fishermen can see the light and be better citizens on the lakes then perhaps a few lakeshore owners will start off with a better perception.
While the road to "Utopia" may be a long one, we'll never get closer to it unless we're collectively willing take a few steps. |
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| Why Muskies are Bad? misconception in my mind. Just like people blaming wolves...Wolves are bad and savages and kill all the deer.? ah no. People by into Myths and such really easy, believe what they are told by friends or parents, authority figures without doing any real research or looking into things.
I know I see crazy stuff on the water from Every group of fisherman and none fisherman. I dont accept it but what can i do? you can try and educate people and hope for the best... but people are stubborn and set in there ways...I have met people that straight up say... I'm an AS#$#%$# and if you dont like...too bad..
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Location: Ashland WI | jonnysled - 4/7/2016 12:00 PM
yet
the walleye group
the crappie group
the sunfish group
the bass group
the priests
the cops
will all hit Gull Lake and enjoy the fishery this coming season. if all are the same, then why is the musky and the musky group being denied?
you really believe it's because they want to close the ramp to anyone but lake home owners?
Why does it have to be an either/or? Can it be a little of both? |
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| Been over a decade for me hanging around the musky crowd and chasing these fish...
Based on what I've seen and heard and experienced, it's a combination of misunderstanding the impacts of muskies in a lake, and perhaps more importantly not wanting a bunch of loud/foul mouthed musky fishing jerks fishing their lakes.
It's easy to generalize, and we all do it. There are a lot of great people in musky fishing. But there are also quite a few that likely leave a bad taste in the mouth of most people they encounter.
THAT is the biggest problem, IMO.
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I fish very crowded musky lakes loaded with musky anglers and i can't recall a single incident where I thought a musky angler was out of line. Jet ski's and wake board boats? All the time. Lots of attitude in musky fishing but I can't say I've seen it on the water. |
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People remember and concentrate on the bad, never mind all the muskie guys taking vets and the disabled fishing, doing cancer benefits, memorial funds or... |
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Who are these musky guys being obnoxious to on the lakes?
I fish very crowded musky lakes loaded with musky anglers and i can't recall a single incident where I thought a musky angler was out of line. Jet ski's and wake board boats? All the time. Lots of attitude in musky fishing but I can't say I've seen it on the water.
All it takes is one. 100 will go by unnoticed, but the one guy with the loud stereo, yelling and swearing in the boat, tearing around the lake at WOT, etc. is what people will remember. |
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^Bingo
People remember and concentrate on the bad, never mind all the muskie guys taking vets and the disabled fishing, doing cancer benefits, memorial funds or...
How are all of the genuine and notable deeds done by musky guys positively affecting people's experiences on the lake ? Answer: they don't. Focus on where the problem originates.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Where are the Musky guys who care so much about Mille Lacs just down the road? Now, I agree that misinformation is what it is but it is information. Information from any source gives life to opinion and the opinion of Muskies to general fishermen and lake home owners is not what you believe it should be. But the example is you come in big and leave a wake behind you when you leave town for the next frontier. |
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| The sheer size of musky lures being thrown these days will also turn some heads. When the lure you're throwing is bigger than any fish they're catching, somehow that can be turned into a negative experience. That, and most people don't appreciate pounders and such being bombed anywhere near their boat while panfishing.
As musky fishermen we are not being treated fairly... haha. I can't help the fact my hands are bigger than theirs. HA
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| I don't see this so much as a musky fisherman are terrible people argument. I do see this as a lake usage battle. Gull lake is already fairly popular. Once you throw muskies into the lake the boat traffic increases at a very large rate. The folk lore surrounding muskie fishing...big teeth, eat all the walleyes and every other fish, cant swim in the water, etc...gives the people who are against musky stocking a shield to hide behind. You can prove these facts wrong all you want, but they will still use this misinformation because they cannot use the real reason they do not want you to stock muskie: they do not want you on the lake they own property on.
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Location: Elk River, MN | jvlast15 - 4/7/2016 12:55 PM
I don't see this so much as a musky fisherman are terrible people argument. I do see this as a lake usage battle. Gull lake is already fairly popular. Once you throw muskies into the lake the boat traffic increases at a very large rate. The folk lore surrounding muskie fishing...big teeth, eat all the walleyes and every other fish, cant swim in the water, etc...gives the people who against musky stocking a shield to hide behind. You can prove these facts wrong all you want, but they will still use this misinformation because they cannot use the real reason they do not want you to stock walleyes: they do not want you on the lake they own property on.
I agree, I really don't think its the muskie fisherman persona that these people are against, after all, how many of these lake owners are encountering muskie fisherman on "their" lakes.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | jvlast15 - 4/7/2016 12:55 PM
I don't see this so much as a musky fisherman are terrible people argument. I do see this as a lake usage battle. Gull lake is already fairly popular. Once you throw muskies into the lake the boat traffic increases at a very large rate. The folk lore surrounding muskie fishing...big teeth, eat all the walleyes and every other fish, cant swim in the water, etc...gives the people who against musky stocking a shield to hide behind. You can prove these facts wrong all you want, but they will still use this misinformation because they cannot use the real reason they do not want you to stock walleyes: they do not want you on the lake they own property on.
You are not paying attention to the overall message being forwarded by the anti-Muskie crowd. Someone other than sled...what is the message to the uneducated public from the anti crowd about muskies and muskie anglers? THAT is being perpetuated and confirmed..over and over...by none other than us. Lots of words could have been quoted in the linked article on our behalf, but what exactly was quoted? |
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| Aaron Meyer, co-chairman of the Minnesota Muskie and Pike Alliance, said the bills are fueled by fear-mongering by lakeshore property owners who say muskies will decimate walleyes and panfish.
"One thing they are good at is selling garbage," Meyer said of anti-muskie forces. "They don't own these lakes."
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| "One thing they are good at is selling garbage," Meyer said of anti-muskie forces. "They don't own these lakes."
Obviously these statements don't help a thing other than show an attitude which in turn is attributed to the muskie group at large. Isn't that the media for you though? I would imagine he said a lot more than that but that is what they decided to quote.
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| Is that not how you win in politics these days? I am not going to turn this into a presidential race debate, but who is doing the best in the polls these days? The idiots that talk the loudest and make the biggest fuss. The qualified candidates that wait for their turn to talk get steam rolled or ignored. The ones that scream and yell and make fun do well. Its really sad that it is that way, but unfortunately, that's how it is. Is this really that different? |
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Location: Minneconia | I think it's funny that most of the commentary in this particular thread about Minnesota is from Wisconsin. The substance, however, is not funny.
I also agree that the attitude and behavior(the "bad azz" metal crowd as it were)of enough of the musky fishing public to be dangerous does not help the perception of the sport as a whole.
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I think it's funny that most of the commentary in this particular thread about Minnesota is from Wisconsin. The substance, however, is not funny.
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I think it's funny that Minnesotans criticized the WI-DNR for continuing to hold spring C.C. meetings. Allowing the public to provide input instead of the DNR managing as they see fit such as in Minnesota. Not saying either way is right or wrong but...
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i grew up in MN, have fished Mille Lacs regularly over my lifetime, still have ties there and spend a week a month or more there (engaged to a mud hen) and pay money into the tax base being managed in this DNR situation ... but, I did laugh when the field goal went wide left so i do resemble your comment. |
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| I've already got cash in my back pocket to contribute to the MMPA at the show, I'm proud of the work Aaron has done for both our local MI chapter and on the state level and anyone who has ever fished muskies in Minnesota owes Underhill a debt that is impossible to ever fully repay.
There are a lot of jerks in our sport. Selfishness and envy bring out the worst in us on the water and we created some (but not all) of our own problems but we're up against an equally selfish force in the antis. We were fools to think that opening up all the lakes in the state to spearing would satisfy them. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | no but Wisconsin fish are small, remember?
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Location: Minneapolis | jvlast15 - 4/7/2016 1:55 PM
I don't see this so much as a musky fisherman are terrible people argument. I do see this as a lake usage battle. Gull lake is already fairly popular. Once you throw muskies into the lake the boat traffic increases at a very large rate. The folk lore surrounding muskie fishing...big teeth, eat all the walleyes and every other fish, cant swim in the water, etc...gives the people who are against musky stocking a shield to hide behind. You can prove these facts wrong all you want, but they will still use this misinformation because they cannot use the real reason they do not want you to stock muskie: they do not want you on the lake they own property on.
I agree. I think people are down on muskie fishermen because they see more of us "all of a sudden" after a lake is stocked, and it's clear we are muskie fishermen because of the big lures, nets, etc. We travel to the new likes precisely because there are not as many muskie lakes. We are concentrated on the few lakes that hold muskies, and we stand out more because of the tackle we use.
So from that perspective, yes, stocking muskies in a lake will definitely increase the visible traffic on that lake - more so than stocking a new walleye lake would. There are thousands of walleye lakes in MN, the pressure is spread out much more.
The lake owners see more pressure on "their" lakes, and they don't like it. They know muskie anglers travel more, so they may be concerned about zebra mussels and milfoil appearing in "their" lakes. If ten more boats showed up at a landing to fish for bass or walleyes, they would not stand out from the crowd, even though the added pressure and chance of introducing aquatic invasives is no different.
None of the above means I agree with the no-stocking arguments. Of course, all the lakes in MN are everybody's lakes. I think there is an argument to be made that adding new muskie lakes would *reduce* the muskie fishing pressure on some of the existing lakes like Pelican because it would spread us out more. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | MTJ - 4/7/2016 1:58 PM
I've already got cash in my back pocket to contribute to the MMPA at the show, I'm proud of the work Aaron has done for both our local MI chapter and on the state level and anyone who has ever fished muskies in Minnesota owes Underhill a debt that is impossible to ever fully repay.
There are a lot of jerks in our sport. Selfishness and envy bring out the worst in us on the water and we created some (but not all) of our own problems but we're up against an equally selfish force in the antis. We were fools to think that opening up all the lakes in the state to spearing would satisfy them.
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Location: oswego, il | 78 acre Upper Long lake in Indiana is stocked with musky. The homowers welcomed the fish. Then came the guides, sometimes two and three at one time. To this day there are usually two there on the weekends. Then came the fisherman. Then came the complaints. The ramp with 4-5 rigs with fib tags plus guides. Everyone including the guides are very courteous. Now the lake recieves far fewer fish. The pressure is still there.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Home Owners Association Meeting? Going over the "it's our Lake" proposals? Or walleye and pout fishing without the wolf in the water? |
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| I'm not trying to get into a big discussion, but what if they are using Musky Stocking to also address the "mass of ice fisherman" problem? Or the usage of big loud pleasure boats?
What if this is not a musky issue, but rather using the musky issue as a vehicle? |
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Location: The desert | If you don't think that limiting traffic and lake use is a goal by this movement, you're naive. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Looks like Muskies are the least of their concern ... I bet they wish their lake was located northwest of Red Lake! The Mille Lacs dominoes effect in play. |
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Location: The desert | Same group fought a facelift to the access already on "their" lake, that actually resulted in a reduction of a few parking spaces (I think, maybe it was no net gain), because a rejuvenated access would attract more boaters. They've also pushed to have one of the accesses closed citing AIS as a concern. Make no mistake, muskies are a mere puppet. I hear about ideas and pilot projects aimed at closing/limiting accesses all the time. |
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| You can't compare MN to WI...you are missing a HUGE component in this whole debate. "Fishing Culture"...WI has had a muskie culture since before most of us were born. MN has to some extent with the Mississippi...but most lakes, Pelican included is "new". Well...within the last 40 years. These same cabin owners had these fish introduced and quite frankly...were not educated as well as they could have been in the process. The fear is real...after muskies have been in Pelican for 37 years...these same cabin owners still have that same fear that the muskies are going to eat them out of house and home. Fast forward 3-4 generations and these cabin owners now have always had muskies in the lake...muskie will most likely no longer be the scapegoat.
These anti-muskie bills are slippery, slippery, slope...I am afraid the writing is on the wall...I am happy I was able to fish through the MN boom...because as much as I hate to believe it...those days are over!
I can only hope for the future we can at least retain what many have worked hard to build...in 20 years MN can take another run at it cuz the main opposition we are fighting now will be gone. Time will heal the cultural imbalance.
Thanks to anyone who reads this who took time to email or call a MN Representative on this issue and request support!!!
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Location: Contrarian Island | spot on Brett, the musky "culture" is VERY different in WI ... visit a place like Boulder Junction, the "Musky capital of the world" and you will realize how different MN and WI... in northern WI the musky, is revered as a huge attraction to the area, in MN it is almost the opposite... MN overall does not cater to the musky fishermen like Northern WI does.. totally different vibe and feel ...you walk into any bar or restaurant in northern WI and the locals are happy to see you and ask you about the big one that got away....in MN you aren't exactly welcomed by the locals if you know what I mean.... that is what we are fighting against... and like Brett said, I'm glad we got to see MN at it's peak cuz the Govt stepping in will only make it go downhill from here...sad to say but that is what I see...
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | Kirby Budrow - 4/7/2016 4:04 PM
Gull Lake fishing pressure before muskie introduction
Nice try, but the Jaycees world's largest charity ice fishing event isn't really "all season pressure", is it ?
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Location: Hastings, mn, 55033 | I'd encourage those who believe this is solely a muskie issue to take a cruise around Gull Lake and see if you spot more fishing boats or pleasure craft sitting at docks or on lifts. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | castmaster - 4/8/2016 6:23 AM
I'd encourage those who believe this is solely a muskie issue to take a cruise around Gull Lake and see if you spot more fishing boats or pleasure craft sitting at docks or on lifts.
if that is so obvious then surely the overall fishing community is involved in contacting the legislature, right? and why do they still allow the walleye stocking vs. pushing against it? anybody have a pulse on that?
i wonder where walleyedan will move his business?
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| ^^ But as has been stated before, there are thousands of walleye lakes. Stocking walleyes does not significantly increase pressure, and they have been doing that for years now anyway. Creating a new musky lake would create a lot more pressure, because there are less musky lakes so divide all of the musky anglers. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | jvlast15 - 4/8/2016 6:56 AM
^^ But as has been stated before, there are thousands of walleye lakes. Stocking walleyes does not significantly increase pressure, and they have been doing that for years now anyway. Creating a new musky lake would create a lot more pressure, because there are less musky lakes so divide all of the musky anglers.
i'm in agreement with you. i don't buy into the notion that the defense by the homeowners to muskies is part of a ploy to take their lake private. the area is similar to ours and depends on tourism. does anyone really think that blocking tourism is going to fly in the Brainerd area?
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Location: Elk River, MN | How many homeowners on the lakes, like Gull for example, do you suppose are actually dedicated fishermen? An honest question to really consider. Especially when talking about Gull, I know its a pleasure lake more than fishing, ten fold.
I understand where Sled is coming from as maybe its not entirely to keep people out, but possibly they also don't want anything to change and allow more people in.
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Location: The desert | jonnysled - 4/8/2016 7:02 AM
jvlast15 - 4/8/2016 6:56 AM
^^ But as has been stated before, there are thousands of walleye lakes. Stocking walleyes does not significantly increase pressure, and they have been doing that for years now anyway. Creating a new musky lake would create a lot more pressure, because there are less musky lakes so divide all of the musky anglers.
i'm in agreement with you. i don't buy into the notion that the defense by the homeowners to muskies is part of a ploy to take their lake private. the area is similar to ours and depends on tourism. does anyone really think that blocking tourism is going to fly in the Brainerd area?
I don't know, there has been someone fairly vocal about the lack of need for tourism in the Minoqua area..... |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | It speaks volumes when the local population prefers jet skiers to musky fishermen on "their" lake. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Pointerpride102 - 4/8/2016 7:41 AM
jonnysled - 4/8/2016 7:02 AM
jvlast15 - 4/8/2016 6:56 AM
^^ But as has been stated before, there are thousands of walleye lakes. Stocking walleyes does not significantly increase pressure, and they have been doing that for years now anyway. Creating a new musky lake would create a lot more pressure, because there are less musky lakes so divide all of the musky anglers.
i'm in agreement with you. i don't buy into the notion that the defense by the homeowners to muskies is part of a ploy to take their lake private. the area is similar to ours and depends on tourism. does anyone really think that blocking tourism is going to fly in the Brainerd area?
I don't know, there has been someone fairly vocal about the lack of need for tourism in the Minoqua area.....
that someone works out of his house and in Honduras and doesn't depend on tourism to make a living. if our town was a third its size i'd be happy, but i generally don't like people and don't get much traction in the legislature. |
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Location: The desert | jonnysled - 4/8/2016 7:48 AM
Pointerpride102 - 4/8/2016 7:41 AM
jonnysled - 4/8/2016 7:02 AM
jvlast15 - 4/8/2016 6:56 AM
^^ But as has been stated before, there are thousands of walleye lakes. Stocking walleyes does not significantly increase pressure, and they have been doing that for years now anyway. Creating a new musky lake would create a lot more pressure, because there are less musky lakes so divide all of the musky anglers.
i'm in agreement with you. i don't buy into the notion that the defense by the homeowners to muskies is part of a ploy to take their lake private. the area is similar to ours and depends on tourism. does anyone really think that blocking tourism is going to fly in the Brainerd area?
I don't know, there has been someone fairly vocal about the lack of need for tourism in the Minoqua area.....
that someone works out of his house and in Honduras and doesn't depend on tourism to make a living. if our town was a third its size i'd be happy, but i generally don't like people and don't get much traction in the legislature.
I bet if you made a few million more dollars, your traction would improve! |
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| I really debated putting a reply up here but was encouraged by a good friend and great musky fisherman to do so.
This whole thing stems from lake property owners not wanting increased traffic on the lakes they live on and I completely understand that. (it is just cloaked on walleyes and other things as that doesn't sound selfish)
I have lived on a lake that has muskies for a long time and have been very involved with the Lake Association even holding an officer position for many years until recently.
The big problem from a lakeshore owner point of view is the vast amount of pressure, especially musky fishing pressure, puts on a lake. For those of you who don't live on a lake, how would you like it if on a nice quiet evening you wanted to enjoy a next door neighbor threw a wild party or a bunch of kids were running around screaming?
Last year the weekend before musky opener I was sitting on my dock and there was not a boat on the lake. I was lamenting the fact that the next weekend would be boats ripping all over until freeze up. Musky fishing in Minnesota is a growing sport and there is not enough water for the amount of fishermen.
It would also be great to eliminate jet skis, but too many property owners have them and they are a draw to bring up family for the weekend.
My point is that people can say what they want, but who isn't giddy when they are the only boat on a lake fishing muskies on a nice calm beautiful evening compared to fishing Minnetonka on Thursday night sailing league and nearly needing earplugs from all the boats ripping around the lake and the rough water.
Waters are public and should not be manipulated or owned by lake owners. If Minnesota could raise the number of waters with muskies way beyond the pressure, boat traffic would not be such an issue. Too bad we can't have 200 more lakes to spread the boat traffic out.
I don't see this issue going away anytime soon, but to the people negative about muskies in Minnesota that will change and more water will be added. Sometimes a person can lose the fight, but win the war. |
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| I'd bet the folks who own homes on the popular musky lakes would be behind stocking other lakes knowing it would take some pressure off their lake. If it's true that the wealthy lakefront landowners have more influence than the average joe, that's who needs to get behind this. |
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Location: Eagan, MN | I don't discount that the average lake home owner might not want muskies stocked because of the increased boating pressure the fish brings, but my experience is that here in MN, where the walleye is king, there is a LOT of hostility towards muskies by walleye anglers who are not lake home owners.
Brett is right about the difference between Wisconsin and Minnesota when it comes to the culture of musky. Wisconsin embraces them and Minnesotan's see them as a threat. The relative value of walleye vs. musky flips once you cross the border.
So, the question for us Minnesotans should be: How do we promote and encourage the culture and tradition of muskies that Wisconsin enjoys? I get it about being respectful of the lake property owners, but there is something more than just that at the heart of the cultural differences between the two states when it comes to muskies.
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| BrianF. - 4/8/2016 9:46 AM
I don't discount that the average lake home owner might not want muskies stocked because of the increased boating pressure the fish brings, but my experience is that here in MN, where the walleye is king, there is a LOT of hostility towards muskies by walleye anglers who are not lake home owners.
Brett is right about the difference between Wisconsin and Minnesota when it comes to the culture of musky. Wisconsin embraces them and Minnesotan's see them as a threat. The relative value of walleye vs. musky flips once you cross the border.
So, the question for us Minnesotans should be: How do we promote and encourage the culture and tradition of muskies that Wisconsin enjoys? I get it about being respectful of the lake property owners, but there is something more than just that at the heart of the cultural differences between the two states when it comes to muskies.
This is the long term answer in my opinion. We can play defense all day with these kinds of things, but in the end the ultimate solution is to grow the sport and increase not just the volume of our advocacy, but also the number voices who support our sport. |
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| Thanks for the reply ande.
I have one question.
When it comes time for you or a neighbor to sell that lake front property on a muskie lake that is so busy with pressure is the price lower than a similar property on a similar sized non-muskie lake in the area?? |
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I think no difference in price. Actually I think it could help that Muskies are in the lake.
Also the second biggest fear from an introduction standpoint to the lakeshore property owner is the urban legend, sea monster, and fairytale surrounding Muskies that will destroy the lake.
People fear what they don't understand. |
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Location: The desert | ande - 4/8/2016 10:31 AM
Cfollow,
I think no difference in price. Actually I think it could help that Muskies are in the lake.
Also the second biggest fear from an introduction standpoint to the lakeshore property owner is the urban legend, sea monster, and fairytale surrounding Muskies that will destroy the lake.
People fear what they don't understand.
I've been looking at cabins in northern MN. From what I've seen (anecdotal) prices seem higher on musky lakes. Rusty's up north realty has a search feature that searches all properties available on musky lakes. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | well, that was easy ... all you gotta do is send a flier to the homeowners and show up at the meetings with the realtor telling them their homes will lose value without the decision to open up to muskies.
crap, that was easy. didn't even need all three pages ...
good work team! |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | jonnysled - 4/8/2016 10:43 AM
well, that was easy ... all you gotta do is send a flier to the homeowners and show up at the meetings with the realtor telling them their homes will lose value without the decision to open up to muskies.
crap, that was easy. didn't even need all three pages ...
good work team!
Easy to prove with objective evidence too. Put together some fancy graphs and show the 2, 5, and 10 year increases in property value for musky/non musky lakes and watch the attitudes change.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | may not be tied directly to the subject but saw this as many of you probably have ... some pretty creative civil disobedience.
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Location: Hastings, mn, 55033 | Pointerpride102 - 4/8/2016 7:51 AM
jonnysled - 4/8/2016 7:48 AM
Pointerpride102 - 4/8/2016 7:41 AM
jonnysled - 4/8/2016 7:02 AM
jvlast15 - 4/8/2016 6:56 AM
^^ But as has been stated before, there are thousands of walleye lakes. Stocking walleyes does not significantly increase pressure, and they have been doing that for years now anyway. Creating a new musky lake would create a lot more pressure, because there are less musky lakes so divide all of the musky anglers.
i'm in agreement with you. i don't buy into the notion that the defense by the homeowners to muskies is part of a ploy to take their lake private. the area is similar to ours and depends on tourism. does anyone really think that blocking tourism is going to fly in the Brainerd area?
I don't know, there has been someone fairly vocal about the lack of need for tourism in the Minoqua area.....
that someone works out of his house and in Honduras and doesn't depend on tourism to make a living. if our town was a third its size i'd be happy, but i generally don't like people and don't get much traction in the legislature.
I bet if you made a few million more dollars, your traction would improve!
Even better, I bet if he was a State Legislator he would get some traction. By George he may even have the authority to write his very own Bill. On top of that he might even find some of his "coworkers" are willing to trade votes with him to ensure everyone's pet Bills pass.
For anyone that has an open mind and wants to get a better picture of things, I'd encourage you to google search Gull Lake MN Resorts. Take a look at what's promoted. See how many resort websites have a fishing report. How many have pictures of fish, or fishermen/women. Then see how many talk a lot about fine dining, world class golf courses, spas, water skiing etc.
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Location: deephaven mn | Is it possible that stocking new lakes with Muskies that the pressure on the existing Muskie lake will diminish?
if it is i would think other lake association would be pro stocking new Muskie lakes to re leave pressure on the lake they reside. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | castmaster - 4/8/2016 4:31 PM
Pointerpride102 - 4/8/2016 7:51 AM
jonnysled - 4/8/2016 7:48 AM
Pointerpride102 - 4/8/2016 7:41 AM
jonnysled - 4/8/2016 7:02 AM
jvlast15 - 4/8/2016 6:56 AM
^^ But as has been stated before, there are thousands of walleye lakes. Stocking walleyes does not significantly increase pressure, and they have been doing that for years now anyway. Creating a new musky lake would create a lot more pressure, because there are less musky lakes so divide all of the musky anglers.
i'm in agreement with you. i don't buy into the notion that the defense by the homeowners to muskies is part of a ploy to take their lake private. the area is similar to ours and depends on tourism. does anyone really think that blocking tourism is going to fly in the Brainerd area?
I don't know, there has been someone fairly vocal about the lack of need for tourism in the Minoqua area.....
that someone works out of his house and in Honduras and doesn't depend on tourism to make a living. if our town was a third its size i'd be happy, but i generally don't like people and don't get much traction in the legislature.
I bet if you made a few million more dollars, your traction would improve!
Even better, I bet if he was a State Legislator he would get some traction. By George he may even have the authority to write his very own Bill. On top of that he might even find some of his "coworkers" are willing to trade votes with him to ensure everyone's pet Bills pass.
For anyone that has an open mind and wants to get a better picture of things, I'd encourage you to google search Gull Lake MN Resorts. Take a look at what's promoted. See how many resort websites have a fishing report. How many have pictures of fish, or fishermen/women. Then see how many talk a lot about fine dining, world class golf courses, spas, water skiing etc.
friends of mine use this guide and he is outstanding ... gull is on our list for next winter. your theory reads good, but it doesn't hold water.
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Location: Hastings, mn, 55033 | jonnysled - 4/7/2016 12:27 PM
Where are the Musky guys who care so much about Mille Lacs just down the road? Now, I agree that misinformation is what it is but it is information. Information from any source gives life to opinion and the opinion of Muskies to general fishermen and lake home owners is not what you believe it should be. But the example is you come in big and leave a wake behind you when you leave town for the next frontier.
According to what I saw with my own eyes a lot of those "musky guys" are still there, at least the MN guys. Additionally, in talking to several resort owners all of them were really happy the musky and smallmouth anglers still patronized their businesses even after the vitriol some directed their way.
Now where did all those civic minded "walleye guys" go? Seems they are the ones who took off for bluer waters. Where is all their concern for those businesses?
You have also talked about the "bad attitude" of "musky guys". We must fish very different places and know very different people. In my experiences the "walleye guys" are louder and more party oriented than "musky guys". Hell some of the stuff I witnessed anchored among the slip bobber flotillas on Mille Lacs would make George Carlin blush.
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Location: Hastings, mn, 55033 | jonnysled - 4/8/2016 5:11 PM
castmaster - 4/8/2016 4:31 PM
Pointerpride102 - 4/8/2016 7:51 AM
jonnysled - 4/8/2016 7:48 AM
Pointerpride102 - 4/8/2016 7:41 AM
jonnysled - 4/8/2016 7:02 AM
jvlast15 - 4/8/2016 6:56 AM
^^ But as has been stated before, there are thousands of walleye lakes. Stocking walleyes does not significantly increase pressure, and they have been doing that for years now anyway. Creating a new musky lake would create a lot more pressure, because there are less musky lakes so divide all of the musky anglers.
i'm in agreement with you. i don't buy into the notion that the defense by the homeowners to muskies is part of a ploy to take their lake private. the area is similar to ours and depends on tourism. does anyone really think that blocking tourism is going to fly in the Brainerd area?
I don't know, there has been someone fairly vocal about the lack of need for tourism in the Minoqua area.....
that someone works out of his house and in Honduras and doesn't depend on tourism to make a living. if our town was a third its size i'd be happy, but i generally don't like people and don't get much traction in the legislature.
I bet if you made a few million more dollars, your traction would improve!
Even better, I bet if he was a State Legislator he would get some traction. By George he may even have the authority to write his very own Bill. On top of that he might even find some of his "coworkers" are willing to trade votes with him to ensure everyone's pet Bills pass.
For anyone that has an open mind and wants to get a better picture of things, I'd encourage you to google search Gull Lake MN Resorts. Take a look at what's promoted. See how many resort websites have a fishing report. How many have pictures of fish, or fishermen/women. Then see how many talk a lot about fine dining, world class golf courses, spas, water skiing etc.
friends of mine use this guide and he is outstanding ... gull is on our list for next winter. your theory reads good, but it doesn't hold water.
http://www.walleyedan.com
Yep, totally wrong I am...
http://www.maddens.com/sem-homepage.html?gclid=CICCi4KJgMwCFQusaQod...
http://www.craguns.com/
Probably the 2 most popular resorts on the lake. Clearly cater to the fishing crowd. 
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Location: minocqua, wi. | tolle141 - 4/8/2016 11:30 PM
Have we contacted the big fishing companies in the midwest? Like Pure Fishing/Abu Garcia, Crestliner, Lund, Ranger, Alumacraft, mercury marine, Shimano, Johnson outdoors, Lowrance, or st croix rods? What's their involvement in this?
they sell walleye stuff too ... |
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| At the expo it would have been nice if the lines to some of the booths that had all the info on the issues were has long has the lines to some of the lure booths. We would have a big army. |
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Location: Hastings, mn, 55033 | jonnysled - 4/9/2016 7:33 AM
tolle141 - 4/8/2016 11:30 PM
Have we contacted the big fishing companies in the midwest? Like Pure Fishing/Abu Garcia, Crestliner, Lund, Ranger, Alumacraft, mercury marine, Shimano, Johnson outdoors, Lowrance, or st croix rods? What's their involvement in this?
they sell walleye stuff too ...
They do? You sure? And the "walleye guys" haven't put them out of business yet for the traitorous act of manufacturing and selling musky stuff? |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | nice to see this ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=338TH_pwiAI |
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Location: Hastings, mn, 55033 | Something I haven't seen mentioned, although I may have missed it, is that the Co-Author to this Bill, Rep. Gunther dropped his name/support from the bill. He did this at the suggestion of two sportsman's groups. I would venture a guess that those were not muskie oriented groups who got him to change his mind.
PS Here's a couple more lodging options for you Gull Lake trip Sled. Granted the golf courses will probably be closed for the winter, but the spas should still be open!
http://www.grandviewlodge.com/ (A guy just KNOWS he's at a fishing oriented resort when the home page has a big banner for "Golf Opener 2016" and not a single mention of the fishing opener!)
http://quarterdeckresort.com/ ( Probably the most fishing oriented if the "Big 4" resorts on Gull, but I would say its a stretch to call it the resorts primary focus)
Just an heads up, you may want to contact them and ask about fish cleaning facilities. |
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That's a good one indeed. Hopefully Al followed it up with a phone call reminding the legislator(s) that his following includes a big number of MN voters. |
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Location: Hastings, mn, 55033 | dfkiii - 4/9/2016 9:05 AM
That's a good one indeed. Hopefully Al followed it up with a phone call reminding the legislator (s ) that his following includes a big number of MN voters.
Of course his "following" will plummet once the "Walleye Guys" find out about this.
Right Sled??? |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | castmaster - 4/9/2016 9:07 AM
dfkiii - 4/9/2016 9:05 AM
That's a good one indeed. Hopefully Al followed it up with a phone call reminding the legislator (s ) that his following includes a big number of MN voters.
Of course his "following" will plummet once the "Walleye Guys" find out about this.
Right Sled???
It's interesting how some fishermen believe the world revolves around "their" fish, isn't it ?
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Location: North St. Paul, MN | Here is the response I got from my representative that voted to STOP any sort of new stocking...seems the "fear mongering" got to him! yikes...
"Thank you for contacting me about this issue. I understand your concern about musky stocking. However, it is important that that we maintain the population of other species in the waters and do not disrupt the current ecosystem in Minnesota lakes."
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Location: MN | muskyroller - 5/18/2016 11:50 AM
Here is the response I got from my representative that voted to STOP any sort of new stocking...seems the "fear mongering" got to him! yikes...
"Thank you for contacting me about this issue. I understand your concern about musky stocking. However, it is important that that we maintain the population of other species in the waters and do not disrupt the current ecosystem in Minnesota lakes."
I guess your representative doesn't believe the biologists that are hired by the state. |
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Location: North St. Paul, MN | Nershi - 5/18/2016 12:25 PM
muskyroller - 5/18/2016 11:50 AM
Here is the response I got from my representative that voted to STOP any sort of new stocking...seems the "fear mongering" got to him! yikes...
"Thank you for contacting me about this issue. I understand your concern about musky stocking. However, it is important that that we maintain the population of other species in the waters and do not disrupt the current ecosystem in Minnesota lakes."
I guess your representative doesn't believe the biologists that are hired by the state.
Here's my response back...
Chuck,
I'm upset you fell for the fear mongering that has been displayed by those in favor of this bill. There is no science behind any of these claims of "disruption to the current ecosystem." In fact the DNR and the actual science that has been done, proves otherwise. Populations of all game fish are helped by the addition of apex predators to the environment.
Not only limiting fishing opportunities for outdoors-men in our state you've set a precedent for private groups to establish legislature on public waters.
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I'm confused by this, according to this there were only 10 nays, but on facebook it was posted that this was passed by only 1 vote. What am I missing? |
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Location: Alex or Alek? | That was the Senate vote. I haven't seen a list for the house vote yet. |
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RED DOT to the right of their name means they voted against muskie stocking.
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Location: Ashland WI | muskyroller - 5/18/2016 2:54 PM
Nershi - 5/18/2016 12:25 PM
muskyroller - 5/18/2016 11:50 AM
Here is the response I got from my representative that voted to STOP any sort of new stocking...seems the "fear mongering" got to him! yikes...
"Thank you for contacting me about this issue. I understand your concern about musky stocking. However, it is important that that we maintain the population of other species in the waters and do not disrupt the current ecosystem in Minnesota lakes."
I guess your representative doesn't believe the biologists that are hired by the state.
Here's my response back...
Chuck,
I'm upset you fell for the fear mongering that has been displayed by those in favor of this bill. There is no science behind any of these claims of "disruption to the current ecosystem." In fact the DNR and the actual science that has been done, proves otherwise. Populations of all game fish are helped by the addition of apex predators to the environment.
Not only limiting fishing opportunities for outdoors-men in our state you've set a precedent for private groups to establish legislature on public waters.
I like your response. Did he answer you yet? |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | We had the last House vote by 10 and then they left the board open and went around getting people to flip.
There's a chance we can kill it today so cross your fingers. |
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Location: Aurora | I can't quite get my thumb incorporated.
Did you mean all of them?
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Location: MN | Go get 'em Shawn and John |
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Location: St Paul, Minnesota | Muskie Treats - 5/19/2016 8:09 AM
We had the last House vote by 10 and then they left the board open and went around getting people to flip.
There's a chance we can kill it today so cross your fingers.
Get'em Shawn!!
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| bloodlight where did you get that list? THere is no record on "mybills" of a vote on SF2793 in the House? |
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Location: North St. Paul, MN | 14ledo81 - 5/19/2016 6:36 AM
muskyroller - 5/18/2016 2:54 PM
Nershi - 5/18/2016 12:25 PM
muskyroller - 5/18/2016 11:50 AM
Here is the response I got from my representative that voted to STOP any sort of new stocking...seems the "fear mongering" got to him! yikes...
"Thank you for contacting me about this issue. I understand your concern about musky stocking. However, it is important that that we maintain the population of other species in the waters and do not disrupt the current ecosystem in Minnesota lakes."
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I guess your representative doesn't believe the biologists that are hired by the state.
Here's my response back...
Chuck,
I'm upset you fell for the fear mongering that has been displayed by those in favor of this bill. There is no science behind any of these claims of "disruption to the current ecosystem." In fact the DNR and the actual science that has been done, proves otherwise. Populations of all game fish are helped by the addition of apex predators to the environment.
Not only limiting fishing opportunities for outdoors-men in our state you've set a precedent for private groups to establish legislature on public waters.
I like your response. Did he answer you yet?
No response yet, but I will when/if I get one  Edited by muskyroller 5/19/2016 1:40 PM
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bloodlight where did you get that list? THere is no record on "mybills" of a vote on SF2793 in the House?
Maybe it was not the list you all where looking for. It saw it on the Minnesota Muskie Alliance Facebook page. Here is a link to the video it was taken from.
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Location: Minnetonka | Muskie Treats - 5/19/2016 8:09 AM
We had the last House vote by 10 and then they left the board open and went around getting people to flip.
There's a chance we can kill it today so cross your fingers.
Hey Shawn, what was the result here? |
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| Do we have some good news ?????
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Location: Alex or Alek? | This is from the Minnesota Muskie Alliance facebook:
"The game and fish bill is dead. All the cooked up story's and misinformation didn't do them anything but make them look bad in the end. Stay positive and keep fighting Frank Schneider Jr. used to say, and with your help we were able to do just that. Thank you."
AWESOME NEWS!!!! Do we have any first hand accounts from what happened? |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Congratulations ... |
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Location: MN | That is great news! I got an email from a Senator over the weekend saying they do not see this bill going anywhere. Any details on what killed it would be great.
Thanks to those folks at the capital fighting the good fight and to everyone who took the time to contact the reps. |
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| Nershi - 5/23/2016 7:47 AM
I got an email from a Senator over the weekend saying they do not see this bill going anywhere.
I got that email too!
This was from Twin Cities Muskies Inc this morning:
"This years game and fish bill has been canned along with the anti-Muskie language that was in it. We won on a technicality, but a win is a win. We thank everyone for their efforts, but we will be asking more in the months to come. This is an election cycle and we need to make those that are against solid science feel the might of our over 100,000 strong. More details to follow, in the meantime grab a beverage of your choice and hopefully we will enjoy a few new lakes." |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | Redlineracer12 - 5/23/2016 8:10 AM
This was from Twin Cities Muskies Inc this morning:
"This years game and fish bill has been canned along with the anti-Muskie language that was in it. We won on a technicality, but a win is a win. We thank everyone for their efforts, but we will be asking more in the months to come. This is an election cycle and we need to make those that are against solid science feel the might of our over 100,000 strong. More details to follow, in the meantime grab a beverage of your choice and hopefully we will enjoy a few new lakes." First, congrats on the win. As the post above suggests, this is no time to be complacent. The representatives who voted against science are sure to do it again. It's up to you to ensure they don't get to vote the next time around.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Perfect. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | details would be nice... sending a thank you to the reps or senators or whoever shot it down would be a great gesture by the musky community.. |
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Location: oswego, il | Agree with the above. Great job. I suggest bringing a goose call to all future lake association meetings as well. |
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| It is great news,,,
we need to get all the proposed new lakes stocked before they come up with another plot. |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | They basically ran out of time. The G&F went into conference committee in the Senate and they handed that over to Sen Hoffman and Sen Rudd. You may remember these two as the ones in the Senate that fought for the 55" minimum. With the limited amount of time to hear all the components of the G&F, they never got to the muskie language. Darn it...
We are going to need to show these two and several other legislators some love this year as everyone is up for election. Please contact me if you can help. I will probably send something out, but a short list of motivated people would be nice to start with. |
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| Given this has bought us some time, would love some direction on how we can all support what you're doing. Thanks again |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | tolle, we're going to have to get behind these legislators this summer during their campaigns. We are putting together a list of activites where people can help. Stay tuned. |
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Location: Lino Lakes, MN | Treats,
We all want to know how we can help out in this political arena. Thank go out to you, John, and all the others working on our behalf behind the scenes. Without the Minnesota Muskie and Pike Alliance we would all be in deep doo doo.
Keep up the great work
Steve |
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Location: Minneconia | So when do the muskies go in the 6 new lakes? This fall? |
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Location: Blaine, MN | Just thinking out loud here.... (And I know lake shore property owners don't control the resource).... BUT... Does the DNR just scratch Gull off of the list to appease that network and their resources? Maybe create an ally in the process? I realize how it would look, perhaps, as capitulating to the $$$, but initiating some give and take may look good?.?. Just interested in hearing from all opinions and looking at it from all angles as a discussion topic. Really not interested in bashing, or getting bashed.
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| I don't think catering to the wishes of the anti's just to appease them is going to gain us any allies. There are a great many riparian land owners who are misinformed and generally against muskies in their lakes. Once you set that precedent and folks realize they can make a lot of noise and prevent muskies from being introduced, it opens the door for a lot more opposition. |
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http://www.startribune.com/attempt-to-stop-muskie-stocking-fizzles-...
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| How about slip 10 female muskies into every lake that has the criteria met so they would all be previously stocked? |
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Location: Minneconia | So how I read that is they still may not go through with the stocking on some or all of the proposed new lakes? |
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| Let's push for liizzy first
it already has them in and produced some big ones
It will help take pressure off those hard fished west central lakes
And most importantly ,,,,it will RAM it right down that weed and waterfowl killin ego maniac on pelicans throat.
"More satisfying then catching a 50"
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | After hearing that we won:
Brandon (10). So they are going to stock muskies now?
Me: Yes.
Brandon: Does the guys who were against you have docks on the lakes?
Me: Yes
Brandon: We should put them in there then.
I wonder where he gets it from...
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