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Location: The desert | Minnesota muskies need your help. Once again under attack from the same group of "people".
Fill out the survey, but read questions carefully. They are purposely written to solicit the answers they are looking for. Have as many people take it as you can get.
http://surveymonkey.com/r/WP6SQQR |
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| Done and forwarded to 8 friends. if 100 of us did the same we could probably stop this
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| Just a thought, but on their site they request stories. We're on the defense here, and being united is a good start, but when do we reverse the conversation and start telling stories about getting kids off the couch and into the boat? Of getting grandpa the biggest fish of his lifetime? and stories around the hunt for the fish of 10,000 casts?
Right now the only stories being told are from anti-musky groups. We need to change that and paint the musky as the fish of a lifetime and that we're pushing to give everybody that life changing opportunity. |
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| Done. Musky lives matter!
Edited by Musky Face 3/10/2016 10:31 PM
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Location: S.W. WI | Done.
Easy and worth doing. |
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Location: North St. Paul, MN | Done.
Emailed to family and friends.
Easy. |
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Location: Forest Lake, MN & Bemidji, MN | Thanks for posting this. |
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Location: MN | I did the survey. If this group doesn't get the survey results they are looking for my guess is the DNR and muskie advocates will never see the results.
If this group is successful in getting muskie stocking stopped on Pelican and other OTC lakes I hope the DNR stops stocking walleyes in those lakes. After all walleyes are an 'invasive species' on several of those waters. That is if you consider muskies an invasive. |
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| If I was the DNR, I wouldn't give any credence to a survey like this. Besides the obviously biased questions which make it less than scientific, I've taken it twice! What's to keep anyone from skewing the results to suit themselves? Even if SurveyMonkey reports IP addresses with the responses, I've got access to dozens of computers I could use. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Prayers ... |
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| Those were some loaded questions if you were coming into that survey from a neutral position. I agree that if enough muskie supporters take the survey the results will never surface.
I like how the one question claims the opposition of the Knapp survey provides evidence of tough fishing and seeing muskies under docks as proof against the long term scientific study.... ok grandpa. |
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| Done. Easy survey that only took a couple minutes. I, too, suspect we'll never see the results. |
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Location: Waconia,MN | Lol there's only 1100 muskie fisherman in the state cause that's the number of muskies inc members. They want an outside source to do a new servey, how about the Wisconsin dnr. |
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Location: Waconia,MN | Lol there's only 1100 muskie fisherman in the state cause that's the number of muskies inc members. They want an outside source to do a new servey, how about the Wisconsin dnr. |
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| muskie tamer - 3/11/2016 12:01 PM
Lol there's only 1100 muskie fisherman in the state cause that's the number of muskies inc members. They want an outside source to do a new servey, how about the Wisconsin dnr.
I saw that, too.
According to this article, the poll is missing a few zeroes...
http://www.sctimes.com/story/sports/outdoors/2014/06/08/muskies-dra... |
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| Should we be responding to the survey? Or should we be getting the word out that this is a severely slanted survey put out by the very group opposed to muskie stocking? The group gathering the data will probably do whatever they want with the results, as long as it aligns with their views. |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | I believe that our DNR is the ones putting it out. |
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| Muskie Treats - 3/11/2016 3:55 PM I believe that our DNR is the ones putting it out.
Don't think so. Says it's from "MN Lakes and Rivers Advocates" |
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| Does anybody know if you can go to this service when it's done and see their results before whoever commissioned it puts their spin on it.
FYI,,,when I was Secretary for MMA at its beginning. We put together a muskie angler survey that we had people do at muskie expo about size limits,seasons,live bait,everything,,,however for the dnr to accept ANY results we got first we had to submit a copy of the survey to the dnr headquarters so they could review it and make sure no questions were "leading" and if they thought so they had to be rewritten or removed. I wonder if this one was reviewed. |
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Location: MN | If you read just the question I do not think they are misleading.
I was not able to take survey twice. |
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Location: MN | Good point BigMuskieGuy. Someone should save a copy of the intro letter and all the questions in the survey in case they try to use this survey for their purpose. I tried to do it at work and was going to save it in a Word doc but was not able to get in to the survey since I had already done it. |
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Location: The desert | Muskie Treats - 3/11/2016 2:55 PM
I believe that our DNR is the ones putting it out.
No. Not a chance.
The point many are missing is he DNR doesn't care about this survey, nor will they likely ever see the results. They (we) are aware of it, but don't expect to see the results. This was put together for the sole purpose of using the results to give to whichever legislator they've bought and paid for. Thus, if we bolster the pro musky results it will screw up their intentions/hopes.
So, take the survey but don't forget to write several legislators, Tom Landwere, and anyone else you can think of. |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | done - sent it to three others |
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Location: The desert | happy hooker - 3/11/2016 3:33 PM
Does anybody know if you can go to this service when it's done and see their results before whoever commissioned it puts their spin on it.
FYI,,,when I was Secretary for MMA at its beginning. We put together a muskie angler survey that we had people do at muskie expo about size limits,seasons,live bait,everything,,,however for the dnr to accept ANY results we got first we had to submit a copy of the survey to the dnr headquarters so they could review it and make sure no questions were "leading" and if they thought so they had to be rewritten or removed. I wonder if this one was reviewed.
If I had to hazard a guess, this survey was designed to "respond" to the public input that the DNR received and put out showing a majority of the public supporting the musky program. Of course, this group believes that data to be dishonest. |
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| So... What exactly is this lead yahoo's true agenda? He is in his mid 60's. apparently wealthy. Is it really about muskies eating walleyes? NO!.. Is it really about people boating and fishing on "his" lake? NO! or seeing a big fish under his dock? NO!
what is it that drives this guy to travel around, spread false statements, lies, hire lawyers, etc...??? Why is he so butt hurt that he will spend all his associations money fighting this stupid cause???? Has to be something beyond what a single species is perceived doing to the lake that's behind his house. |
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Location: The desert | mnmusky - 3/11/2016 6:38 PM
So... What exactly is this lead yahoo's true agenda? He is in his mid 60's. apparently wealthy. Is it really about muskies eating walleyes? NO!.. Is it really about people boating and fishing on "his" lake? NO! or seeing a big fish under his dock? NO!
what is it that drives this guy to travel around, spread false statements, lies, hire lawyers, etc...??? Why is he so butt hurt that he will spend all his associations money fighting this stupid cause???? Has to be something beyond what a single species is perceived doing to the lake that's behind his house.
It's about people using the lake that landowners believe is "theirs". When you talk to most lakeshore property owners it's never "the lake I live on" it's "my lake". That's truly what this boils down to.
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Location: WI | Survey taken. |
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Location: Minneconia | Done |
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Location: Otsego, MN | Done. Stock those lakes, people will learn to live with Muskies like it or not. |
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Location: MN | I love how they assume everyone fishing Muskie is a Muskie inc member. I don't think they understand the economic impact that these fish have. But if fishing declines people will leave the sport just as they have for other game like birds. |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | Pointerpride102 - 3/11/2016 6:57 PM
mnmusky - 3/11/2016 6:38 PM
So... What exactly is this lead yahoo's true agenda? He is in his mid 60's. apparently wealthy. Is it really about muskies eating walleyes? NO!.. Is it really about people boating and fishing on "his" lake? NO! or seeing a big fish under his dock? NO!
what is it that drives this guy to travel around, spread false statements, lies, hire lawyers, etc...??? Why is he so butt hurt that he will spend all his associations money fighting this stupid cause???? Has to be something beyond what a single species is perceived doing to the lake that's behind his house.
It's about people using the lake that landowners believe is "theirs". When you talk to most lakeshore property owners it's never "the lake I live on" it's "my lake". That's truly what this boils down to.
Why doesn't Minnesota have a public trust doctrine covering all inland lakes ?
Heck, even Wisconsin has this. Well, at least until the current Neanderthal in power decides to reverse this brilliant idea and make lakes accessible to only his rich buddies. |
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| I'm wondering if this bozo's lake were over filled with walleye or bass and everyone and their brothers plus their mothers were out there fishing them like bumper boats if he would be complaining about walleye or bass as an invasive????.
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Location: Hastings, mn, 55033 | Went to fill out the survey and it's been closed? I didn't see anything about it being scheduled to close on a certain day, perhaps they didn't like the results that were coming in? |
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Location: Waconia,MN | castmaster - 3/13/2016 8:22 AM
Went to fill out the survey and it's been closed? I didn't see anything about it being scheduled to close on a certain day, perhaps they didn't like the results that were coming in?
It wouldn't surprise me |
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Location: Hanover, MN | I can't get into it either now... Must not have liked the results. Was the survey up for 2 days?
Edited by Tonkaman 3/13/2016 11:45 AM
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Location: The desert | If that's truly the reason it got pulled, well done. We'll likely never know. |
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| Says site/survey is closed |
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| Maybe we should commission are own survey just in time for the Minnesota muskie expo and get the word out. |
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