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| http://www.startribune.com/counterpoint-there-s-something-fishy-abo...
More of the same uneducated BS from some old rich guy!! |
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| It will never end |
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| "Muskies in one third of Minnesota waters" whaaaaaaaaaa???? |
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Location: Alex or Alek? | mnmusky - 1/22/2016 12:31 PM
"Muskies in one third of Minnesota waters" whaaaaaaaaaa????
1/3 of surface area.
So since there are muskies in the 6 out of the top 10 (4 out of the top 5) largest lakes in mn (not including LOTW) they think thats enough. |
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Location: MN | If you read the comment section of the article you will realize what dolts we are up against. |
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| I agree, the comments section is the most shocking part on the page. The general populations' fear of muskies and there perceived destructive nature never ceases to amaze me.
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Location: MN | The best comment was Muskie anglers don't spend money. Lures last forever and they are so in shape from casting they don't stop to drink or eat snacks!!!! Hell they should go to an expo and look at folks, plenty of drinks and snacks are being eaten. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Stupid is as stupid does, and that one is....stupid. The Star tribune should be ducking right now. The OFM social media button is about to be...
pushed.
https://www.facebook.com/OutdoorsFIRST/
Check it out....I tried to make the point without indicating exactly how incredible stupid this rant actually was. I''m a bit testy today, so hopefully I didn't get too far over the top.
Geez. |
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Location: US | I like the "i'm not a fisherman, but let me tell you how much i know about fishing" comments. LOL, so much stupid. The sad part is these people can vote. |
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| Frankly, I have no idea how thick your skin has to be to work for the MN DNR. Bless these folks. |
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Location: MN | I think we're missing two big points, one lake shore owners have more rights to the public water then visitors who don't own property. And muskies guys don't add to the economy due to the lack of snacks purchased as pointed out by a commenter. |
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Location: Elk River, MN | Also don't forget, they don't add anything to the economy, but they play a huge role in the transportation of AIS somehow. |
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| I guess the guy that didn't take time out to have a snack never bought any gear after his initial investment doesn't know there are anglers from other states that come to Mn to fish just for Muskie and they spent money at every stop
Edited by Pepper 1/22/2016 3:19 PM
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| Attached is a study done by UW Stevens Point on musky diets in Northern Wisconsin.
Edited by wisskie 1/22/2016 3:33 PM
Attachments
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 Diet_study.pdf (128KB - 396 downloads)
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Location: Twin Cities | Unfortunately typical that the Strib would print an opinion piece that is full of wrong information. They ought to be embarrassed. |
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| Just tell them muskies eat all the fish that eat the eggs from whatever fish they like to eat. |
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| EA
That argument works on some lakes but That won't convince them on the lakes that rely on walleye stocking,,there's none to little reproduction.
Edited by happy hooker 1/22/2016 4:46 PM
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Location: deephaven mn | careful when speaking to the media is a lesson here as well
do not be labeled as insulting an misdirecting if you are representing a group that may not be either of those.
this is the case of the lake association people as well, as the ones speaking out
may not have the same thoughts and beliefs as other members
so begins the generalizing
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| KAP
I say,,,"Run em over"!!!!!-(topical humor) |
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| 1 more thing the guy that said Muskie anglers don't buy live bait. Aren't suckers live bait at & $8 or $9 bucks each? |
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Location: varies | what a circus. I haven't held a star tribune newspaper in years. Is this what they've become since no one buys papers anymore? A tabloid-like garbage rag.... sad. |
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| I'm not usually one to write to the paper, but when I read that article in my morning paper, I had to say something. What a bunch of fear mongering nonsense. Since it surely won't see print, here is what I wrote.
Jim Moe (Something fishy about DNR's muskie plan) must really hate the DNR. I can't think of any other reason to write a piece filled with such snarky, misleading. flowery language. He doesn't seem to realize that the DNR has a task that is virtually impossible to fulfill. They have to find a way to satisfy competing interests, while also trying to prevent the absolute destruction of our resources. The way people bad mouth them, I'm surprised anybody would take on the challenge. I've met several people in the DNR, and they are smart, hard working people, trying to do the very best that they can.
Mr. Moe posed questions about where the ducks and pheasants have gone, and uses quotation marks to indicate that the DNR doesn't know. I am pretty sure that nobody at the DNR said "We don't know," when asked where the ducks and pheasants have gone. The DNR, and anybody with even a marginal understanding, knows that the almost complete elimination of cover in the pheasant range, and the draining of the prairie pot hole region, is why we don't have pheasants and ducks like we used to. If you took away all the houses and apartments in the Twin Cities, there wouldn't be many people around here either.
To claim that it is some big mystery, what will happen if we stock muskie (or walleye, or any other fish) into a particular body of water, is disingenuous. Stocking of several species, including muskie, into new waters, has been going on for decades, and there is tons of data. Several states and provinces employ fisheries specialists who conduct studies and collect data, and it is all available for people to study.
Numbers of people hunting and fishing has been declining in almost all segments of those sports. Muskie fishing, however, has actually been on a steep increase. People from New York to New Mexico are muskie fishing in their own states, but have limited opportunity, and dream of taking vacations to Minnesota, to experience our muskie fishery, and many of them make the trek. When the DNR sees an increase in interest in our resources, whether it be fishing, biking, hiking, or whatever, their job is to make sure we have the trails to bike on, the wild country to hike in, and the fish to catch.
And if Mr. Moe is concerned about people "racing in high powered boats, from one place to another", he should look at jet skies, water ski boats, and wake boats, not fishing boats.
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Location: Elk River, MN | Well said! |
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Location: deephaven mn | Yes Bash the DNR (especially without facts)
I would think that will sway them to listen and to act in a supporting manner to your concerns
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| This happens everywhere. Even in SD on the very few Muskie lakes we have. People are complaining that they never catch walleye anymore and that the Muskie are to blame. They seem to magically ignore the fact that anglers have brought non-native weeds to the lake and they completely choke the lake now. Pretty tough to catch any fish at all when they have endless places to hide in weeds that cover 75% of the lake. |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | I just read some of the comments to the star trib opinion piece. Pretty sad.
I really liked the comment from the guy who complained that the panfishing was poor at his cabin in NW Wisconsin because the musky are eating all the panfish. Yes, that's it. The musky are eating their limit of 25 crappies daily, and then doing it day after day until their freezers are overflowing. That's right, it's the muskies.
J@ck@$$. |
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Location: deephaven mn | happy hooker - 1/22/2016 4:55 PM
KAP
I say,,,"Run em over"!!!!!-(topical humor)
Hooker
Run em Over worked well in the Lombardi days
but in today's game to many flags are thrown
as someone might get hurt
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Location: oswego, il | Read alot of the comments. Good to see there are just as many comments going against the anti crowd. Very short sided article. |
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| AHHH the media and their editorials. Kind of reminds me of what's happening to police officers these days. Kdawg |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | kdawg - 1/23/2016 12:09 PM
AHHH the media and their editorials. Kind of reminds me of what's happening to police officers these days. Kdawg
What's happening to police officers these days aside from having their actions caught on film ? Surely a few bad cops don't make all cops bad. Are you saying that a few bad editorials don't make all editorials bad or that the "if it bleeds, it leads" media doesn't represent all media ?
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| dfkiii - 1/23/2016 1:04 PM
kdawg - 1/23/2016 12:09 PM
AHHH the media and their editorials. Kind of reminds me of what's happening to police officers these days. Kdawg
What's happening to police officers these days aside from having their actions caught on film ? Surely a few bad cops don't make all cops bad. Are you saying that a few bad editorials don't make all editorials bad or that the "if it bleeds, it leads" media doesn't represent all media ?
DFKiii, Can u remember an editorial that said something positive about the police? It would certainly be nice to read every now and then. |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | kdawg - 1/23/2016 7:24 PM
dfkiii - 1/23/2016 1:04 PM
kdawg - 1/23/2016 12:09 PM
AHHH the media and their editorials. Kind of reminds me of what's happening to police officers these days. Kdawg
What's happening to police officers these days aside from having their actions caught on film ? Surely a few bad cops don't make all cops bad. Are you saying that a few bad editorials don't make all editorials bad or that the "if it bleeds, it leads" media doesn't represent all media ?
DFKiii, Can u remember an editorial that said something positive about the police? It would certainly be nice to read every now and then.
Not necessarily an editorial but I've seen a few evening news pieces that were very positive. Still, I get your point. The press could work those stories a bit harder. |
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| You know, there's a story about a company of a company in a town that didn't realize it's impact to the economy. So the owner starting paying everyone's bonuses in $2 bills. Pretty soon those $2 bills started showing up everywhere and people realized how much of an impact the company had on the little town.
Maybe we need to do something similar. Maybe it's a stamp or something that we put on our cash, but shows that muskies really help create jobs and improve the community. |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | A customer of mine gave me this article to read. As he handed it to me he said " look at what this ding ding said about muskies" " I guess Ron White was correct after all - You really can't fix STUPID"!!!! |
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| I am curious if the folks who worry so much about muskies eating "their" walleyes are concerned about the impact other predators have on fish stock, in particular loons. Loons are terrific eaters. The WI DNR tech who did creel counts about 8 years ago on the chain where I live told me how on a research lake in WI, the DNR had stocked a fair number of 8 to 10" walleyes, each with a small tag. A few months later, a loon was found dead on the lake, probably struck by a boat. When they did the necropsy, almost a dozen of the tags from the stocked walleyes were found in its stomach. Apparently they did not break down, were difficult to excrete and therefore stayed in the bird. He said the biologists were somewhat surprised the loon ate fish that large.
And then there are the river otters. I stood on my dock one day and watched a family of five go to town on a school of bluegills. I was close enough to see the blood on their whiskers and the crunch of bones. They seldom surfaced without a fish and they dove over and over again for almost 15 minutes. Warm blooded mammals who live in water need a lot of fuel. |
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Location: The desert | North of 8 - 1/25/2016 6:08 PM
I am curious if the folks who worry so much about muskies eating "their" walleyes are concerned about the impact other predators have on fish stock, in particular loons. Loons are terrific eaters. The WI DNR tech who did creel counts about 8 years ago on the chain where I live told me how on a research lake in WI, the DNR had stocked a fair number of 8 to 10" walleyes, each with a small tag. A few months later, a loon was found dead on the lake, probably struck by a boat. When they did the necropsy, almost a dozen of the tags from the stocked walleyes were found in its stomach. Apparently they did not break down, were difficult to excrete and therefore stayed in the bird. He said the biologists were somewhat surprised the loon ate fish that large.
And then there are the river otters. I stood on my dock one day and watched a family of five go to town on a school of bluegills. I was close enough to see the blood on their whiskers and the crunch of bones. They seldom surfaced without a fish and they dove over and over again for almost 15 minutes. Warm blooded mammals who live in water need a lot of fuel.
The antis believe that muskies eat the loon eggs. Seriously. |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | Pointerpride102 - 1/25/2016 7:46 PM
North of 8 - 1/25/2016 6:08 PM
I am curious if the folks who worry so much about muskies eating "their" walleyes are concerned about the impact other predators have on fish stock, in particular loons. Loons are terrific eaters. The WI DNR tech who did creel counts about 8 years ago on the chain where I live told me how on a research lake in WI, the DNR had stocked a fair number of 8 to 10" walleyes, each with a small tag. A few months later, a loon was found dead on the lake, probably struck by a boat. When they did the necropsy, almost a dozen of the tags from the stocked walleyes were found in its stomach. Apparently they did not break down, were difficult to excrete and therefore stayed in the bird. He said the biologists were somewhat surprised the loon ate fish that large.
And then there are the river otters. I stood on my dock one day and watched a family of five go to town on a school of bluegills. I was close enough to see the blood on their whiskers and the crunch of bones. They seldom surfaced without a fish and they dove over and over again for almost 15 minutes. Warm blooded mammals who live in water need a lot of fuel.
The antis believe that muskies eat the loon eggs. Seriously.
Which reel is best for retrieving loon eggs ? |
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Location: Hudson, WI | The Star and Sickle has been a rag for years. I always thought it cast the weirdo 612ers in a bad light. Then I read the comments section and found it to be a more accurate than I thought. |
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Location: Metro | well said TCESOX. I just find it amazing that people have so much to say and they don't even look at facts. educate yourself and you might stop stressing yourself out. |
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