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Location: Tinley Park, IL | I am very torn as to what kind of motor to put on an X-190.
Mercury 4-stroke 150
Mercury 175 Optimax
Yamaha F 175 4-stroke
Definitely prefer the 4-stroke over the Optimax. If the Merc 4-stroke came in a 175 it would be a done deal. Currently, I am leaning towards the Yamaha 175. (they are also offering an extra 2 years of warranty on this motor)
I plan on having this boat for 20 years. Obviously, performance matters but hitting a top end speed a couple mph higher is not critical. Reliability, ease of maintenance, longevity, and then performance are what's most important to me.
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| Optimax is a non-starter for me personally - too loud and smokey. Have been a Yamaha guy for last 3 boats over 20 years and they are bullet proof. That being said, if I bought an x-190 today I would seriously consider the Mercury 4 stroke 150. Nothing but raves about that motor, and plenty fast enough for this non-tournament fisherman. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | boat is rated for 200 right? why not a yammy or suzi 200 4 stroke? I'd definitely go to max hp if you are putting a 4 stroke on it (suzi will have 6 yrs of warranty)
or the verado 200 might be another good choice
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| I also think that having max hp and using less of it is more conducive to a long lasting motor. Also frees up the brand choices |
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| When I was looking into X-190s the general theme was that it isn't a hull that handles being "under-powered" well. The lack of success with the initial tiller design kinda shows that I think.
Really difficult choosing HP for that size boat though. The Yammi 200 is the only lightweight 200 4stk with a 25" shaft available. Not exactly glowing performance reviews for that motor and it will cost you a LOT more than the merc 150. All the other 200s are big V-6s and are the 200-250 blocks. The 200 Suzi is physically WAY larger than the 175 which is a factor on a 1400lb hull.
I have to believe performance wise the 200opti is the best play. I think when I priced them out that was only 1500 more than the 175XS but it is bigger/heavier than the 2.5L 175XS. 3k+ more than the 150 4stroke.
Everybody says just max it out but when you start looking at the price/size jumps when you get to that 200HP+ class it gets to be a tough decision. Also I'm not sure that any of the Dealers are also Yammie dealers right now... They weren't when I was shopping 1-2 years ago. So if you go Yammie you might have to buy the boat/trailer only and find a different dealer to rig the motor.... |
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Location: Contrarian Island | suzuki 200 dry weight, 509 and that is an inline 4, not 6.
the 175 is 485.. 24 lbs is neglible weight difference
merc 200 opti, 497
merc 200 verado, 510
I'd go at least 175 minimum... price em all out but I'm a believer in always putting the max hp on a boat...
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| BNelson - 1/7/2016 9:57 AM
suzuki 200 dry weight, 509 and that is an inline 4, not 6.
the 175 is 485.. 24 lbs is neglible weight difference
max hp on a boat...
Suzuki came out with a 200 Inline 4? I guess I missed that. That is good to know and adds a very nice option for 200 4 strokes. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | http://www.suzukimarine.com/Product%20Lines/Outboard%20Motors/Produ... |
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Location: Tinley Park, IL | BNelson - 1/7/2016 8:40 AM
boat is rated for 200 right? why not a yammy or suzi 200 4 stroke? I'd definitely go to max hp if you are putting a 4 stroke on it (suzi will have 6 yrs of warranty)
or the verado 200 might be another good choice
Biggest reason is cost. I am not a "go-fast" guy and I am not worried about resale so I don't feel there is value in paying thousands extra to go a little faster. Mid 50s is fine for me. The cost of going from a 4-stroke 150 Merc to the 175 Verado was rather shocking. I am much more comfortable with the cost of the F175 considering the extended warranty.
Thanks for the information everyone. You have given me a lot to think about.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | don't confuse getting out of the water vs. go-fast when powering and prop-ing a boat ... just cuz you can doesn't mean you do but not having the power to get out simply sucks. |
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| Propping an X-190 for Mid 50s with the Merc 4-stroke would likely leave you with a poor holeshot under a heavy load. You need a 21" prop to get to 56 MPH at 5800 RPM and a very generous 7% slip. That's using the merc calculator and the 1.92 gear ratio for the 150 Merc. That's a pretty big wheel on a heavily loaded DeepV with a 150.
I wouldn't ignore Brad's comments as I am quite sure he runs a glass DeepV with the power being discussed.
If Mid 40s are acceptable you could run a 17 and get out of the hole with any load I bet.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i have a deep v glass boat with a 175 2-stroke and spin a 4-blade 21p and although it will run 53.5mph, it cruises at 40 and stays out of the water at mid-high 20's (also important and only done by pushing water volume). all facets of "performance" ... even the low end would be effected. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | I'll go against the grain. A lot of boats will perform just fine without max HP. If you prop it properly you will be able to get a decent hole shot and what sounds like an acceptable top end. If you know this up front and it makes $$ sense, go for it. |
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Location: Tinley Park, IL | NickD - 1/7/2016 1:38 PM
Propping an X-190 for Mid 50s with the Merc 4-stroke would likely leave you with a poor holeshot under a heavy load. You need a 21" prop to get to 56 MPH at 5800 RPM and a very generous 7% slip. That's using the merc calculator and the 1.92 gear ratio for the 150 Merc. That's a pretty big wheel on a heavily loaded DeepV with a 150.
Thanks for the explanation. |
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Location: Tinley Park, IL | kjgmh - 1/7/2016 2:08 PM
I'll go against the grain. A lot of boats will perform just fine without max HP. If you prop it properly you will be able to get a decent hole shot and what sounds like an acceptable top end. If you know this up front and it makes $$ sense, go for it.
I'm not sure. I have heard several places that this boats will do mid 50s with a 150. This thread has definitely given me more to think about.
I just don't understand all the variables and how they affect performance. You have 18' tin deep Vs that weigh a couple hundred lbs more than the X-190 and they have a max HP rating of 150. There's even the Skeeter WX-1850 that weighs 1900 lbs (600 more than the X-190) and it has a max HP rating of 150. How do these boats perform with a 150 when they have a comparable hull and an even heavier weight? The X-190 is longer and narrower- is that the difference why these other boats can get away with having a smaller HP and still have acceptable performance? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | NickD - 1/7/2016 1:38 PM
Propping an X-190 for Mid 50s with the Merc 4-stroke would likely leave you with a poor holeshot under a heavy load. You need a 21" prop to get to 56 MPH at 5800 RPM and a very generous 7% slip. That's using the merc calculator and the 1.92 gear ratio for the 150 Merc. That's a pretty big wheel on a heavily loaded DeepV with a 150.
I wouldn't ignore Brad's comments as I am quite sure he runs a glass DeepV with the power being discussed.
If Mid 40s are acceptable you could run a 17 and get out of the hole with any load I bet.
No. The Merc 4 stroke 150 is actually the perfect motor for that ride IF the owner is happy with a max speed of 52 or so full load. The hole shot is not only acceptable, it's great at that top end and proper tach reading. Overall performance with that engine is really really good.
The boat was designed to carry a full load with a 150, and it'll power with a 115 nicely. The 90 is not enough. 54 MPH with the 150, and you are looking for a boat that cruises at the 'sweet spot' in the low 40's. The X190 is not a big deep v, it's a hybrid high performance hull. Originally, it maxed out at 175, and Tuffy made the changes retooling it to meet requirements at 200, and the hull design is radically different than the 690 Ranger.
If top end is important, and you want performance and actually cleaner burning than the 4 strokes, go with a 175 Opti. GREAT motor, certainly not 'smoky' ( that's just not true at all). I owned an X190 with the 150, and one with a 175 Opti. I liked them both, but really liked the 175 best because I DO want to go faster. Hole shot was identical.
This is not a deep v walleye boat, gents, it's closer to a bass hull in lift and design, but it's a bass hull that will run the big stuff well with a multi-species interior. If we were talking 1890? Different ball game. |
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| Was wondering when Steve was going to show up.
Just throwing another engine out there - Honda. Don't know if you have looked at them. They make a good engine too.
Congrats on the X190! |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i'll vouch for the 175 opti ... it's an incredible motor!! |
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Location: Tinley Park, IL | After hearing all my pros and cons, my wife wants me to get the 200. I think she wants me stop talking about it. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Paul S - 1/9/2016 8:42 AM
After hearing all my pros and cons, my wife wants me to get the 200. I think she wants me stop talking about it.
i'm sure the list is already long for what she does for you, but this will stand on the top of the list for as long as you own the boat!! smart lady ... |
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Location: Contrarian Island | good call... when you are on the water and a thunderstorm is bearing down on you, you'll be happy you have the 2 hundo!
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Location: The desert | Paul S - 1/9/2016 8:42 AM
After hearing all my pros and cons, my wife wants me to get the 200. I think she wants me stop talking about it.
Better go buy it before she changes her mind. |
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Location: Tinley Park, IL | Steve- are you talking about the 175 Pro XS or the standard Opti? Thanks
And Pointer, my wife won't be changing her mind. She has been telling me for several years to get a new boat but I have been holding off till the rest of my finances were in order.
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Location: SE WISCONSIN | I have a Mercury 150 4 stroke and love it. But if you want a 200 I would go with the l6 200 verado pro that motor is a beast. |
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Location: Grand Rapids MN | My new ride (Lund Impact 1850 XS) has the new Merc 150 and it has great performance. But if I was going to max out a boat like the one you're looking at I would probably consider the Suzuki. Just my vote. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Paul S - 1/9/2016 6:07 PM
Steve- are you talking about the 175 Pro XS or the standard Opti? Thanks
And Pointer, my wife won't be changing her mind. She has been telling me for several years to get a new boat but I have been holding off till the rest of my finances were in order.
Pro XS is an animal. Great motor.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | sworrall - 1/9/2016 11:10 PM
Paul S - 1/9/2016 6:07 PM
Steve- are you talking about the 175 Pro XS or the standard Opti? Thanks
And Pointer, my wife won't be changing her mind. She has been telling me for several years to get a new boat but I have been holding off till the rest of my finances were in order.
Pro XS is an animal. Great motor.
yes it is ... is the 175 built on the same block as the 200? that was my understanding and i guess it makes sense on the weight to allow the 190 to carry a 200?? |
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| The 150 and 175 ProXS are built on the same 2.5L block. The 200 ProXS is built on the 3.0L block but per mercury website is only available in a 20" shaft. You can get the 225 and 250 in a 25" and they are all on the same block so that seems a bit odd I always thought.
The 200 Opti is built on the 3.0L block and is available in a 25" shaft. My understanding of the difference in the ProXS and standard opti is you get carbon fiber reeds and a higher RPM limiter with the ProXS. |
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