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Location: Vilas County, WI | I must be missing something here... but on the Musky related fishing shows how come they never say what lake they are fishing on?
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Location: MN | They do some of the time like when they are on big water. Smaller lakes not so much. |
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| Silly angler. Don't you know musky fishing is a secret? If they say what lake they are fishing on, hundreds if not thousands of anglers will run right out to that lake chasing the toothy critters.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Because people complain like crazy. About everything. All the time.
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| TheShow - 1/6/2016 9:49 PM
I must be missing something here... but on the Musky related fishing shows how come they never say what lake they are fishing on?
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Watch Keyes. He often reveals exactly where he's at. |
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| And, Boots, he often doesn't!!! Like the first show of this season. |
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Location: S.W. WI | When they say where they are fishing- they get ripped by everyone for doing so. When they don't- they get asked "why don't they......".
Its a no win.
Usually It's not too hard to figure out where they are.
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Location: Oregon, WI | He usually gives enough clues to figure it out, especially when it's pretty much the only musky lake in the area, as in the first show. The shoreline structure and the "narrows" is a dead giveaway. What was interesting was the lack of the insane boat traffic that is usually present on weekends. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Its one thing saying your on lake St. Clair, naming a 1000 acre puddle is another mater IMHO |
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Location: oswego, il | It could be a 50 acre puddle or lake st Claire your always fishing someone's secret spot.
Like Worrall said, there isn't anything that musky fisherman can't good guy about. |
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Location: Detroit River | horsehunter - 1/7/2016 8:04 AMIts one thing saying your on lake St. Clair, naming a 1000 acre puddle is another mater IMHO The problem with the shows fishing on LSC is that they show so much of the background that it's a dead giveaway. The sand piles by Peche use to only have 1 or 2 musky guys fishing there in the fall & now you have 35 or more musky boats fishing there. One of my fall honey holes on LSC I used to have all to myself on a Saturday & because of a couple of shows plus these other jack holes with their musky channel on YouTube showing the area I have to put up with 20 other boats near me. |
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Location: Scandia MN | A big part of the fun for me is figuring out where they are - which is probably a sign that I don't have enough to do . I have found a couple of productive places sleuthing about this way but overall there really aren't many secret spots left in muskie world - - - - |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | I solved this problem last year... First, I made a list of all the "HOT" muskie guides. Than(or is it then?) after I had the Best guides, And BNelson.. on my list, I just planted GPS tracking devices on their boats..
Problem solved. except that it cost me about $20,000.
Ben Olson was a challenge .. His compound is more secure than the White House, and his guard dogs still enjoys the taste of my Butt.... Bwaaahaha..... |
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Location: Madison, WI | I talked to one of the big name guys at a show one year and he told me he stopped mentioning lake names because he had his tires cut, windows broke, and even death threats for saying lake names on TV! |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | danmuskyman - 1/7/2016 12:14 PM
I talked to one of the big name guys at a show one year and he told me he stopped mentioning lake names because he had his tires cut, windows broke, and even death threats for saying lake names on TV!
that used to be a really, really good lake. |
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Location: Richland Center, WI. | V18 - 1/7/2016 6:33 AM
He usually gives enough clues to figure it out, especially when it's pretty much the only musky lake in the area, as in the first show. The shoreline structure and the "narrows" is a dead giveaway. What was interesting was the lack of the insane boat traffic that is usually present on weekends.
Was pretty easy to figure out. Now we need ice! |
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| Can't say I blame them. If you have a place where you can consistently catch enough fish to film a show, why tell everyone where it is? You know people will see the show and go fish there. It's one thing if it's LOTW or Green Bay or somewhere. Quite another when it's a small lake somewhere that doesn't get much pressure.
Sure, it's easy to figure out for the guys who already fish there and know it well enough to pick out spots and landmarks. Those folks are already there. But for the rest? Why take the chance that the next time you go there to film you'll be waiting in line for a spot and filming a bunch of other boats in the background? |
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| To be honest, why do you need to know the lake? I like the challenge of finding my own unadvertised spots using the techniques these shows (at least some of them) are trying to teach you. Adds to the fun and reward of a catch. |
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| I get very amused by the folks that put a ton of stock into seeing video of seasoned guide(s) putting themselves or hosts on fish. You can pretend it'll be that easy if you go there, but it never is. |
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| Yeah, Jim Saric could give me a chip with the gps coordinates of every fish he catches during the filming of his show and I still could find a way not to catch anything  |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | I think the shows should do what the vast majority of approval seeking musky fishermen do when they post photos of their big catches - just say that you're fishing on the ever popular Lake X ! |
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Location: Vilas County, WI | North of 8 - 1/7/2016 6:26 PM
Yeah, Jim Saric could give me a chip with the gps coordinates of every fish he catches during the filming of his show and I still could find a way not to catch anything ;)
Yeeeeep. That would be me too
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Location: oswego, il | jonnysled - 1/7/2016 12:27 PM
danmuskyman - 1/7/2016 12:14 PM
I talked to one of the big name guys at a show one year and he told me he stopped mentioning lake names because he had his tires cut, windows broke, and even death threats for saying lake names on TV!
that used to be a really, really good lake.
Sled you tiger! Just saying what Dan posted here it isn't too hard to figure out what person, what lake.
Most of the time there are enough clues in the program to figure it out. You just have to understand what they are, everything to look for and put them together. Landmarks are just one very small part. |
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Location: St Paul, Minnesota | V18 - 1/7/2016 6:33 AM
He usually gives enough clues to figure it out, especially when it's pretty much the only musky lake in the area, as in the first show. The shoreline structure and the "narrows" is a dead giveaway. What was interesting was the lack of the insane boat traffic that is usually present on weekends.
I think the lack of traffic might have been part early season and part video editing. You could hear some people cheering him when he pulled the first fish out of the bag.
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| jonnysled - 1/7/2016 12:27 PM
danmuskyman - 1/7/2016 12:14 PM
I talked to one of the big name guys at a show one year and he told me he stopped mentioning lake names because he had his tires cut, windows broke, and even death threats for saying lake names on TV!
that used to be a really, really good lake. |
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| The look and character of the fish can also be a giveaway :P |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Who gives a rat's nice try. I don't, the best part of the show's is techniques.....like I'm going to drive up to Eagle and camp on Steve H's spot or Presque Isle & camp on one of Howie's or follow Spencer around like a salivating dog on LSC, NOT! If you're that bad off, you need to take up golf..then you know where the hole is! Right SLED™?
Is the winternet here yet? LOL!
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| Lucky Craft Man - 1/7/2016 5:03 PM
To be honest, why do you need to know the lake? I like the challenge of finding my own unadvertised spots using the techniques these shows (at least some of them) are trying to teach you. Adds to the fun and reward of a catch.
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If you're having that hard of a time catching fish on your local waters, hire a guide. Should honestly be the first thing any aspiring (or veteran) angler does when they want to learn a new lake. |
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Location: Blaine, MN | So a buddy and myself spent 2 hours and a half case of beer discussing where Keyes was in show 1.... Neither of us could figure it out, but that piece of water looked absolutely beautiful. We don't fish WI outside of Polk county, anyone want to PM me the name of the lake to fill in our blanks, and so I can dream all winter about buying a cabin on it? Only thing we have are guesses. If not, no worries, still fun to discuss. Thanks |
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| Im pretty sure its redstone lake near lavalle wi. After watching the episode i was wondering the same thing so i went on navionics and started searching for lakes in southwest wi. Just type in the lake names in google and look at the images. Only took me about 15 minutes to get it narrowed down. Looks like a nice body of water but im guessing it will be a little crowded this years opener.
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Location: Contrarian Island | it is... pretty lake, gets a TON of boating pressure on weekends...not a lake most will go out of there way to fish that often.... |
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| what it all boils down to boys is time on the water u can know what lakes they are fishing but it does not matter if u dont fish as much as they do. those guys either really do their home work or they have a really good network of people who they trust to let them know when a hot bite is going or if there is a lake that has muskies but not a lot of pressure aka lynn lake south dakota. |
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Location: Richland Center, WI. | BNelson - 1/10/2016 12:51 PM
it is... pretty lake, gets a TON of boating pressure on weekends...not a lake most will go out of there way to fish that often....
Yep. Skip it on the weekends during nice weather in the summer.
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Location: Oregon, WI | Probably opening a new can of worms, but any guesses to which "small" river they (KO) were on in the 2nd show? I have an idea and no I've never been on it or do I own a boat that I could even take on it. |
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Location: North St. Paul, MN | Yep, have an idea. Nope, not going to say where.
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| Mosquito, It's a combination of both plus pure luck! It's funny how some people say they don't want to draw attention to "their" water and some can't wait to tell, even beg, Mike to come to their secret spot! TV has a funny effect on people! I've witnessed countless people out of nowhere telling him about secret water!
Roller, It is a very small river that gets NO pressure! We've been obsessed with this river stuff because there's SOOO much of it! MN, WI, IA and IL are covered with river muskies! #*^@ near every river in the area has some muskie population!!
Point is: Mike has the wanderlust to explore this stuff and the info is purely public and doesn't come from any network! It's super easy to find and explore! No need to travel far or snipe info from TV! Chances are there is a river in your backyard with muskies!! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | A very good chance, actually. I can see one from my front window, never have fished it. Go figure. |
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| sworall, it's one of those funny sociological things! Can't catch fish in front of your own cabin! |
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Location: Hudson, WI | I fish a lake in Canada every spring for walleye and pike, and some of the absolute best spots on this 68,000 acre lake are within a mile of our resort. We routinely drive 30 minutes to the other end of the lake to fish new water that looks good on the map...passing boats from that end of the lake who are coming up to fish stuff that looks good by us. It has to be some sort of psychological disorder. |
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| Moltisanti - 1/13/2016 10:02 AM
I fish a lake in Canada every spring for walleye and pike, and some of the absolute best spots on this 68,000 acre lake are within a mile of our resort. We routinely drive 30 minutes to the other end of the lake to fish new water that looks good on the map...passing boats from that end of the lake who are coming up to fish stuff that looks good by us. It has to be some sort of psychological disorder.
Everybody knows the best fishing is 20 miles away in front of some other camp, even though those guys all go 20 miles to fish where you just left from. |
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| Nope, not Lake Redstone. No Muskies there anyway.... or Crappies... or Bass
Just sayin"...
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Location: MN | Great point the few times my dad and I went to Canada he always looked at the map to check the water within a mile of camp we often found the best fishing within site of the camp. No pressure as everyone goes right by. |
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| theedz155 - 1/18/2016 8:14 AM
Nope, not Lake Redstone. No Muskies there anyway.... or Crappies... or Bass
Just sayin"...
LOL. The DNR has stocked 8,322 Muskies since 2000. |
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| LOL, comment about not being able to catch muskies in front of your own place. We have owned the property since 2003 and the very first day we owned it, saw a nice musky caught right off our dock during the Hodag tournament. Have since seen a number of other muskies caught within a hundred feet of our dock, including two others during tournaments. I however have caught exactly none. I always test new lures while standing on my dock and have had a couple follows but no fish. Have caught a couple of northerns in the 30" range and a four or five pound bass while checking out new lures but no muskies. One day after a long day on the water, I even rowed out with a sucker I had used all day and put it out on the weed edge under a bobber after dark and watched it for a couple hours from my dock. No luck.
On the other hand, my nephew and his buddy were up to help put the roof on a storage garage a couple years ago and after supper decided to get in some fishing. They weren't fifty feet from the dock when his buddy caught the first musky he ever boated on a top water. We were all sitting outside so he had a cheering section as he landed it. Another time the same nephew and his brother were fishing our shore line and after seeing them I walked down to say hello. As I talked to the one in the bow, the nephew in the back hooked and landed a musky, again less than fifty feet from my dock. I have not given up and always make a few casts near my dock when coming back from fishing and figure sooner or later it will happen. Just afraid "later" is the operative word. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | yah kinda funny...when they are promoting a resort they say the lake name...but when it's some puddle in SW Wi they aren't getting paid to promote a resort so they don't say..not that either lakes are secrets but I bet the guys that regularly fish Namakagon weren't thrilled he did a show out there... he is concerned enough to not say the lake name in one, but then in another he does since he is getting some sort of kick back from a resort... comical.. stay tuned next week for: As the musky world turns
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Location: NorthCentral WI | I watched the show this week but don't remember him promoting any Namakagon resort during the episode. Comical... |
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Location: Ashland WI | MartinTD - 1/19/2016 9:01 AM
I watched the show this week but don't remember him promoting any Namakagon resort during the episode. Comical...
Watch it again. They certainly did. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | you must have missed the first few minutes....point is the same... why not say one lake and then tick off the guys that regularly fish Nam? and from the PM I got from a guy that does my post was spot on.
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| Just a thought..... Wouldn't promoting a lake and a resort possibly help out the local economy and in turn help out the fishery. |
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Location: S.W. WI | All these fishing shows are- is just advertisements. Lindners, Musky Hunter, Keyes, all of them. this is how it works. Paid to promote product and places. Being able to watch fishing shows comes with a cost sometimes.
It sucks when it hits close to home.
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | wisskie - 1/19/2016 9:11 AM
Just a thought..... Wouldn't promoting a lake and a resort possibly help out the local economy and in turn help out the fishery.
I suppose that depends on how you define "help". In addition to renting a few rooms and restaurant visits you might sell some extra gas and a few cases of beer but I wouldn't expect to see many musky fishermen going into the local businesses, e.g. the Candle Cottage in Cable, unless they brought their wives along.
Local fisherman probably don't think it helps them much at all. |
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| I fish Namakagon 2-4 weekend days every summer. Most times the only boats I see fishing are fishing Musky, it will be interesting to see if the pressure will increase from one episode. My guess is it will be the same as years prior.
The only TV personality I've actually had a conversation with is Mike Keyes and he seemed like a pretty good guy with the right intentions. I cant blame a guy for doing what he's doing because if I had the chance to switch careers with him I would in a heartbeat. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | dfkiii - 1/19/2016 9:51 AM
wisskie - 1/19/2016 9:11 AM
Just a thought..... Wouldn't promoting a lake and a resort possibly help out the local economy and in turn help out the fishery.
I suppose that depends on how you define "help". In addition to renting a few rooms and restaurant visits you might sell some extra gas and a few cases of beer but I wouldn't expect to see many musky fishermen going into the local businesses, e.g. the Candle Cottage in Cable, unless they brought their wives along.
Local fisherman probably don't think it helps them much at all.
These are the Musky guys who bring their Keystones into a bar supporting a swap meet, right? |
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| Yes because Namakagon is some big secret..... it's over 3k acres and listed as a trophy water by the DNR. If you google searched "Wisconsin trophy musky water" that would be one of the top lakes that comes up. Point being I don't think he's giving away any real secrets. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | and like I said above... neither lake in the last 2 episodes is any secret but he went out of his way to not say the lake name in the 1st one on Redstone, like it was some secret lake, then said the lake name on Nam... guess I just find it funny.... one, no resort to promote..so keeps it out of the show, 2nd one, promotes Lakewoods resorts so says lake name... that's all |
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| Well I guess if a resort wants to pay for advertising (in this case I'm guessing they "paid" with free lodging), then obviously they would get promoted in the show. I don't understand all the fuss.... so many people complain about a lack of tourists or fishermen hurting businesses -- I think it would be great and the area and people around there should be happy for the publicity. You can't have it both ways --- businesses open that rely on tourists but yet keep every lake, lodge, bar, restaurant, etc a secret ----- secret businesses have way of not being around long. |
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| sworrall - 1/6/2016 10:08 PM
Because people complain like crazy. About everything. All the time.
Hmmm.
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| So was the bar he fished with the buoys one of HIS spots? |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | jonnysled - 1/19/2016 11:20 AM
dfkiii - 1/19/2016 9:51 AM
wisskie - 1/19/2016 9:11 AM
Just a thought..... Wouldn't promoting a lake and a resort possibly help out the local economy and in turn help out the fishery.
I suppose that depends on how you define "help". In addition to renting a few rooms and restaurant visits you might sell some extra gas and a few cases of beer but I wouldn't expect to see many musky fishermen going into the local businesses, e.g. the Candle Cottage in Cable, unless they brought their wives along.
Local fisherman probably don't think it helps them much at all.
These are the Musky guys who bring their Keystones into a bar supporting a swap meet, right?
These guys are more brandy old fashioned types and they don't frequent musky shows or swap meets. If you buy a round or two at the bar though, they might share some spots. |
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Location: oswego, il | dfkiii - 1/19/2016 8:26 PM
jonnysled - 1/19/2016 11:20 AM
dfkiii - 1/19/2016 9:51 AM
wisskie - 1/19/2016 9:11 AM
Just a thought..... Wouldn't promoting a lake and a resort possibly help out the local economy and in turn help out the fishery.
I suppose that depends on how you define "help". In addition to renting a few rooms and restaurant visits you might sell some extra gas and a few cases of beer but I wouldn't expect to see many musky fishermen going into the local businesses, e.g. the Candle Cottage in Cable, unless they brought their wives along.
Local fisherman probably don't think it helps them much at all.
These are the Musky guys who bring their Keystones into a bar supporting a swap meet, right?
These guys are more brandy old fashioned types and they don't frequent musky shows or swap meets. If you buy a round or two at the bar though, they might share some spots. ;- )
If your really lucky they might take you there in they're wood boat. Don't try casting your pounder or double ten with that pflueger reel. Just leave the pikie minnow on. Don't wear your buff or anything embroidered.
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Location: SE Wisconsin | A guy wages a large gamble on making a career out of fishing and it surely comes with sacrifices, especially monetarily. Those boys create enough entertainment out of their production to keep everyone watching and talking, but that comes from the excitement of new adventures. We all know how much it costs to travel, what with lodging, gas, entertainment, food/drink, more lures we think we need, etc. Imagine paying for all of that, as well as television airtime and camera gear/maintenance.
So I figure, if there's a way to cut a cost, like free lodging in accordance with a new destination adventure to make a show out of, it's a no-brainer. What's a guy to do?
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Juhas - 1/19/2016 6:50 PM
So was the bar he fished with the buoys one of HIS spots?
Probably his buoy's, I use buoy's on deeper structure to keep myself oriented and on the spot, that way I can fish and control the boat without staring at my electronics.
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| Be shocked Cfollow. I guide the same water I have always guided...actually less water these days...pretty much just Tonka and Leech...might do some fly stuff with another crew. I join the Keyes boys for a little fun and adventure! I'm not sure it always comes across, but I feel like KO promotes getting out there and exploring a little. Honestly, that's all we are...a handful of passionate musky rubes with cameras. Obvious bias aside, I think Mike does about as good a job as anyone walking the line. |
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| Haters gonna hate... or as someone else said...
sworrall - 1/6/2016 10:08 PM
Because people complain like crazy. About everything. All the time.
Ben, any chance you and the KO crew will get us a musky sized Mighty Bite anytime soon? |
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| Cfollow - 1/21/2016 3:33 PM
Just saw the latest Keyes episode entitled "Southwest MN muskies". Let's just say the MN part was correct but it wasn't SW. Ben let the general location slip as he was holding a nice fish for the camera. The most satisfying part of the show for me was that I put a clinic on that new water in 2013 when I caught 25 in a week to 47". New musky lakes are like girlfriends in a way. Someone has already been there done that!
Okay, so I haven't seen this newest episode you speak of entitled Southwest MN Muskies yet. But is it possible that the staff at Keyes Outdoors reads these forums and maybe, just maybe they were fishing a west metro lake and mis-took that region for southwest minnesota. |
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Location: oswego, il | Great show. I didn't pay attention to to the title but the fish and water color gave up the general area to me. During the episode one of them says north central Minnesota. How many people pay close attention to the depth finders(viewers that is) on these shows?
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Maybe a little truth in advertizing would help......for those who can't find their nice try with either hand.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYIWXzVw8l4
Maybe its time for some of you to try exploring w/o blindly following the herd...learn something from the video besides the lake or the spot, I don't care what water, muskies are muskies. It's about technique's tactic's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6S9Dv32S3s
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfvDOP_Xj98
Have you ever caught a muskie on a squid?
Have fun!
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Location: Eastern Ontario | My secret spots aren't that secret I've taken too many people there.
it works two ways
You show me yours I'll show you mine.
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Location: Chisholm, MN | To me, any of the TV shows have never given anything away that I didn't already know about or I just plain wouldn't fish there anyway. There aren't a ton of secrets out there these days, although I have a few that I'd be pretty bummed if people figured out. I doubt a show would ever go there and blow it up. And if Keyes knows about it, then there is no reason why anyone else can't figure it out and blow it up as well. Keyes show this year has been outstanding in my eyes. The quality of video and editing has been just awesome and I can't wait to watch it every week! |
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Location: Nowheresville, MN | Cfollow - 1/21/2016 3:33 PM Just saw the latest Keyes episode entitled "Southwest MN muskies". Let's just say the MN part was correct but it wasn't SW. Ben let the general location slip as he was holding a nice fish for the camera. The most satisfying part of the show for me was that I put a clinic on that new water in 2013 when I caught 25 in a week to 47". New musky lakes are like girlfriends in a way. Someone has already been there done that! And some of us before you. Stay classy
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Location: central Wisconsin | Cfollow - 1/21/2016 3:33 PM
Just saw the latest Keyes episode entitled "Southwest MN muskies". Let's just say the MN part was correct but it wasn't SW. Ben let the general location slip as he was holding a nice fish for the camera. The most satisfying part of the show for me was that I put a clinic on that new water in 2013 when I caught 25 in a week to 47". New musky lakes are like girlfriends in a way. Someone has already been there done that!
Wow, you are awesome! |
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Location: MN | Clinic. Killin' me |
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Location: Madison, WI | me watching Keyes Outdoors sounds a lot like
"Quit Fu**ing around with the camera and get the #*^@ NET!!!" |
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