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Location: Waukesha, WI, USA | My track record says a very long time. Have had the last three 8-10 years. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | the incentives at Ford are pretty good right now (or they were last month), not sure what toyotathon does for pricing. problem is the top-line number keeps climbing. i was going to go get a new F-150 but got blasted by the number.
after selling my last diesel with 320k miles on it i started to buy used diesels with 100k on em and take em out to 300k or more depending on what happens to the body. i believe my $/mile is a bigger value especially when owning one a long time. usually 8-10 years for me too. |
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| New tundra with a cummins 5.0l diesel is rumored to be coming at end of 2016. Might be a truck worth waiting for! |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i get to see some interesting vehicles traveling internationally and the mid-sized diesel trucks have me drooling ... power, economy and longevity. our market doesn't get some pretty sweet machines!!
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| I think ford and gm are afraid to put out a 150 or 1500 series diesel because they know it would last too long. Right now they have consumers turning over trucks ever 5-7 years with gas motors and that's good for them. I also think it would pull sales from their Hd categories. They don't want to sell these vehicles when they already have consumers and businesses buying a more expensive product. |
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Location: St. Germain, WI | This is what I can tell you about the tundra from my personal experience owning one. Mine is a 2010 I bought in 2012 with 40k on it, it is the double cab 6.5' box, 5.7, 6 speed auto, and 4.30-1 gears(factory). I currently have right about 125k on it, and in that time besides oil changes the only thing I had done was a tranny flush at 90k. Fuel milage was about 18-19 on the highway 16 in town and about 13-15 pulling my 20' tuffy dual console with a 150 on it. Mine has the towing package that comes with a tranny temp gauge. It has been flawless, if I had to pick on something that bothers me it is that the tranny will shift into 6th gear in town going under 40 mph, a slap of the shifter into the manual sport mode takes care of that. I have seen the long beds around but not very often. My milage has recently dropped off a little due to the 35" tires I mounted. Prior to the tundra I drove all 3/4 and 1 ton diesels, and due to a change of jobs I didn't require such a truck, I thought I would be miserable in a gasser but I have no regrets whatsoever.
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Location: north central wisconsin | After running GMC's, and not being so thrilled with the last one(gutless wonder 2004), and not being able to get my dealer to work with me, I went with a new 2008 Tundra with the 5.7 and am still running it. It doesn't get the best fuel mileage, but the difference in power/speed/handling is like night and day between my GMC's and this. It pulls the boat with seemingly no effort. I drive my buddies 2008 F150 a lot, and it is a nice truck. I'd buy one of them over another GM. But the power and unbelievably tight turning radius(evident in parking lots, driveways, landings) would still have me choose another Tundra. I also like how much quieter this pickup is than my last few. So far no major mechanical other than a hair leak in the manifold that occurred just out of warranty and really didn't need to be fixed, but Toyota paid for the part(I paid the $500 labor). Just did the first full brake job which is likely a bit spendier than on a 1500/150 because the rotors are so huge. I have almost 100k on it, and I'm going to see just how long it will last.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Same experience as Reef Hawg with a 2007 Toyota Tundra. Been a good truck. |
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| The Ranger above looks pretty nice.... any word on if/when Ford will sell that (gas or diesel) in the US? |
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Location: SE, WI. | Tundra Dennis. have an 08, 5.7 and love it for towing. You won't know the boat is back there  106, 000 miles, 0 problems!
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Location: Oconomowc, WI | Yup, Tundra, I've also got an 08 with 5.7 and love it so far. Bought with 40k and have about 80k now, no major problems and it tows great...We've got horses so I have get wagons full of hay twice a year and those can easily be over 10,000 lbs. truck pulls 'em like a champ. Like JD said, you won't know a boat is behind it! |
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Location: Minnesota. | I've got an '03 Tundra 4x4, V8, crew cab (or what ever it was called back then) and it's been an amazing vehicle. This after an F150, a Bronco, Suburban etc.
Keep your mechanical stuff in check as per the service manual (I don't go to the dealer but a good, trustworthy shop), put air in the tires and ....you get the picture.
Not saying anything against other brands but I'm going to get another Tundra after I hit the 350M mark or so. It's been a wonderful vehicle, period!
That's all I'm sayin' cause I know "ol' Murphy" likely reads this forum........so far so good! |
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Location: Waukesha, WI, USA | Thanks for all the feedback folks. No one praising the F150 speaks volumes. I will be heading to the Toyota dealership for a test drive. Thanks again! |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | an answer to no one praising an F150 ... get an F250 or an F350! ... enormous cab fits 5 adults easy and comfortably. between the last two i'm over 500k miles and the last mile is as nice as the first mile, just a shame they rust or i'd run one forever. the one i'm driving now is almost to 200k and looks like it's at the halfway mark. still runs, drives and looks like new.
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Location: central Wisconsin | I've got a 2013 F150 with the 5.0. It has been flawless in the two years I have owned it. I find these X vs Y threads funny as typically whatever someone owns is the best. Go take each for a long drive, look up resale on both models, read the Toyota and Ford forums. Where I live Fords outnumber Toyotas by a wide margin. |
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| I looked at both this year. I ultimately got the Tundra with the 5.7 LT V8. I think they are both worthy trucks but for me the differentiating point was that the 4Runner I had owned for 7 years required no maintenance beyond regularly scheduled stuff. I also had made a point to talk to Tundra owners when I ran into them at the boat ramp or gas station etch and none that I talked to would not buy another one. The only compliant I heard was related to the newer larger body size. I tow a Ranger with it and it is a champ. I made the 1000 mile round trip to and from Cedar Lake in ONT and even up and down the goat path that is 502; she was awesome...
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i have a hard time believing trucks are worth $45-50k. got the one pictured for $10k and invested 4 into it at 100k miles, the picture is it with 200k miles and i'll take it out to 300 and do it all over again, again. 17-18mpg on the highway, about the same with a boat behind it and pulls and rides like a dream. |
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Location: Otsego, MN | Never driven Tundra, but I own a 2015 F150. First time owning a Ford, I had a GMC Sierra previously. The Ford tows my Ranger Z520 waaaaaay better than my Sierra ever did. Much more power. I have the big V-6 Turbo Eco Boost in mine.
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Location: Lake Elmo, MN | Here too on the F150. Have now had 5 of them....yep 5 !! Latest is a 2014 SuperCrew FX4 with the V6 Ecoboost. The truck performs like a champ pulling my Ranger 620. Most trucks today are built well so choosing is really a personal preference. I can tell you this....the fact that I have continued time after time to buy F150 SuperCrews, should be a ringing endorsement. I have no brand loyalty to anything unless it never lets me down. The F150 is just that truck.
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Location: Minnesota. | jonnysled - 12/9/2015 8:08 AM
i have a hard time believing trucks are worth $45-50k. got the one pictured for $10k and invested 4 into it at 100k miles, the picture is it with 200k miles and i'll take it out to 300 and do it all over again, again. 17-18mpg on the highway, about the same with a boat behind it and pulls and rides like a dream.
Jon, after owning 3 Fords that gave me grief I'm a Toy. boy now but I'll tell you what, that post you just made is impressive as all get out! That mileage plus towing a boat is unreal. I can't admit to anything like that...
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Location: Northern Illinois | People like to rip on the 6.0's, they are great engines! You can get them relatively cheap like Jon said, do the head studs, egr and oil cooler and you got a sharp, reliable truck that will run as long as you want it to with the proper maintenance. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | do your homework on the 6.0's and find someone who knows what to do with one. i suffered with the first one (an '05) early, then learned and now i feel like i have a secret. nobody wants them, ford won't take them on trade very often so they are ripe for the picking. lots of people try to sell them as if they are a normal diesel truck but make sure to let them know that you know what they have and you may be the only way they will get rid of it ... honesty falls over their faces quickly LOL.
based on the experiences i've had, i believe part of what makes them tick is doing some shut-off in the computer in areas that it creates its own problems or false indicators. when you have them running and breathing right, they are fantastic and reliable.
the box on this truck will likely start looking bad in a year or two ... hopefully two and i'll have close to $300k on it by then with 4 years of great use. i'll just go down to Texas to find another one.
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Location: Black Creek, WI | I'll speak up for Ford. I owned a 1995 F-150, 1998 F-150, 2004 F-150, and now a 2014 F-150. The only truck that had issues was the 1995 which had issues with the auto locking hubs on the 4x4.
I still own my 2004 F-150 with 5.4L Triton V8. It has 190K miles on it and has been flawless. My 16 year old son is now driving it... and my 14 year old boy will inherit it from him. We'll see how long that truck will last. My 2014 F-150 with 5.0 V8 has been great. Have 36K miles on it now. Pulled my Ranger 681 like nothing... and this fall handled my new (to me) Ranger 620 with no problems. I'm averaging 17.8 MPG with mixed HWY/City driving. Not bad for a V8.
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| Sounds like I have a similar situation to jlong. I am on my 4th F150. The last one I had was a 2004 with the 5.4 and she died on my at 217k miles. I was hoping to get to 250k with her, but I have no complaints.
I now have a 2014 5.0. I heed and hawed between the bigger Eco boost and the 5.0. I went with the 5.0 and love it. Smooth as silk and sounds great. I did get a used Ranger 620 that I will be pulling next summer, so we will see how it performs, but everything I have read, it shouldn't be an issue.
I know it pulls my 19 foot enclosed snowmobile trailer perfectly!
I do a lot of in town driving and average about 15.7 around town and up to 18-19 on the highway.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i've struggled with going back to a gas-burner and have had an F150 on my mind but always come back to what a truck "feels like" at 200k plus. just a mental block for me thinking the trucks life is on the clock and that is not the case in a 3/4 or 1-ton diesel. the body and cosmetics is the only concern i have and that is a peace of mind that is worth it at least in my brain.
my F-series trucks other than 6.0 corrections have only needed front ends every 100k, tires, brakes etc... . my old 2005 super duty is still running for the guy i sold it to who uses it as a plow truck and trailer shuttle in his business and it did take a new transmission and a new starter at 350k miles but still runs like a champ for them. i still see it on the road every day.
a tired truck no matter the brand at 200k with a front-end cost over $40k is expensive at least to me ... i like to take off and drive without thinking i have a clock ticking against me. |
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| Have a brother in law who works for TOYOTA as a Manufacturer Rep. Toyota has had serious discussions about doing away with the TUNDRA. They don't sell enough of them to make them profitable....Just a thought---Should this happen--that resale value ( if it means anything to you--might take a dump) 2017 . He has been a REP. for 5 years---His own vehicle for his Family( that his wife drives and they use on family vacations is a 2014 Ford Explorer .. I own a DODGE 1500 & a Chevy Silverado 1500-----both been Very Good vehicles----Not totally problem FREE---but nothing major.... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Keith has a new Dodge Ram, just traded in his older one, liked the old one and likes the new one. I ran 4 F150's into the dirt over the last few years, and sled is right, 200K and she's about done. All were good trucks to 200K with some reasonably spendy but expected stuff in suspension, exhaust, brakes, etc at 100K, and started to decline fast at 200K. Am at 185K with the Yota, we'll see.
Bet your brother will love you telling people not to buy a Tundra based upon a rumor, that will make the dealers really happy. Great job security move for him. |
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Location: Waukesha, WI, USA | Hard to believe that rumor when they are coming out with a diesel tundra in 17 |
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| So I'm in the car business in the real world. My opinion is the Toyota's will hang on very well if they discontinue them...supply will be gone but demand will remain.
The mid 2000's were bad years for the ford gas v8's with some cronic issues and they have suffered in resale as a result. Thus far the Eco-boost have been very well received...mileage empty is really good and about average with a large boat in tow. Front ends historicly are a weak point.
The Fords will feel truckier and IMO are the heaviest duty most truck like of the half tons out there. Less likely to rattle out 200K without issues than the Tundra but quite a bit lower priced to start. Probably the best if you are beating the crap out of it with heavy loads regularly.
Me I'm a GM guy, hold up really well in both resale and mechanicals....and we touch a lot of trucks in our world.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | many years ago i worked building harvestore silos, then re-sealing them and then re-possesing them LOL ... but, back then in the 80's and early 90's there seemed to be a distinction with what you found for farm and fleet work trucks vs. going to town trucks. from a car business perspective, is there still a distinction among brands or not so much?
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| JS here is my take in a few different catagories:
The big Diesels: The big Fords rule when big towing is the deal...Ram has fallen out of favor other than fleet stuff, GM holds the gentlemans truck nich pretty firmly...not that they won't work hard but most of them end up towing a big snowmobile trailer or similar as their "work"
Half Tons...as noted above the Ford gets the nod for Beefy...turn radius is like a bus on the new ones but a decent ride and decent creature comforts , the Ram has come on strong and has a really nice ride, interior etc...but stay away from the diesel as it is a toilet with engineering issues and they are breaking big time. Long term durability has never been the Ram strong suit but they are currently building a nice truck...if they last. GM take the fleet sales away from Ford and the GM models dominate in the retail consumer category. Resale is by the best of the big 3 and they hold up over lots of use better than the other two thus far...If your driving a truck with 150K on it the GM likely drives the best. Certainly the leader in the gentleman 1/2 ton category.
Nissan....Meh no one cares
Toyota, as noted above they make good stuff and the trucks are no exception, pricey up front and in our area more gentleman than workin man but a good product for sure. Head out west and you see more of them working than here.
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Location: Lake Elmo, MN | Just got $16,900 in dealer trade for a 2005 Ford F150 Supercrew Lariat. 100k miles.
I think that RESALE is pretty solid for a 10 year old truck.
Dealer resold the truck inside of 10 days. (I know because the guy that bought it had to call me for the keyless entry code ! Ha)
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| With low fuel prices trucks are hot right now... |
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| bturg - 12/11/2015 10:52 AM
With low fuel prices trucks are hot right now...
That boggles my mind. Cause fuel prices won't go back up sooner than later??? |
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| If I had the perfect answer on fuel prices I would trading oil futures and counting the profits instead of hanging out here!
No doubt they will go up again as soon as OPEC feels they have squeezed enough of the Frackers and higher cost producers out of business.
The irony is low oil prices are viewed as a negative as far as the stock trading community is concerned...boggles my mind.
One thing I do know is when gas hits plus 3 bucks a gallon people who don't really need a truck will be running for the exits as fast as they can...and at 4 bucks they will be screaming while they run...I'll be moaning and groaning with the rest of you because I like to fish and that means pulling a boat and I NEED my truck.
Back to the Ford VS Toyota discussion
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Location: Waukesha, WI, USA | Thanks for all of the replies folks. It's been very informative. My sights will be on the SR5 4x4 with 4.3 gear ratio and towing package. My local dealership (Wilde) tells me there are no 15's around and there haven't been for some time. There's two 16's within a 300 mile radius close to my specs but not exact. They are suggesting I build my own and get the current incentives. |
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | I love my F150
About to hit 100k on my 2010. Absolutely zero issues and it is a beast. And unless things have changed since I bought, the incentives on the F150 made it quite a bit more affordable. |
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Location: Minnesota. | Sunshine - 12/12/2015 5:42 AM
Thanks for all of the replies folks. It's been very informative. My sights will be on the SR5 4x4 with 4.3 gear ratio and towing package. My local dealership (Wilde) tells me there are no 15's around and there haven't been for some time. There's two 16's within a 300 mile radius close to my specs but not exact. They are suggesting I build my own and get the current incentives.
Dennis, you'll love that vehicle!! I think we're pretty lucky in this U.S of A. to have such super choices...(I'm British .. but I got papers!!") *G*
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| I have a 2014 Tundra that I use for towing a Ranger 621. I like the truck a lot, but the mileage isn't that great. While towing, I usually get between 10-12 depending on the speed and wind conditions. It has been as low as 8 in heavy wind. My regular mileage on the highway is about 17. |
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| I put 250K on my Last F150 5.4 with no real issues other than a tune up. Only got rid of it because the rocker panels were starting to rust out. Now I have a 13 F150 5.0 and absolutely love it. Keep in mind a lot of these guys are talking older trucks, all the new trucks are worlds better in the last few years. One thing with a new 2015+ F150 is you'll never worry about the body rusting out and they will have all the power you need. Parts will also be cheaper since there it is a million of them and they get better mileage then the Tundras. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | my first thought on the aluminum body is Oxydation Potential. the aluminum body panels being "connected" to steel makes me wonder what they use to eliminate or reduce oxidation potential cuz essentially any steel connected to aluminum with an electrolyte will build a super speedway for electrons and an anode-cathode response.
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| jonnysled - 12/14/2015 12:01 PM
my first thought on the aluminum body is Oxydation Potential. the aluminum body panels being "connected" to steel makes me wonder what they use to eliminate or reduce oxidation potential cuz essentially any steel connected to aluminum with an electrolyte will build a super speedway for electrons and an anode-cathode response.
I was curious about that - under my father-in-law's hood I think I was looking at stainless steel fasteners into aluminum parts with no barrier between. Could be wrong. |
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| I've owned two new F150's, a new GMC full size, and now a 2008 Toyota Tundra.
The Tundra is by far, the best truck, for towing, dependability, and comfort. |
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Location: Minnesota. | bucknuts - 12/21/2015 6:34 PM
I've owned two new F150's, a new GMC full size, and now a 2008 Toyota Tundra.
The Tundra is by far, the best truck, for towing, dependability, and comfort.
Mine's a 2003. I crunched the arse-end twice (in one year!) b/c I just didn't pay attention backing up.
No issues of any kind. And.....NO rust either. That's 12 yrs. now. In the last 11 vehicles I've owned none can beat that. |
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Location: Lake Elmo, MN | I admit I was concerned about the aluminum issues when I bought my new 2014 Supercrew FX4 last New Year's Eve. I could have had either (2014 or 2015) at that time but chose good ol' steel. The difference in weight did not sell me because the truck pulled what I needed to pull (a Ranger 620) just perfectly. Admittedly I'd love some substantial improvement in gas mileage but I'll take the 2 mpg improvement the new truck seems to provide over my old 5.4 V8. I'll certainly take the terrific performance improvement....it's very noticeable !!! The aluminum may prove a great and compatible material for the truck bodies....I just did not want to be on the front end of that "experiment".
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