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| now that everyone has time on the real is it really worth the price tag??? |
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| what really sets it apart from other reels. like a lexa or curado komodo or the new leha hd or even a toro s??? since u can darn near get 2 for the price of 1 |
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| dsqui - 10/16/2015 5:00 AM
what really sets it apart from other reels. like a lexa or urado komodo or the new leha hd or even a toro s??? since u can darn near get 2 for the price of 1
Read the complete preview of the reel here:
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/articles/08.18.2015/8905/Photo.Abu....
and here:
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=10...
In the second post there is a list down a ways that details the 10 or so differences between the Toro-S (like a Lexa) and the Toro Beast.
For ~$100 more you get all 3 handles, numerous other features and bearings to make it worth the extra coin.
The Toro-S is still going to be a nicer reel than a Lexa, imo, and worthy as a simpler workhorse. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | I wish cabela's would start carrying the S already. |
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| dami0101 - 10/16/2015 2:17 PM
I wish cabela's would start carrying the S already.
Some very nice deals on them from eBay |
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| Beast is an a awesome reel and is a much smoother reel with 8 bearings, better drag system, titanium coated worm gear 3 handles etc over the Toro S . With that said the S is an improvement over the NACL, and LEXA in performance, shape, size and weight The Tranx is a fine reel but is just way to big and heavy for me to fish comfortably for hours on end. The Curado is a great small bait reel but lacks the power of the Toros, Lexas or Tranx. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I actually ended up gravitating to the S, it just 'feels' better to me. The Beast is exactly that and an engineering winner all the way, but doesn't seem to have the same center of gravity strapped to a Veritas in my left paw; it's hard to explain.
All my NACL's will be on the BST so I can get a couple more S models. |
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| At the moment I've been using the HS 60 the most. Great for burning blades over shallow weeds and picking up slack line fishing rubber on deeper breaks |
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| The S does that great too but you can tell the beast is smoother |
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| So far no. My beast 60 hs out of the box with 80# has poor casting range and more back lashes in 2 hours than I have had this year with my 3 NACL's |
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Location: MN | I finally got an opportunity to use the beast HS60 this weekend. For the poster above, you need to make some adjustments on either the magnetic brakes or the cast control (mine is set fairly low on both) because this thing casts like a dream.
I will say this though, if you are looking to throw mostly, or a lot of dbl tens with this reel, then skip the two center balanced handles and go right to the extended power handle in the longest slot. Because you will feel the resistance, and it is still work unless you really slow roll. But it should be, as you are moving the bait right along at 34 IPT. I will check out the 4.9 beast or the S for regular duty on tens, and I lean toward the S cause who needs another 27 IPT reel.
Where the HS60 shines is burning smaller blades, picking up slack pulling rubber, and jerk baits that benefit from faster line retrieve. I really like this reel overall. They narrowed the thumb bar which should help, and they made the line guide pawl much more easily accessible. And they rounded off the point on the bottom end of the frame so it doesn't dig into your palm like their previous low profile reels. All in all this is a good reel in my opinion. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Fishysam - 10/18/2015 8:15 AM
So far no. My beast 60 hs out of the box with 80# has poor casting range and more back lashes in 2 hours than I have had this year with my 3 NACL's
Adjust the reel. That reel casts better than any I have owned. |
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| Fishysam - 10/18/2015 6:15 AM
So far no. My beast 60 hs out of the box with 80# has poor casting range and more back lashes in 2 hours than I have had this year with my 3 NACL's
I found the Beast to be an incredibly fast reel that needed a lot of braking to slow it down. This is partly because I use it to throw poppers and have to use a combo of relatively light lures with heavy rods so I have to really whip them out there. The super fast acceleration can be tricky to manage.
But, point being that if you add the right amount of cast control then it casts beautifully and farther than previous reels. You may have to add some tension from the right side too. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | Ronix - 10/16/2015 4:29 PM
dami0101 - 10/16/2015 2:17 PM
I wish cabela's would start carrying the S already.
Some very nice deals on them from eBay
Yeah but I can't use Cabela's points and gift cards on eBay. |
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| thanks propster and johnd that is exactly what i was lookin for
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| I have adjusted every brake in any balanced configuration inside and magnetic brake from max to off. I can cast 3/4 distance with no effort but if I try 85% power or more it can't handle it, it makes a noise like a high speed chatter. I have never heard a reel sound like that that was t exploded inside. On half effort at 3/4 NACL range it's super smooth.
On the plus side I have some criticisms that can't be operator error. It is a taller spool so the frame is higher off the rod, negative for me and how I hold it.
A plus for the feel is it being narrower it doesn't rock in your hands when you have a lot of resistance. And it is super smooth and powerful. |
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| Fishysam - 10/18/2015 2:57 PM
I have adjusted every brake in any balanced configuration inside and magnetic brake from max to off. I can cast 3/4 distance with no effort but if I try 85% power or more it can't handle it, it makes a noise like a high speed chatter. I have never heard a reel sound like that that was t exploded inside. On half effort at 3/4 NACL range it's super smooth.
On the plus side I have some criticisms that can't be operator error. It is a taller spool so the frame is higher off the rod, negative for me and how I hold it.
A plus for the feel is it being narrower it doesn't rock in your hands when you have a lot of resistance. And it is super smooth and powerful.
How much tension are you adding with the right side casting brake? It sounds like it is loose?
For me I used all the centrifugal brakes, all of the mag brakes and even a little tension on the right.
Remember, all of these things slow the reel down. Being so very well made with such tight tolerances and having such high quality bearings is what makes it so fast.  |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Sounds like a bearing needs some oil. Take the spool out and oil every bearing you can reach lightly. I just measured the Beast 60, Toro S, Revo Toro, and NACL, and all are nearly identical at 2.5 inches from where the hand grips the rod to the top of the reel. Tomorrow I'll take an NACL and Beast and shoot a picture with a straight edge to be sure. |
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| They do feel a bit taller at first but is much more comfortable after getting used to it. I agree with John on the backlash issue. Even my NACLs I had to have the spool control knob pretty tight. Also getting the line on tight will help. I put on a crankbait and let out all the line while trolling across the lake then reel it back in. Makes the line much tighter and level on the spool. |
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| How tight I have the tension is silly, I oiled it up and I'm assuming that wore some grease out of the bearings being as it was 45* the first day I used it. Still wish I had just stayed with my NACL's
On all other Abu Garcia reals I swear your only supposed to tension it so there is no slop left and right. Then the brakes and magic setting does the rest of you will wear through the plate on the left side of the spool axel |
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| The beast does feel taller, which im a huge fan of. The NaCl and previous toro's were too wide/flat. Beast is the smoothest reel I think I've ever picked up. Can't wait to own one. Never could buy an NaCl because they didn't hold right. |
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| Fishysam - 10/19/2015 8:15 PM
How tight I have the tension is silly I liked it up and I'm assuming that wore some grease out of the bearings being as it was 45* the first day I used it. Still wish I had just stayed with my NACL's
On all other Abu Garcia reals I swear your only supposed to tension it so there is no slop left and right. Then the brakes and magic setting does the rest of you will wear through the plate on the left side of the spool axel
A last couple of things to consider:
1. Sometimes a very fast reel will reveal a mismatch of bait and rod. A rod that loads a little better will accelerate the lure more slowly and make it easier to manage. If your rod is a little too stiff/bait a little too light it can be hard to control the reel as you are prone to whip it hard.
2. Older braid can become very limp and be hard to handle as well. Fresh line that is a little stiffer is easier to cast.
3. And lastly, if your reel is still hard to control with all of the brakes engaged you can take the shields off of the spool bearings and pack them with grease. This will slow them down (a poor man's cast control, but very effective).
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Here's the beast next to a Revo Toro 50 on a flat surface in the same position.
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| Fishysam - 10/19/2015 8:15 PM
How tight I have the tension is silly I liked it up and I'm assuming that wore some grease out of the bearings being as it was 45* the first day I used it. Still wish I had just stayed with my NACL's
On all other Abu Garcia reals I swear your only supposed to tension it so there is no slop left and right. Then the brakes and magic setting does the rest of you will wear through the plate on the left side of the spool axel
Try this as well:
Open up your reel on the left side and remove the spool. Take a screwdriver and carefully open the top cover of the centrifugal brake. Remove any springs inside that slow activation and hasten reset of the brakes.
Replace the cover and LS plate and give that a try.
The Revo Toro Beast I just got had all of the springs removed and it was very easy to control w/o even any use of the mags. If yours still has all the springs that should be the cause of your trouble.
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| I purchased the beast 60 HS and matched it with my XH 9' 3" Predator which i use for all rubber jerkbaits and swimbaits. I'm a Shimano guy but was interested in this reel. I must admit it this is one of the smoothest reels I've ever used and i own every reel from Shimano excluding the Tranx due to it's size. Key things I've noticed about this reel.
1- super smooth
2- cast like a dream- big and small baits
3- Drag easily accessible
4- Fits hand comfortably (during retrieve) and balances nicely with rod
5- When casting the gear box actually worked through my skin. I've learned to back off my right hand during the cast due to this. I have smaller hands if it matters?
6- I will stick with with my Trinidad Gold 14 for burning smaller blades- In all fairness i haven't used the power handle yet with the beast 60 HS but with the regular handle i felt a lot of resistance with smaller bucktails. I will convert to the power handle and see how it compares to the Trinidad for burning smaller stuff.
7- I was very surprised when i opened the box it does not come with a wrench for changing the handles?
I've only got around 14 solid days in with this reel but i really like it for the purpose i purchased it for.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Big difference with the power handle. |
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Location: MN | What do you mean "the gear box worked through my skin"? |
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| Not sure what that means?
Weighed power handle is much better and what I use for blades over really shallow weeds. The non weighted jigging handle makes big blades a breeze but then you risk engagement. |
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| Oh its just a 10mm wrench and small screwdriver. Easy peezy. Just look for the washer on the backside of the handle. They like to stick to the handle and get over looked. |
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| My reel came with no springs inside the brakes. At least there not like the rest of my Abu fleet. I am skeptical that I think there should be springs. I'm going to look at the schematics now. |
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| Fishysam - 10/20/2015 7:43 PM
My reel came with no springs inside the brakes. At least there not like the rest of my Abu fleet. I am skeptical that I think there should be springs. I'm going to look at the schematics now.
Was just a random hope to help you out. The pre-production reels I was sent had springs on the brakes that I was told to take off as they needed more brake.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | cast4musky - 10/20/2015 3:20 PM
Fishysam Something Sounds FISHY...
Second that. Of course the Beast is not like the rest of your Abus. Do you know anyone else who owns a Beast? Try borrowing it if the guy trusts you not to take the thing completely apart, and see if a different reel on the same rod behaves the same for you.
Springs were pre-production. None on the production models, so being skeptical of thinking there should be springs is correct. |
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| Hey. If it sounds as bad as you say and you think something is wrong with it send it to pure fishing. They will send you a new reel asap. I had a bad one and they took care of it. Have 40 hrs on the replacement burning blades over shallow weeds and its been great. |
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| Fyi On LT rods the beast and S60 are about a 1/4 higher than a NACL 60 on the same rods. The beast/S is skinnier and more ergonomic. |
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| So did the hounds miss my post about "oiling the bearings?" I had an auto correct issue changed it to "liked". But it's was 45*F and when I added oil to them there was clearly grease in them. That with the cold first day made for heavy resistance on casting. Don't tell me that the sealed bearings don't have grease. Cause they did. It's better now. Still super smooth is nice but 100$ more than a NACL for a couple feet of range isn't worth it yet. We will see in more time. have 2 days on it now. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Why are you being so difficult? People are trying to help and you just continue to be rude.
The Beast is smoother, has a far superior drag when and if you catch a big girl, is more comfortable to fish with, will be a better reel after two or three season's hard use, ...etc. I'll trade you an NACL in great shape and $100 for it.
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| Propster - 10/20/2015 8:50 PM
What do you mean "the gear box worked through my skin"?
When i cast my right index finger is locked under the reel. It's hard to explain but the reel rubs or digs into my finger slightly during the cast which wears through my skin. After time I've learned to back my hand down slightly while casting to prevent this. No big deal but just something I've experienced. |
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| Seems most new reels are packed with grease because manufacturers know most people will not maintain them as needed and grease lasts longer then oil. The bad part is it really will slow the reel down. |
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Location: north central wisconsin | NOFEAR - 10/21/2015 7:43 PM
Propster - 10/20/2015 8:50 PM
What do you mean "the gear box worked through my skin"?
When i cast my right index finger is locked under the reel. It's hard to explain but the reel rubs or digs into my finger slightly during the cast which wears through my skin. After time I've learned to back my hand down slightly while casting to prevent this. No big deal but just something I've experienced.
Shouldn't your left hand be on the reel during the cast if the gear box is on the right side? |
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Location: Metro | My NaCL wears through my skin as well. think about pushing the button down and then ripping a big cast out. right where your pointer finger knuckle is, is where he is talking about the skin getting worked off. it isn't on top of the knuckle but on the left of it if you are looking at your right pointer finger. |
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| Interesting. Got lots of hours on both the Beast and NACls and never had that kind of problem. I have noticed that the Beast has a somewhat sharp edge on the brake side if you stick your finger under the reel and not where you normally would rest your pointer finger palming the reel. There is actually a contour for your finger to rest on. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Holding it oddly is the only thing I can figure. Or casting a 'righty' casting reel with the right hand, maybe? |
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| Not sure how you get a finger there but the only sharpish spot is on the face of the frame on the bottom. |
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| Have a similar issue with an NaCl 60. I cast lefty so the reel never changes hands. When I palm the reel on a traditional reel seat (not the palming reel seat like on a Big Nasty) my middle finger wraps around underneath the gear box. The sharp inner edge of the gearbox rubs my 1st knuckle raw. Especially when throwing Dbl 10's. I do not have this issue when using other reels, including the NaCl 50. |
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Location: Tennessee | On my NaCl 60 I actually had to use a dremel to grind down and smooth out that corner to be able to palm it. After doing that it was fine, but it shouldnt have been an issue to begin with. |
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| Wood_Duck - 10/23/2015 5:45 AM
On my NaCl 60 I actually had to use a dremel to grind down and smooth out that corner to be able to palm it. After doing that it was fine, but it shouldnt have been an issue to begin with.
can you post a photo of your mod? that will make clear precisely where you had to make modifications. thanks in advance. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Wood_Duck - 10/23/2015 7:45 AM
On my NaCl 60 I actually had to use a dremel to grind down and smooth out that corner to be able to palm it. After doing that it was fine, but it shouldnt have been an issue to begin with.
And it isn't for me, or anyone else I fish with, oddly enough. Please post a picture how you are holding that reel, I have had zero issues with either palming or regular grips witn an NACL stapped in, and certainly not the 50 or Beast. My fingers don't get behind or push up against the gear box on the handle side of the reel at all. |
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Location: Tennessee | johndtuttle - 10/23/2015 11:30 AM
Wood_Duck - 10/23/2015 5:45 AM
On my NaCl 60 I actually had to use a dremel to grind down and smooth out that corner to be able to palm it. After doing that it was fine, but it shouldnt have been an issue to begin with.
can you post a photo of your mod? that will make clear precisely where you had to make modifications. thanks in advance. : )
Don't have a pic handy with the NaCl but here is me holding a regular Toro 50 and I have no trouble with the 50. On the 60 however the wider spool allows my ring finger to ride up higher by the gear box and there is where I had to grind down the sharp corner. I circled the area where the corner is located though and jabs my finger. I've talked to 3 other guys who expressed the same issue with the 60 size.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | That is a palming grip, right? If so, you have your hand too far under the reel and too far forward. The grip is designed so you do not need to hold the reel on the right side at all. Your thumb should rest lightly on the top contour of the left faceplate. I'll shoot images of this when I get back, just discussed this over at the St Croix factory. Don't squeeze the rod seat or the reel, basically. Also, to cast correctly you should have the handle knobs pointing down during the cast. If the spool is not sky on left boat floor on right on a righty reel during the cast the reel will not cast as well as it could. |
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Location: Tennessee | I'm not sure what grip it is by name, but it's just where my hand seems comfortable at on my reels. So far though that NaCl 60 was the only issue. I'm fine on Tranx, Curado, Komodo, Toro 50, etc. |
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| Now that I have some time in with them I have to say I am extremely impressed with the 61 HS beast and especially the 61 Toro S. Both reels feel very comfortable, are very smooth, and cast very well. Compared to the other reels mentioned it's night and day in my opinion. I cannot speak to durability but they do feel very well built (if that makes any sense?).
The beasts are worth the money IMO if you have it in the budget but honestly I am blown away by the Toro S given the reel you get at that price point. Compared to other reels in that price range it's no contest IMO and I have tried all that were mentioned. I have been using it for everything from rubber to large jerkbaits and cranks and it feels awesome at the 5:3:1 ratio. |
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| I agree great reels even though I had to send one back and was sent a new one. Have about 70 hrs now and there's nothing on the market better imo. Still like the NACLs but these are just better. |
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Location: Metro | achotrod - 10/25/2015 8:07 PM
I agree great reels even though I had to send one back and was sent a new one. Have about 70 hrs now and there's nothing on the market better imo. Still like the NACLs but these are just better.
I will send a PM as well but I am just wondering how the process of sending a reel back to Abu is. I have closed my reel mid cast a couple times and heard the awful heartbreaking sound of gears grinding. I have a 2 year warranty and a 1 year gander mountain warranty. Any info on this would be great. |
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| Just box it up and send it to Pure Fishing with a note about whats wrong. There are directions in the box with the address. I sent it out on a Monday and had a new reel by Thursday. Amazingly fast turn around and they will send back you old spool with the line still on it. Cant beat that. I take it you had the Jigging handle on? |
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| Musky952 - 10/26/2015 8:57 AM
achotrod - 10/25/2015 8:07 PM
I agree great reels even though I had to send one back and was sent a new one. Have about 70 hrs now and there's nothing on the market better imo. Still like the NACLs but these are just better.
I will send a PM as well but I am just wondering how the process of sending a reel back to Abu is. I have closed my reel mid cast a couple times and heard the awful heartbreaking sound of gears grinding. I have a 2 year warranty and a 1 year gander mountain warranty. Any info on this would be great.
The reel closing mid cast should not be a warranty issue per se as it should only be a case of using the jigging handle when casting and not leaving it in a "down" position then casting?
If the pinion/spool is spinning rapidly then the reel is put in gear it will make noise, but not necessarily damage the gears. Do you feel damaged gears when cranking?
Just trying to help you troubleshoot. If the gears haven't been damaged it is easy to avoid this in the future.
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Location: MN | I can't comment on the warranty (whether it should or shouldn't apply) but I do feel it is operator error, as all you have to do is hold the thumb bar down and it can't engage. But warranty is warranty though I guess regardless, if it is so worded. I find that normally if the spool engages during the cast you may get away with it a time or two or even three, but usually I find pieces of the lower part of the pinion gear (I call it the flanges but that's probably not accurate) broken off and laying in there somewhere. It's the first part of the pinion trying to engage the spool shaft pin as it's turning quite rapidly. But if not broken, then the only other thing I can envision that would make the noise or not work right is if the shaft pin is bent, or the teeth on the pinion clashed with the teeth on the drive gear and rolled them over a bit. |
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Location: Central Wisconsin | sworrall - 10/21/2015 2:02 PM
Why are you being so difficult? People are trying to help and you just continue to be rude.
The Beast is smoother, has a far superior drag when and if you catch a big girl, is more comfortable to fish with, will be a better reel after two or three season's hard use, ...etc. I'll trade you an NACL in great shape and $100 for it.
Geez.
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Location: Aurora | Do the Toro S & Beast's levelwinds disengage when casting?
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| Sidejack - 10/28/2015 9:19 PM
Do the Toro S & Beast's levelwinds disengage when casting?
I'm hoping they stay engaged but couldn't find any info.
The level wind dis-engages when casting similarly to a Tranx or Lexa. Having a more narrow spool and a "stretched" distance between the Line Guide and spool makes it unnecessary to have the LW engaged. It actually improves casting distance. |
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| Def disengaging but still out casts the NACL and no line stacking issues. It is a non issue. |
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http://www.purefishing.jp/product/bc/revo_bigshooter_wm60_wm60.html
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| I would have guessed without translating that it's a jigging model but the paddle handle is stumping me. |
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| The individual in the video appears to be casting. Braking seems similar to the S/Toro as well. Ordered one earlier today, so I'll know once it arrives. Pricing falls in between the S and Beast, but more towards the S's pricing. |
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| With a smaller spool than the tranx that 42" will feel like winching a boat throwing anything but a glider IMO.
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Location: Hayward, WI | 42 inches is 42 inches, whether you get there by a high gear ratio or a big spool. The work needed to be done is the same. How easy or hard it feels will mostly boil down to handle length and maybe to a small degree, reel efficiency.
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| cave run legend - 10/30/2015 9:12 AM
With a smaller spool than the tranx that 42" will feel like winching a boat throwing anything but a glider IMO.
There are a lot of Saltwater applications where the lures don't generate as much resistance as D10s etc. and faster line pickup is more ideal. Sometimes the lures are very small, but moved very quickly. The ideal popping reel for SW use is a Stella or Saltist with 59" IPT.
Note that in the video linked above that it is being used in SW. |
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| igl00jx - 10/29/2015 12:45 PM
The individual in the video appears to be casting. Braking seems similar to the S/Toro as well. Ordered one earlier today, so I'll know once it arrives. Pricing falls in between the S and Beast, but more towards the S's pricing.
Braking looks more like the Beast. The S doest not have the adjustable brakes inside the housing just the dial. |
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| ^^^good to know. Thanks |
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| the reel that you see in the video is practically almost a revo Toro Beast with a 7.6:1 ratio
with 6/1 bearings , 42'' retrieve , 10 kg ( 22 lb ) power drag with a capacity of max 120 m of PE8 ( +/- 80/100lb braided line) and max 144 m of 0.47 mm of nylon line.
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| esoxone - 11/1/2015 8:44 PM
the reel that you see in the video is practically almost a revo Toro Beast with a 7.6:1 ratio
with 6/1 bearings , 42'' retrieve , 10 kg ( 22 lb ) power drag with a capacity of max 120 m of PE8 ( +/- 80/100lb braided line) and max 144 m of 0.47 mm of nylon line.
Can u translate that into English? kdawg |
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| kdawg - 11/2/2015 11:05 AM
esoxone - 11/1/2015 8:44 PM
the reel that you see in the video is practically almost a revo Toro Beast with a 7.6:1 ratio
with 6/1 bearings , 42'' retrieve , 10 kg ( 22 lb ) power drag with a capacity of max 120 m of PE8 ( +/- 80/100lb braided line) and max 144 m of 0.47 mm of nylon line.
Can u translate that into English? kdawg
I used an online translator Japanese / English.
I thought that the features were clear.No problem : I write them again.
Features :
Gear Ratio : 7.6:1
Retrieve Rate IPT : 42''
Ball Bearings : 6
Roller Bearing : 1
Max Drag lb : 22 lb
Mono Capacity yd/lb : 157/30
Braided Capacity yd/lb : 130/80
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| So less bearings less drag and less line capacity then the beast 60 but faster IPT. |
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| achotrod - 11/3/2015 11:17 AM
So less bearings less drag and less line capacity then the beast 60 but faster IPT.
Yes
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| The Big Shooter came in today. Much larger than anticipated, but still palmable with my small hands. About the width of a 50 size of the outgoing model, but taller.
Haven't had a chance to use it yet, but will chase skis tomorrow.
http://i.imgur.com/wZ6OFnKl.jpg |
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| Looks the same size as a 60 Beast. Im guessing you could change out the gears if the 7.6 ratio is not ideal for you. That reel would look pretty good on a new Legend Elite rod! |
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Location: Madison, WI | Changing the handle sure is a pain on these holy cow |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Wasn't a big deal for me.... |
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| Really? You need a screwdriver and a 10mm wrench. I think its easier then most reels with a locking tab. |
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| igl00jx - 11/6/2015 6:55 PM
The Big Shooter came in today. Much larger than anticipated, but still palmable with my small hands. About the width of a 50 size of the outgoing model, but taller.
Haven't had a chance to use it yet, but will chase skis tomorrow.
http://i.imgur.com/wZ6OFnKl.jpg
awesome. let us know how you do!
For a little more information about the Big Shooter though it shares some features with the beast (ie Ti Ni line guide) it does not have the Active Response Drag innovation seen in the Toro Beast that allows you to decrease drag setting under load. |
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| igl00jx - 11/6/2015 8:55 PM
The Big Shooter came in today. Much larger than anticipated, but still palmable with my small hands. About the width of a 50 size of the outgoing model, but taller.
Haven't had a chance to use it yet, but will chase skis tomorrow.
http://i.imgur.com/wZ6OFnKl.jpg
Any feedback on this reel after using it for nearly a month? |
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Location: Central Wisconsin | Hey guys, I was hoping you could give me some advice on the new reels. I currently have a winch 60 and a NaCl 60 5.4:1. I'm looking at trying the beast and just want to try one first before replacing the both, but will sell my NaCl to eat some cost. I mainly use my NaCl for everything and only use the winch when throwing 10's for an extended time. I was wondering in your opinion, if the 4.9:1 Beast would be the best all around reel as it has 27" per turn compared to the NaCl I have at 26" or if the 6.2:1 at 34" would be best. I currently have no issue retrieving smaller blades, cranks, gliders, and rubber on my 5.4:1 NaCl. I was thinking the 4.9 should give me the inches per turn I had, with the lower ratio to maybe be able to do big blades too with the paddle handle if wanted. I thought maybe the 6.2 would be a little much for resistance with smaller blades like 8's and 9's but sounds like a lot of guys like the HS. Just looking for some insight from someone who has had the chance to fish with these reels. |
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Location: MN | You're on the right track, but at 27 IPT i don't consider the 4.9 the best all around. I would use it over the 6.2 for 9's, 10's, and 13's. Tens are just too much resistance for the 6.2, even with the long power handle. Though I haven't tried it yet most others are saying the S at 29 IPT does well with tens also. I felt like 8's were okay on my 6.2, you do feel some resistance but at that point you are moving them along pretty good too. For speed on smaller blades, and for line pickup on other applications, the 6.2 is a great reel. |
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Location: central Wisconsin | I picked up a 50 HS, it has 31" pickup. Haven't used it yet but figured that ratio should be a good compromise. |
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Location: MN | You're either onto something, or on something. That might be a decent compromise, but I have a feeling tens will still be a little tough |
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Location: central Wisconsin | He is asking for a best all around reel not a strictly tens reel. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | one thing you can do to offset the line pickup of the 6.2 is to just not spool it full.. spool it 3/4 or so .. or 7/8..it will have more line pick up than the 4.9 but not as much as full and help counter the torque on 10s...I do that with my tranx HG and it helps a ton... you don't HAVE to fill the spool ... |
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| I got a chance to throw the Hs beast its a sweet reel for sure throwing mag 9s let me tell you its not easy to the guys saying there throwing 10s with no issue idk id be beat on a 12 hour day |
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Location: MN | lehighmuskies - 12/22/2015 4:45 PM
I got a chance to throw the Hs beast its a sweet reel for sure throwing mag 9s let me tell you its not easy to the guys saying there throwing 10s with no issue idk id be beat on a 12 hour day
I don't think I've heard anyone say the HS does tens like nothing, but I have heard that about the 4.9 Beast and the S |
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| I read some on fb saying that. I'm glad I'm going with the 4.9 |
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Location: Contrarian Island | 4.9 will bring them easier, and also slowwwwer... imo the tranx hg or saltiest 20 are about the only 2 that actually can bring blades in fast... or at least as fast as any reel can bring them in.... |
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| I have been pondering this question a lot. I think I will likely go with the 4.9. This will be the double 9-10 reel that I want but then I will likely buy the 5.3 gears for the S and put it in the Beast If I am feeling like I want to use it as a more of an all around reel. |
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| BNelson IMO is right on the Money. But the weight Factor.... and being only Right Handed Left me with a choice of either the S Series or a 4.9 Beast to choose from. So I had purchased two 2 Beasts and one S series.... Personally I like the S for the Double 10's better than the Beast 4.9. They are both Awesome reels and either one will make a fine addition....For BEST ALL AROUND I would have to pick the S. Mike |
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Location: Madison, WI | NOFEAR - 10/20/2015 7:40 PM
I purchased the beast 60 HS and matched it with my XH 9' 3" Predator which i use for all rubber jerkbaits and swimbaits. I'm a Shimano guy but was interested in this reel. I must admit it this is one of the smoothest reels I've ever used and i own every reel from Shimano excluding the Tranx due to it's size. Key things I've noticed about this reel.
1- super smooth
2- cast like a dream- big and small baits
3- Drag easily accessible
4- Fits hand comfortably (during retrieve) and balances nicely with rod
5- When casting the gear box actually worked through my skin. I've learned to back off my right hand during the cast due to this. I have smaller hands if it matters?
6- I will stick with with my Trinidad Gold 14 for burning smaller blades- In all fairness i haven't used the power handle yet with the beast 60 HS but with the regular handle i felt a lot of resistance with smaller bucktails. I will convert to the power handle and see how it compares to the Trinidad for burning smaller stuff.
7- I was very surprised when i opened the box it does not come with a wrench for changing the handles?
I've only got around 14 solid days in with this reel but i really like it for the purpose i purchased it for.
Take Care!
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The only issue... and i mean the ONLY issue i've had. Is that, since i switch hands when i cast, the slight corner on the bottom right side of the reel sticks into the edge of my right hand at the first knuckle and can be painful at the end of a long day. (Attached is a picture showing the area on the reel that causes the issue - yes it's an S even though i have a beast. ANd also a pic of my hand where the issue occurs)
sounds like the same issue that "NOFEAR" has.
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| Self-adhesive bandages/wraps may help you. May get wet, but at least it's not raw. I had a 70001 that I would hit that spot on while casting and it worked. Serves as a trolling reel now. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Rotate your wrist more so the reel is perfectly on it's side during the cast, handle up in your case, using a right handed reel to cast lefty.
That's why they make casting reels left or right handed. |
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Location: With my son on the water | Happy New Year to every one.
I have read that several of you are interested in putting the 5:3 gears that come standard with the S into the Beast. I will agree that will make a sweet reel.
Does anyone know if the gears are available? How much they will cost? And where you can get them?
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| I do not know the answers but I am planning on doing this very thing. If you order the parts let us know what you find out. I would start by calling Abu as you would to order any other part. I ask John Tuddle about this a while ago and he said that his connection at Abu was unsure of the price but reassured him that the switch would be possible.
Next week at the Chicago show I will be asking the guys at the Abu Garcia stand these questions. |
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Location: Madison, WI | Thanks I'll give that a try! |
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