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Location: Chisholm, MN | Hey all,
Once late fall roles around I like using pounder bulldogs and the like. I'm fishing deeper water for huge fish. She will probably have a hard time throwing these big baits. Does anyone have any recommendations on what some good deep water late fall baits would be for someone who can't throw the big stuff for huge deep fish? |
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Location: North St. Paul, MN | What about a big, sinking/suspending, weighted dive & rise...Big Daddy or Fat AZ Raptor?
Or...slow rolled Super Model or Cowgirl? |
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| bondy or other jigging set up. |
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Location: MN | Deep running crankbait like a shad slammer |
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Location: MN | 10 inch headlock. |
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| My girlfriend throws RO monster tubes and regular medusas in the late season when she's out with me. They aren't heavy baits and still fish deeper water efficiently. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Thanks all! Good stuff. The tubes are a great idea! |
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Location: Ashland WI | Bondy Royal orba.
Also, what about those dawgs with the next size up tail?
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| How about a smaller hardhead? |
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Location: Walker, MN | A big willow leaf spinnerbait isn't too bad. I have had some luck in the fall slow rolling a Flashy Serial Killer. |
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| throw a weighted 9" Suick ,,, two flicks of the tail and a musky can come up 25 feet in a flash !! -----<*)}}}}}}}}}}}><{{ |
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Location: New Hope MN | mnmusky - 8/16/2015 10:44 AM
live sucker
+1
and bring a buddy heater |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | All good stuff guys. Thanks. The sucker idea is always an option but if I'm casting she will want to cast. Suckers may get some attention though. |
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Location: McGuire AFB, NJ | Second the big spinnerbait option. You can control depth with speed. Perfect for the breaks. Cast and reel in...too easy. Cari like's throwing a Tandem and Magnum Nutbusters in the fall. That is of course if I can get her out in the boat when its cold haha. |
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Location: Lincoln, NE | My sister went with us last November. Her rod isn't really rated big enough for pounders. She mainly threw a regular medusa. Spent a little time with the 2nd to largest hardhead, and spent a bunch of time on a Bondy St. Clair Grub. It's got a big tail so it's long like a pounder but doesn't have the mass of a pounder. Plus you can change the head weight. Kind of in between a mag dawg and a pounder. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | With the right tackle she might be able to lob the 8 oz Hardhead without too much trouble, and they are easy to work. Or even 9" Curly Sues or Regular Dawgs.
Another option would be a Triple D or Depthraider or Ernie. Easy to cast, run deep, not hard to work. Tom Gelb caught a monster in late fall row trolling a Depthraider, and that's far from a huge bait. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | I'd agree with any deeper running crank... even a 9" Grandma really doesn't pull hard at all straight cranking and a great choice....
another thought was a reg or mag shadzilla |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | I think a crank will be probably her best option. I just need to convince her that it will actually work. If I'm not throwing it, she thinks it's the wrong thing and won't catch anything. I do own a shadzilla too. She'd like that because it actually looks like a fish. I hope she can stay motivated fishing late fall because you guys know how it can be. |
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| Before all of this make sure she has either a state of the art waterproof set of gloves or about 6 or 7 pairs to change into,,casting in late fall means cold numbing hands.
Ice armor "mittens" are clumsy but man do they keep you cozy!! |
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| I would also recommend finding out if she likes it. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | BenR - 8/17/2015 4:09 PM
I would also recommend finding out if she likes it.
Likes the cold or the fishing? We've been trying like heck to get her first muskie this year. Lots of chances at really big fish but a little bad luck  She'll make it happen soon though. It's been fun!
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Location: Smith Creek | monster tubes, shadzillas, texas rigged killer eels, alpha dawgs. |
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| Kirby Budrow - 8/17/2015 4:13 PM
BenR - 8/17/2015 4:09 PM
I would also recommend finding out if she likes it.
Likes the cold or the fishing? We've been trying like heck to get her first muskie this year. Lots of chances at really big fish but a little bad luck She'll make it happen soon though. It's been fun!
Fishing and fall musky fishing are much different. I have done 12 day backcountry backpacking in the mountains here in CO with my wife and plenty of fishing but I know she would not enjoy fall musky fishing. Was just pointing out you might not have an issue if cold long days on the water aren't her thing. |
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Location: Aurora | Hawg Wobbler crawled slow.
They eat um right up ta ice out. |
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| Shadzilla. Easy just cast and reel and fish love the
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| Fishing and fall musky fishing are much different.
In case you didn't know, Kirb. |
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Location: Minnesota. | Kirby Budrow - 8/17/2015 4:13 PM
BenR - 8/17/2015 4:09 PM
I would also recommend finding out if she likes it.
Likes the cold or the fishing? We've been trying like heck to get her first muskie this year. Lots of chances at really big fish but a little bad luck She'll make it happen soon though. It's been fun!
Save your tackle dollars and buy that one a ring Kirby.
An' no, I'm not jokin'....
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| jaultman - 8/18/2015 9:57 AM
Fishing and fall musky fishing are much different.
In case you didn't know, Kirb.
He didn't know what bait to use... |
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| Kirby, your girlfriend actually casts?!?! Mine does for 5 minutes and then reads in the back, via moonlight or Humminbird backlighting. When I find her snoring on the boat floor, I know it's time to go. She is NOT a prime candidate for fall fishing. I agree with the other, give her a 9" grandma. If she doesn't think they work I've got plenty of pics to prove otherwise. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | BenR - 8/18/2015 10:33 AM
jaultman - 8/18/2015 9:57 AM
Fishing and fall musky fishing are much different.
In case you didn't know, Kirb.
He didn't know what bait to use...
Ben thanks for the heads up. I do tons of late fall muskie fishing in Northern MN. I've broken ice and fished in 10 degree temps right through Thanksgiving if I'm lucky. Really, I was wondering if anyone just had any experience with taking a girl out that can cast very well but would have a hard time with big baits. Just looking for ideas of easy baits that could be worked deep. I got lots of good answers too! |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Pat Hoolihan - 8/18/2015 12:05 PM
Kirby, your girlfriend actually casts?!?! Mine does for 5 minutes and then reads in the back, via moonlight or Humminbird backlighting. When I find her snoring on the boat floor, I know it's time to go. She is NOT a prime candidate for fall fishing. I agree with the other, give her a 9" grandma. If she doesn't think they work I've got plenty of pics to prove otherwise.
Good advice Bud! She fishes pretty hard! She'll do great. She just needs one that wants to eat on the cast at this point. The figure 8 may take a little more practice. |
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| My dad never fishes and he with with me to St Clair in July. He threw a shadzilla the entire time. In the first 2 hours he caught his first, a 50.25. The shadzilla was really easy for him. |
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| Sucker fishing is an easy way. I also think a big jointed bait like a Krisco would be a good choice. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | hardhead is a bait that casts and swims nice and catches fish too ... |
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| Bondy baits would work good! |
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| My wife can't throw big lures. i can't throw pounders for any length of time. it wears me out to throw magnum bulldawgs anymore. my wife does well with "Sissy Baits" as we call them: Lil' Ernies, 6 in. Jakes, Shumway Flashers. if she could throw it, a revo shad in the slow sinking or suspending version should work. The alpha dogs would be good if she could throw them, regular size dawg with a magnum dog size tail.
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Location: Northern Illinois | How about an 8" Believer. It's got a rather big profile for such a light lure and can be fished in multiple ways including very slowly. |
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| We have had luck with kraves in the fall. |
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| Allright Kirb...I've held off as long as I could! A young, able bodied gal can throw pounders. Anyone can throw pounders..it's about "want to." That and technique + equipment. At least mags, reg dussa's, etc. Maybe we need to do a video cause its kinda hard to explain. I have a feeling you know what I'm talking about. Here's my attempt: Long handle rod is key! After 8, let out 4/5 feet of line with bait in the water as you lift the rod tip. Swing dawg past right shoulder. When the bait is at its furthest point back pull down with left hand while using right hand as fulcrum. Momentum of the bait swinging back will transfer around and over the top. Pay extra attention to technique and efficiency. Never lift the full weight of the bait. Use geometry and momentum to your advantage. I've used this method to have anglers from 14 to 70 casting rubber for multiple days. You know-ah fall giants-ah love rubber-ah! |
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Location: Ludington, MI | Get her a ring! As many karats as you can afford! |
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Location: varies | Think Trebuchet when pitching rubber. |
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| Ben Olsen - 9/2/2015 7:50 PM Allright Kirb...I've held off as long as I could! A young, able bodied gal can throw pounders. Anyone can throw pounders..it's about "want to." That and technique + equipment. At least mags, reg dussa's, etc. Maybe we need to do a video cause its kinda hard to explain. I have a feeling you know what I'm talking about. Here's my attempt: Long handle rod is key! After 8, let out 4/5 feet of line with bait in the water as you lift the rod tip. Swing dawg past right shoulder. When the bait is at its furthest point back pull down with left hand while using right hand as fulcrum. Momentum of the bait swinging back will transfer around and over the top. Pay extra attention to technique and efficiency. Never lift the full weight of the bait. Use geometry and momentum to your advantage. I've used this method to have anglers from 14 to 70 casting rubber for multiple days. You know-ah fall giants-ah love rubber-ah! Physics...it's cool
Watch some Keyes Outdoors videos with Ben in them and you will see what he is talking about. Definitely makes it easier to cast big rubber all day. |
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Location: The desert | Ben Olsen - 9/2/2015 7:50 PM
Allright Kirb...I've held off as long as I could! A young, able bodied gal can throw pounders. Anyone can throw pounders..it's about "want to." That and technique + equipment. At least mags, reg dussa's, etc. Maybe we need to do a video cause its kinda hard to explain. I have a feeling you know what I'm talking about. Here's my attempt: Long handle rod is key! After 8, let out 4/5 feet of line with bait in the water as you lift the rod tip. Swing dawg past right shoulder. When the bait is at its furthest point back pull down with left hand while using right hand as fulcrum. Momentum of the bait swinging back will transfer around and over the top. Pay extra attention to technique and efficiency. Never lift the full weight of the bait. Use geometry and momentum to your advantage. I've used this method to have anglers from 14 to 70 casting rubber for multiple days. You know-ah fall giants-ah love rubber-ah!
Great description. And it works
But for me, I like to lean back in the chair and put my feet on the gunnel. Maybe doze off waiting for a click..click...cliiiiiiiiiick. |
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| Ben Olsen - 9/2/2015 7:50 PM
You know-ah fall giants-ah love rubber-ah!
HAHA |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Ben Olsen - 9/2/2015 7:50 PM
Allright Kirb...I've held off as long as I could! A young, able bodied gal can throw pounders. Anyone can throw pounders..it's about "want to." That and technique + equipment. At least mags, reg dussa's, etc. Maybe we need to do a video cause its kinda hard to explain. I have a feeling you know what I'm talking about. Here's my attempt: Long handle rod is key! After 8, let out 4/5 feet of line with bait in the water as you lift the rod tip. Swing dawg past right shoulder. When the bait is at its furthest point back pull down with left hand while using right hand as fulcrum. Momentum of the bait swinging back will transfer around and over the top. Pay extra attention to technique and efficiency. Never lift the full weight of the bait. Use geometry and momentum to your advantage. I've used this method to have anglers from 14 to 70 casting rubber for multiple days. You know-ah fall giants-ah love rubber-ah!
Haha! Heavy-ah!
Thanks Ben,
I've been casting like that for a while and can certainly teach her but I'm still not sure she can do it at this point with her limited casting experience. Hopefully she can just do that with a mag dawg. I tried to show her that technique the other day cuz she was asking why I had so much line out. I was like, "want me to show you"? She declined  |
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| If she is right handed, just give her a lefty reel and put a original shadzilla on. You will be suprised how much easier it is if you dont have to learn it with the wrong hand first. |
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