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| I'm wondering what you guys prefer and how there durability is. Would mostly be used for twitching cranks, gliders, possibly rubber. My round reels have been well used and I would like to upgrade a few. Suggestions, positives vs. negatives. Only looking at the abu line at this time. Thanks, and happy hunting. |
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| All the revo toro's are pretty much the same. for the application you describe i would go with a 5:1 or possibly a 6:1 ratio. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | If you are buying new, you're pretty much just looking at the NACL unless you want the cranking power of the Toro Winch. Within the NACL line you have 2 options of gear ratios, both of which are very popular for various applications. |
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| I like my nacl very well. I have a winch too it is just geared slow. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | go with the 5 gear ABU NACL
best low profile reel today. comes in a 50 or 60
if you use 65 lb braid you can go with the 50, if you use 80 or 100lb braid go with the 60. hope this helps. |
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Location: NE Ohio | i had the winch also, gearing was way to slow. sent both in and had them switched to a 5.4:1 ratio. now i'm happy with them. i don't care for the 6:1 ratio but my buddies love it for keeping up with gliding jerkbaits. |
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Location: WI | If you can wait til sept you should. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | Trophyseeker50 - 1/28/2015 9:41 PM
If you can wait til sept you should. The Toro beast is sweet. And it will have a couple gear options.
I thought it's been mentioned multiple times on this forum that the Beast is not a musky reel? |
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Location: MN | That's correct |
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Location: Grand Marais, MN | dami0101 - 1/28/2015 9:45 PM
Trophyseeker50 - 1/28/2015 9:41 PM
If you can wait til sept you should. The Toro beast is sweet. And it will have a couple gear options.
I thought it's been mentioned multiple times on this forum that the Beast is not a musky reel?
I think the revo beast is the already released bass reel and toro beast is the to-be released new low profile Abu that is a Muskie sized reel |
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| Great guys, the information helps. PikeMaster have you had problems with the 6 gear NACL's? I will be ordering the 5 as recommended, as I think this will probably provide better cranking leverage and versatility, in the 60 series. Thanks |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | No
The 6 gears are great at picking up slack
Line
The 5 gears is the best all around reel |
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Location: Walker, MN | F.Y.I., I just picked up 2 more Nacl from Glen's Army/Navy for $221.99 each, I had them the next day! The site doesn't really say it but this does include power handle as well. Free shipping too. |
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| Thanks Pike Master, Nice price on the reel as well. |
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Location: Western U.P. | Trophyseeker50 - 1/28/2015 9:41 PM
If you can wait til sept you should. The Toro beast is sweet. And it will have a couple gear options.
Trophyseeker50, is your above post speculation or fact? |
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| He said TORO Beast not Revo Beast. Cant wait for that reel! Pretty sure Trophyseeker tested a prototype.
I love the NACLs and IMO they are the best all around reel out right now. No negatives and I have 5. Saying that I have had LEXA 300 and 400 a Tranx and Curado this year. I like the NACL 60 5.4 the most for an all around reel. Burning 8s and top water I like the 6.4 better |
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| PIKEMASTER - 1/29/2015 7:46 AM
No
The 6 gears are great at picking up slack
Line
The 5 gears is the best all around reel
Exact same conclusion I have come to. No problems and agree completely. Only took a couple thousand dollars in reels for me to figure it out. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | If you are young and have strong hands a 6 gear reel will be OK
but when get older the 5 gear works best for me, I just have to reel faster but it so much easier with the 5 gears over the 6 gears. |
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Location: Waconia,MN | Sworrall Has been testing the new reel from abu, and from what i understand he can't give out any info on it. We'll learn more about it At icast. |
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| Picture of the NaCl 50 i just took out of the box and put on a rod for perspective. Kinda wish i would have went with the 60. The 50 was smaller than expected.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | FYI I would not install the Power Handle in the last hole, it will cause the reel to engauge during the cast.
That handle is made for deep water jigging not casting. |
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| IF you really want to use the power handle, in the long setting, hold the thumbar down during cast, its really easy to do with some practice. |
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| Thats how the reel arrived. Sadly everything is frozen so i have a few months before i can try it out? So do use yours without the power handle? |
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Location: Wisconsin | I have both models of the Nacl and I sold both power handles as I don't like them. The double handles are great and pull tens just fine. You shouldn't have an issue with out the power handle and no worries about the handle engaging mid cast. |
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| I use the power handle and love it |
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| Any 50 owners run 80 or larger lb test?
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Location: central Wisconsin | I have 80# power pro on a couple of 50 series 6.4's NACls. No issues at all, they will hold 100 yards + backing. |
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| Ive never used backing so 100 yards should be good. |
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Location: Wisconsin | I used 80# on my 50 as well. Plenty of line capacity |
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Location: Palatine, IL | No issues with 80# on both of my 50s. |
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Location: Central Wisconsin | wisskie - 1/31/2015 7:54 PM
Ive never used backing so 100 yards should be good.
You should really consider using some backing, even if only 5 yards. It will keep your line from slipping on the spool during hook sets. Either that or tape it very well. |
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Location: Walker, MN | I like the 50 size for a down sizer rod. You probably wouldn't want to troll with it. |
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| I use 80 also no issues. I like the paddle handle on the 50 6.4s for speed and since the lures are typically lighter it works great. I prefer the 60 5.4 with the powerhandle in the short setting for cranking power with 10s and heavy baits all day. |
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| Riverrat351 - 2/1/2015 6:45 AM
wisskie - 1/31/2015 7:54 PM
Ive never used backing so 100 yards should be good.
You should really consider using some backing, even if only 5 yards. It will keep your line from slipping on the spool during hook sets. Either that or tape it very well.
Ive never had issues with the line slipping on hook set. Has anybody ever experienced line spinning because you didnt have backing? Ive had buddies tell me i should use it but never really had an issue without it. |
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| wisskie - 2/1/2015 5:54 PM
Riverrat351 - 2/1/2015 6:45 AM
wisskie - 1/31/2015 7:54 PM
Ive never used backing so 100 yards should be good.
You should really consider using some backing, even if only 5 yards. It will keep your line from slipping on the spool during hook sets. Either that or tape it very well.
Ive never had issues with the line slipping on hook set. Has anybody ever experienced line spinning because you didnt have backing? Ive had buddies tell me i should use it but never really had an issue without it.
I've had line slip without mono backing. I didn't know it was happening at first, just kept trying to tighten my drag. Put a little mono on there. Better safe than sorry |
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Location: Walker, MN | I have always just wrapped the spool with electrical tape. Yes, braid will slip on bare aluminum spools. |
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Location: Romeo Michigan | Masqui-ninja - 2/1/2015 8:46 PM
I have always just wrapped the spool with electrical tape. Yes, braid will slip on bare aluminum spools.
I too have never had an issue with electrical tape.
Cheers
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Location: NE Ohio | for the life of me i just can't figure out why anyone would ever want to put more than 100 yds of expensive braid of any kind on a reel for muskie fishing. i've always used mono backing wound on tightly to get me to that depth on the reel and have never had any slippage of any kind period, casting or trolling. |
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Location: WI | I have two winches and three Nacls and can honestly say I've never had a thumb bar stick or heard of one sticking |
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Location: Central Wisconsin | I have two NaCls and love both of them. Had a problem with the thumb bar on one but that was because I hit the powerhandle mid cast and the reel tried to engage. I sent it to purefishing and it was fixed and returned within a week!! |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | The reason some of you have problems with the thumb bar is when you push with your thumb you are not pushing straight down, you are pushing in on the thumb bar and that will cause the bar to grove the frame. You must put your thumb on the top of the thumb bar and push straight down.
Also if you try to release the spool thumb bar fighting a fish you will bend the plastic thumb bar arm and that will cause the reel thumb bar not to release, use the drag when fighting a fish. Hope that helps. |
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| I have 5 NACLs and no issues. The only thing I have had, is if you reel the leader all the way to the tip top at night for instance when you cant see its tougher to press cause the pressure but thats it. |
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Location: Lake County Illinois | I had a chance to handle the Toro beast at the Milwaukee musky show today. It wasn't on display but if you ask the guys at the Abu Garcia booth,they might bring it out from behind the curtain for you to see.It felt very nice about the size of a 60 but looks like it sits up a bit higher,but not much.It was a high speed reel 6.3;1 I believe, and the didn't seem sure if there was going to be other speeds but hopefully there will be.I wish I could have snapped a picture but im guessing they would have said no. |
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| Any idea on line pick up? |
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Location: MN | achotrod - 2/14/2015 10:21 AM
Any idea on line pick up?
He said they were shooting for 34" |
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Location: Hayward, WI | cave run legend - 2/14/2015 10:59 AM
34" with 6:3:1 gears? If it takes the same effort as the tranx hg I would rather have the 9" on the tranx.
If it's a happy medium between the two Tranx options, the Abu is what I would prefer.
None of us really know what to expect from this reel yet, but I'm hoping for good things. |
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Location: MN | We'll see but you're absolutely right, it depends on how they achieve it whether it's worth a hoot or not |
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Location: WI | I'm assuming we are able to talk about the toro beast now that they had it displayed at the Milwaukee show? |
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| Anyone get a pic of it? |
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Location: WI | I should have taken a pic next to a Nacl 60. Really only thing bigger is the gear side. If it is bigger it doesnt feel as such. |
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| What line pickup is the nacl high speed, 31" or so? |
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| Thats great news! I had to sell my Tranx do to its size and weight. If this truly is the middle of the road in performance between the HG/PG and is the size of a 60 Im ready to order! |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | achotrod - 2/16/2015 10:44 AM
Thats great news! I had to sell my Tranx do to its size and weight. If this truly is the middle of the road in performance between the HG/PG and is the size of a 60 Im ready to order!
I don’t know, doesn't really seem middle of the road to me, 5.4:1 with 34 IPT would be more middle of the road in my opinion.
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| I agree. Probably 300$ or so does not seem worth it for 3 more inches with 6:4:1gears IMO. I would buy a low profile with 34" in 5:4:1 gears in a heart beat. |
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Location: MN | Sizewise it's really almost unoticeable - only slightly bigger I'd say in length, and it may sit a hair higher, than an NACL. But of course since they aren't even sure what they will settle on it's hard to say if it's done changing and therefore final. I agree that if they can achieve 34 ipt with 5.3-5.4 gear ratio, and in the size they showed me or even a little bigger, then they've got my undivided attention and interest. Anything much less than 33-34" or much greater than 5.4 though and they've lost me. He made such a big deal out how much smaller and lighter it would be than the Tranx and Lexa 400 but forgot the most important part - how will it compare performance-wise. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | It's going to be more than 34" on a nearly full spool if the reel we used as a prototype is going to be the production model. I think it will be.
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Location: Minnesota. | pklingen - 2/8/2015 6:03 AM
for the life of me i just can't figure out why anyone would ever want to put more than 100 yds of expensive braid of any kind on a reel for muskie fishing. i've always used mono backing wound on tightly to get me to that depth on the reel and have never had any slippage of any kind period, casting or trolling.
Pat, I've often wondered that very same thing. Why? All you need is 100 yds. of good braid...back it with whatever you feel is fit. The cheaper the better.
You can buy heavy, thick backing to take up space as needed or cheapo mono etc. Use the dbl. Uni for the connection. Saves lots of $$!
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