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| Could you guys list some of the cranks that have this side to side type of action? |
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Location: Duluth, MN | Check out supernatural big baits...headlocks and matlocks, if you can get your hands on any that is! |
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Location: Morgantown, WV | Hammers! |
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Location: Pewaukee, WI | X2 on Paul Fec's Hammers! |
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Location: NE Ohio | Hammer lures - Scatter Little Hammer, and Scatter Bero Hammer have a very nice "walk" to them. |
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA | Hammers and Boss Shads |
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Location: NE Ohio | chad shads, hammers, boss's, and that video on that new 'battle shad' looks like that dog will hunt. |
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Location: oswego, il | Hammers definitely do. You can also tune and tweek alot of baits to do it. |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | Here's a short list but this could be really long. Lots of good wandering cranks out there, as noted by ToddM, you can make many wander by tuning.
Fish All Slasher
Believer (all sizes)
Wiley
Woodie
Loke
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| what size. what depth.. jointed oir straights |
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Location: Sycamore, IL | The little 5" Bakers will also get a good wander to them if you are looking for a deep shad type of profile. I have had good luck with the Ziggie baits and Supernatural baits as well. |
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| woodieb8 - 1/8/2015 1:27 PM
what size. what depth.. jointed oir straights
Ideally a scatter rap style super shad rap but they don't exist. The scatter hammer sounds like it's the perfect match. |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | -tyler - 1/8/2015 5:24 PM woodieb8 - 1/8/2015 1:27 PM what size. what depth.. jointed oir straights Ideally a scatter rap style super shad rap but they don't exist. The scatter hammer sounds like it's the perfect match. The Super Shad Rap does wander pretty well and you can get a little more out of them by de-tuning. |
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Location: Planet Meltdown | Lee Tauchen's new bait called the Pelagic has an awesome walking action to it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nriD_jura-g&feature=share |
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Location: St Paul, Minnesota | That Pelagic looks awesome and completely slid under my watchful radar until just now, good work! I wish he had updated his website so I could see more details and all the colors... |
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| we build a 6 inch wire thru that walks and hammers hard. not the standard wobble. here on st clair the fish have seen thousands of shad styles. we make them also. but the bigger fish do get schooled.. either way remember don't limit your bait action by using too short or too hard leaders on poundage. that restricts the baits movement no matter whicjh baitmaker builds it. |
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Location: Planet Meltdown | Cloud7 - 1/9/2015 12:22 PM
That Pelagic looks awesome and completely slid under my watchful radar until just now, good work! I wish he had updated his website so I could see more details and all the colors...
He's been updating his Facebook page with a few of the colors that will be available at the Chicago show. |
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Location: Sw Pennsylvania | Lil scatter hammers have great walk to them...boss shads, loke and ziggies all have a good walk to them. |
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Location: MN | woodieb8 - 1/9/2015 11:40 AM
either way remember don't limit your bait action by using too short or too hard leaders on poundage. that restricts the baits movement no matter whicjh baitmaker builds it.
What leaders to you suggest?
I use Stealth Trolling Leaders (36 inches I believe) with 100-150 lb test. Is that okay with Headlocks or do you think it is restricting the bait from wandering? |
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| larger pounding baits 36 is fine. for smaller baits 5-7 we troll 5ft leaders. this also allows an inline weight if needed to achieve more depths. .. also on leaders use snaps that allow the bait free will. some snaps angle in ward and once again restrict swing. . as you can gather ive been a troller here on lsc all my life lol. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | How well do these walk/hunt while casting? We don't troll, which seems to be the main reason most people use crankbaits, but I'm looking for some that would work well on the straight retrieve for my father. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | 6" jointed Lokes walk when they're casted as well. The first time I ever noticed a Lure walking was when I was casting a Loke. |
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Location: Sw Pennsylvania | The Lil scatter hammers walk casting also. |
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| dami0101 - 1/9/2015 8:53 PM
How well do these walk/hunt while casting? We don't troll, which seems to be the main reason most people use crankbaits, but I'm looking for some that would work well on the straight retrieve for my father. ... any of the baits mentiones will walk casted. |
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| I am surprised no one has mentioned Drifters double and triple D. They are very versatile, you can jerk, twitch or walk deep or shallow. I have had a lot of success in post-frontal situations. |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | southern comfort - 1/10/2015 11:32 AM
I am surprised no one has mentioned Drifters double and triple D. They are very versatile, you can jerk, twitch or walk deep or shallow. I have had a lot of success in post-frontal situations.
The DD and DDD do not hunt like what was asked. Great baits as you mentioned though. Watch the video of the Pelagic if you don't know what "hunt" means.
Countdown sharks on the shallow setting will hunt on the cast. Add the same lip from the countdown shark to a ciscokid and it will also hunt. |
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| I'm an amateur with lures, so is it the lip that makes a bait "hunt" or kick out more? It seems from the video the Pelagic has a very similar lip as a Headlock/Supernatural. |
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| when we get into bait styles lip angles theres great variances on whats a walk or wobble. every part of a musky season differs. shallow baits mid-range and deeper divers. lip angles lip shapes all come into play. . funny early season here we run bigger baits 3 weeks in as waters warm we head to 5-6 inch hi vibration baits up hi. then peak summer its faster speeds and the walk . in fall its the slo wobble. remember aalso the baits gotta be in the strike zone threshold. theres times big fish wont chase..aint this fun after over 5 decades chasin these ornery fish they still humble the best at any given time . |
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Location: Money, PA | Key factors to a walking bait you ask? Lots of trial and error! The perfect combination of body shape/size, lip angle, lip shape/style, weight and action all have to come together at once....what actually creates that wonder, walk or hunt? I don't actually know specifically...I did find that most round shaped lips create a walk. Square lips tend to dig.
The scatter hammer comes in all of my models now, but the straights certainly "hunt" more than the jointeds. They are a perfect casting bait as well due to less drag and yes they walk when retrieved steady, slowly or fast. Thanks.
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Location: oswego, il | One of the things I think that makes a bait walk is when the lip angle, length and line tie are not in balance. There is a line though from out of balance to not work at all. Paul's baits have that perfect "imbalance". Other baits like the headlock do as well. |
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| The Pelagic definitely looks sweet, and I definitely could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure most of that " walking" is being achieved by whoever is holding the rod moving it side to side on a short line for the camera. The video seems to support this if you really watch it. Still cool tho! |
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Location: Apollo, PA | should have named it lockhead.......... |
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Location: Minnesota | Head locks walk all over the place. Don't know how to post u tube but head locks are on you tube walk all over with out moving the rod |
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Location: Apollo, PA | was just being sarcastic........ bait is an attempted knockoff |
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Location: Money, PA | I actually have two youtube vids for you guys to see. First is a 4.5 Lil Hammer Scatter being trolled at 4.5 mph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSWfVWKfYEw&list=UU0WLPg7EXzu53Dn79p...
The second is the larger 7 3/4" Bero Sledge Hammer Scatter trolled at 4 mph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWsV4LXxnz4&list=UU0WLPg7EXzu53Dn79p...
The faster the bait is trolled the tighter the hunt action will be; if I slow the speed down, the lures have a wider path....enjoy.
If I had underwater footage, it would show the action even better....If anyone could help me with this, I'd appreciate it....would love that for my website! |
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Location: Money, PA | Slimetime 2 - 1/13/2015 6:51 PM
The Pelagic definitely looks sweet, and I definitely could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure most of that " walking" is being achieved by whoever is holding the rod moving it side to side on a short line for the camera. The video seems to support this if you really watch it. Still cool tho!
Yup, you are wrong...unfortunately |
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Location: north central wisconsin | ne more walking lure that I've done well with is the Musky Magnet made by Kermit Good, particularily the 5" and 9" straight models and the 5" jointed. The 5" will walk nicely on the cast or rip. |
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| That Pelagic is a Headlock knock-off. |
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| What's the best walking wiley or stalker style lure? |
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Location: WV | Myers Thrasher Shad. |
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Location: Money, PA | There is no walking Wiley...Of course, you can get some Wileys to kick randomly, but there are none with a consistent "hunting" action. IMO his best bait was the original square lip fatbody, but he no longer makes them with the square lip. |
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Crankbaits that walk/hunt?