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muskycole
Posted 11/23/2014 8:37 PM (#741386)
Subject: torn between reels..




Posts: 6


Im looking to upgrade to a new reel for next year it will be on a 9' TI xxh rod and primarly used for bucktails and plastics. The reels im torn between are...
Diawa lexa 400 pwr
Abu revo toro nacl
Calcutta 400B
Calcutta 400D

Please give me all your opinions on which would be the best. Thanks
muskyhunter47
Posted 11/23/2014 8:53 PM (#741387 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..




Posts: 1638


Location: Minnesota
I'm a Shimano guy so I would say 400 D unless you can find a used 400 TE
fish4musky1
Posted 11/23/2014 10:07 PM (#741402 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..





Location: Northern Wisconsin
400d. Two full seasons and not a problem yet.
Brett Erickson
Posted 11/23/2014 10:42 PM (#741408 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: RE: torn between reels..




Posts: 34


With the exception of the D, I think you would be disappointed in the speed of the other reels for both bucktails and picking up the slack on rubber. I would look between the D and the Lexa 400H to be better at better handling these types of baits.
Brett Erickson
MartinTD
Posted 11/24/2014 8:29 AM (#741427 - in reply to #741402)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..





Posts: 1129


Location: NorthCentral WI
fish4musky1 - 11/23/2014 10:07 PM

400d. Two full seasons and not a problem yet.
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X2. No doubt these are very solid reels!
Clammer
Posted 11/24/2014 10:15 AM (#741448 - in reply to #741387)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..




Posts: 667


Location: Wisconsin
muskyhunter47 - 11/23/2014 8:53 PM

I'm a Shimano guy so I would say 400 D unless you can find a used 400 TE


Never tried a lexa, toros are nice but, man I really love my shimano D!
burningdubs
Posted 11/24/2014 10:39 AM (#741453 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: RE: torn between reels..




Posts: 143


I used the Lexa 400pwr this past season and I'd recommend it. Never had any issues with it and it pulls in big blades and plastics with ease. Is suggest going to eBay to purchase them, I purchased 2 Lexas for $200 each. I see no reason that I'll switch to another brand anytime soon.
achotrod
Posted 11/24/2014 12:28 PM (#741473 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..





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NACL 60 5.4 is the best all around low profile reel I have used. The shimano's are great for round reels, and prefer them over the Abus.
dami0101
Posted 11/24/2014 4:40 PM (#741516 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..





Posts: 750


Location: Minneapolis, MN
Brett Erickson - 11/23/2014 10:42 PM

With the exception of the D, I think you would be disappointed in the speed of the other reels for both bucktails and picking up the slack on rubber. I would look between the D and the Lexa 400H to be better at better handling these types of baits.
Brett Erickson


I’m not sure what you’re talking about in regards to speed, with the exception of the 400B, they have similar IPT’s:
400D 27 IPT 5.1:1
400B 24 IPT 5.0:1
NACL 26 IPT 5.4:1
Lexa 400 PWR 27 IPT 5.1:1

I guess the first thing to mention is that the OP isn’t exactly looking at similar tiers of reels, a new 400B will run you $230 whereas a new 400D will run you $380. There’s a $150 difference between the 400B and 400D, with the other two falling in between, so is cost a consideration?

I have a 400B and wile I have no complaints, it’s not a reel I would use all day for double 10’s or 10’3 without first changing to a power handle. The slower speed would make it harder and more tiresome to try and burn blades with, but it can be done. As for plastics, the slower speed also is at a disadvantage when it comes to picking up the slack while ripping or pulling.

As for the other 3, you will probably find an equal number of people that like and dislike each one. It seems to me that the number 1 complaint people have about the 400D is the lack of thumb screws requires an actual screwdriver when trying to change brake setting. The #2 complaint seems to be the 15 lbs. drag.
wallydiven
Posted 11/24/2014 4:56 PM (#741519 - in reply to #741516)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..





Posts: 538


Location: northern indiana
I wouldn't consider any reel with 15lbs of drag. I've had to learn the hard way about drag slipage. Love my Lexa's and NACL's
achotrod
Posted 11/24/2014 5:16 PM (#741525 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..





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NACL 60 5.4 11oz, 26ipt, 22lbs of drag. Super smooth and cast a mile. Best of everything.
RyanJoz
Posted 11/24/2014 5:43 PM (#741532 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..




Posts: 1673


Location: Mt. Zion, IL
NACL 60 5.4:1. Great drag, comfortable reel, parts available from ABU if you trash one. You can't say the same about a 400D...
muskycole
Posted 11/24/2014 6:26 PM (#741537 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: RE: torn between reels..




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3/4 of the time with this rod I be using cowgirls or similar double bladed buck tails, and only on occasion I throw dawgs. Cost is a consideration (not interested in a Tranx price tag) but on the same note I want the best quality and performance I can get I usually go 2-3 times a week and 8 hour days. This previous summer I used a abu 6600 stx which is 5.9 gears and I could tell it was a cheap reel and wad toast as soon as it got cold.
Travis A.
Posted 11/24/2014 6:31 PM (#741540 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..





Posts: 157


Location: Lincoln, NE
I have a NACL 6.4:1 on my Big Nasty and a Calcutta 400B on my St Croix Classic Cat. Both are smooth casting, reeling and built great. I've only used the 400B on a musky rod as a backup for a short time but it casted great. For me it would come down to the NACL being low profile whereas the round reels hurt my wrist after awhile. I don't throw bucktails a lot though and when I do they are not usually twin 10's. The NACL work great for picking up slack line on the Nasty for rubber with long fast rips. I don't think quality wise you can go wrong with either so for me I would say go with the NACL just for the low profile and for the cool blue color. But if round reels don't affect you after all day and you got the cash maybe try the Calcutta D.
achotrod
Posted 11/24/2014 6:44 PM (#741544 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..





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Also would like to mention the NACL has a clicker if you like to troll drag suckers or want to go catfishing or whatever.
lennyg3
Posted 11/25/2014 6:55 AM (#741606 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..





Posts: 483


Location: NE PA
If you are looking at the 400D, and that price point is in your range may I suggest a lexa 400pwr and a saltist? the saltist is a fantastic rubber reel and once you get the hang of it, can cast/burn blades pretty well. Also like the fact that it has a clicker for trolling. the 5.1 lexa does a great job casting blades and the retrieve is almost effortless. I got one for my father (73 years young) and he can throw blades all day with minimal fatigue. I think that you would be happy with either a lexa or a nacl in the lower gear ratio for blades, however I do not like my lexa for rubber because as mentioned above the line pickup isn't really adequate.
NPike_Guy
Posted 11/25/2014 7:18 AM (#741607 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..




Posts: 46


The high speed Lexa with a power handle is tough to beat in my opinion. Just a great all around reel, especially for rubber. I seem to have less freeze-up issues than I do with my revos as well.
muskycole
Posted 11/25/2014 1:50 PM (#741651 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..




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But would the high speed work great for bucks also? Are you guys suggesting i have 2 separate set ups?
dami0101
Posted 11/25/2014 2:55 PM (#741660 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..





Posts: 750


Location: Minneapolis, MN
Do you need 2 setups? No. Having said that, having 2 setups allows you to maximize each setup for its intended purpose. The NACL 5.4, 400D, and Lexa 400 PWR will all work well as general purpose reels, they just may not be optimal in a given situation, though the same can be said for any reel. Having said that, you stated that 75% of the time you will be throwing blades, so I would make that my main consideration if I were you. You can still work dawgs with any of the reels listed, you don’t need a high speed one, they just aren’t as optimal.

I myself only run two setups, a 7’6” h with a 400B for WTD style baits and a 9’ XH with a Tranx PG that throws everything else. It’s not optimal for really light or really heavy baits, but it gets the job done.
achotrod
Posted 11/25/2014 3:59 PM (#741671 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..





Posts: 1283


Problem with most HS reels and bucktails is the cranking effort and burning out the gears with the resistance they put out. I hope my new Tranx HG feels like my NACL 5.4 for ease of pulling them in but with way more line pick up.
muskycole
Posted 11/26/2014 9:07 AM (#741728 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..




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So last year I used my abu stx 6600 for blades and dawgs 5.9 gears and 28" per turn and the lexa 400pwr is 27" will that extra inch make a huge difference?
MOJOcandy101
Posted 11/26/2014 9:51 AM (#741736 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..





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Location: Alex or Alek?
I have the 6.4 NaCl and love it. Really smooth and small.

My friend has both the high speed and low speed daiwa and those are also nice reels.

With that said i will be buying another Abu before next season. Now just cant decide if i should wait and see what the new line coming out will be
Wood_Duck
Posted 11/26/2014 10:22 AM (#741746 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..





Posts: 555


Location: Tennessee
I'd vote 400D but the NaCl is solid. I just hate palming the 60 size revos.
achotrod
Posted 11/26/2014 10:42 AM (#741753 - in reply to #741728)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..





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muskycole - 11/26/2014 9:07 AM

So last year I used my abu stx 6600 for blades and dawgs 5.9 gears and 28" per turn and the lexa 400pwr is 27" will that extra inch make a huge difference?


No the extra inch will not make any noticeable difference.
BenR
Posted 11/26/2014 10:50 AM (#741756 - in reply to #741753)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..


achotrod - 11/26/2014 10:42 AM

muskycole - 11/26/2014 9:07 AM

So last year I used my abu stx 6600 for blades and dawgs 5.9 gears and 28" per turn and the lexa 400pwr is 27" will that extra inch make a huge difference?


No the extra inch will not make any noticeable difference.



The size of the spool and gears make a big difference though. So you should notice a much difference experience with the Lexa. similar to a nacl HS vs Tranx PG, both are around 30 inches per turn, but performance is vastly different.
achotrod
Posted 11/26/2014 3:39 PM (#741790 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..





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Thats why I bought a tranx HG, I want the ease of the 5.4 but the line pick up of the HG. Hopefully it works out. Stupid hard water makes it tough to fish. Between the 400pwr and the NACL 5.4 the pick up was within a inch but the NACL seemed to be faster and easier. I really wish I had tried the 400 6.3. instead of the PWRp

I agree his old reel vs the PWRp will be a world of difference in ease of cranking but IPT is IPT and 1" wont make any notable speed difference.
bpswing
Posted 11/21/2015 10:14 AM (#793469 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..





Posts: 10


Location: Western NY
Personally if it didnt have at least 6.2 to 1 ratio, I wouldnt get it. Too hard when fish are swimming at you with a slow ratio reel plus its a heck of alot easier when casting all day to make less turns. 5.4 would be a bare minimum but I think that is too slow. I think Revos come in both. Hard to beat that reel.
WiscoMusky
Posted 11/21/2015 9:53 PM (#793526 - in reply to #741386)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..




Posts: 397


Location: Wisconsin
I own a number of reels of different brands, but shimano has the most heavy duty parts without question. If I were you I would get a 400d or if you can get a used 401te- get that!!!!
sworrall
Posted 11/21/2015 10:14 PM (#793528 - in reply to #793526)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..





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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
WiscoMusky - 11/21/2015 9:53 PM

I own a number of reels of different brands, but shimano has the most heavy duty parts without question. If I were you I would get a 400d or if you can get a used 401te- get that!!!!


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WiscoMusky
Posted 11/21/2015 11:02 PM (#793532 - in reply to #793528)
Subject: Re: torn between reels..




Posts: 397


Location: Wisconsin
Not sure what you're confused about Steve? I thought my opinion was stated pretty clear. I've had three Abu NaCl reels break because the internals didn't hold up, one of which broke in less than one week from when I bought it. I've had this one Calcutta 401te for 8 years and it works as good as the day I got it, I attribute that to the higher quality parts that shimmano uses
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