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Maybe I’m old-school when it comes to musky (and trophies in general), but for me half the musky fishing is the hunt. With a guide that half is done. Sort of like a deer guide putting you in a stand, giving you a gun, and telling you not to miss when the big boy walks out 30 minutes after sunrise.
I’m certainly taking the shot, taking pictures with a smile, putting the rack on the wall, and telling my friends about the experience I had, but I’m not going to brag about being a trophy hunter. |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | Booch - 4/24/2018 6:20 PM
Nevermind, I’ll get in.
Maybe I’m old-school when it comes to musky (and trophies in general), but for me half the musky fishing is the hunt. With a guide that half is done. Sort of like a deer guide putting you in a stand, giving you a gun, and telling you not to miss when the big boy walks out 30 minutes after sunrise.
I’m certainly taking the shot, taking pictures with a smile, putting the rack on the wall, and telling my friends about the experience I had, but I’m not going to brag about being a trophy hunter.
You act like every guide is just a robot fish catching wizard. You are still hunting muskies together. It doesnt always work out, sometimes even you/they gotta grind. A good guide will get you involved. You still gotta put in the work factor. Just my $0.02
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Location: Aurora | 14ledo81 - 4/24/2018 3:54 PM
Listen to Herbeck talk about live bait (sucker) fishing, and then tell me if there is no skill involved.
A lot more to it than just putting a sucker on the line and throwing it out the back of the boat.
I know i'm off topic but I gotta agree with the above plus, soakin bait is dayyum near more werk than duck hunting with little to no return even when you ARE doin it right. Currently readin Eli's "That Big Fat musky Book" and during his interview with Jim Saric, Jim stated that he was up to 74 fifty-inchers with only one coming on live bait. |
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Location: The desert | Who cares? |
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Location: oswego, il | Anyone trying to figure out why mn property owners don't want muskies, thus musky fisherman on their lake need not go much further than this and the other thread atop the general discussion board.
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| JakeStCroixSkis - 4/24/2018 5:37 PM
You act like every guide is just a robot fish catching wizard. You are still hunting muskies together. It doesnt always work out, sometimes even you/they gotta grind. A good guide will get you involved. You still gotta put in the work factor. Just my $0.02
Wasn’t my point. But to your point, I don’t think many hire guides to put forth the same grind they’d have to without one.
I’m not against guides at all. But if a sportsman gloats about a trophy from a guided trip, it's a little like cheating. |
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Location: Ashland WI | Booch - 4/24/2018 9:02 PM
JakeStCroixSkis - 4/24/2018 5:37 PM
You act like every guide is just a robot fish catching wizard. You are still hunting muskies together. It doesnt always work out, sometimes even you/they gotta grind. A good guide will get you involved. You still gotta put in the work factor. Just my $0.02
Wasn’t my point. But to your point, I don’t think many hire guides to put forth the same grind they’d have to without one.
I’m not against guides at all. But if a sportsman gloats about a trophy from a guided trip, it's a little like cheating.
Cheating? To you maybe. All that really matters is what the guy that caught the fish feels like.
Why would anyone care about how (or with who) someone else caught a fish?
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Location: Aurora | ToddM - 4/24/2018 6:38 PM
Anyone trying to figure out why mn property owners don't want muskies, thus musky fisherman on their lake need not go much further than this and the other thread atop the general discussion board.
You mean the "New Rain Gear" thread?
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Most of the guides I fish with are my friends, not paid for the day. Some are fishing with me, not the other way around. Now there are REALLY serious issues.
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Location: St. Lawrence River | sworrall - 4/25/2018 12:04 AM
Most of the guides I fish with are my friends, not paid for the day. Some are fishing with me, not the other way around. Now there are REALLY serious issues.
Absolute proof muskie anglers will argue about anything.
Arguing, discussing, conversating, debating, whatever you wanna call her Steve. Interesting topics provoke a diverse variety of opinions and stances i guess... come on summer lol... |
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Location: Kansas City MO | JakeStCroixSkis - 4/24/2018 5:37 PM
Booch - 4/24/2018 6:20 PM
Nevermind, I’ll get in.
Maybe I’m old-school when it comes to musky (and trophies in general), but for me half the musky fishing is the hunt. With a guide that half is done. Sort of like a deer guide putting you in a stand, giving you a gun, and telling you not to miss when the big boy walks out 30 minutes after sunrise.
I’m certainly taking the shot, taking pictures with a smile, putting the rack on the wall, and telling my friends about the experience I had, but I’m not going to brag about being a trophy hunter.
You act like every guide is just a robot fish catching wizard. You are still hunting muskies together. It doesnt always work out, sometimes even you/they gotta grind. A good guide will get you involved. You still gotta put in the work factor. Just my $0.02
I always hire guides on LOTW. I don't own a boat and therefore my LU is never at risk. We grind it out for a week and I catch many fish. I guess I don't any fish? |
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Location: oswego, il | Ivegotafever - 4/25/2018 6:23 AM
JakeStCroixSkis - 4/24/2018 5:37 PM
Booch - 4/24/2018 6:20 PM
Nevermind, I’ll get in.
Maybe I’m old-school when it comes to musky (and trophies in general), but for me half the musky fishing is the hunt. With a guide that half is done. Sort of like a deer guide putting you in a stand, giving you a gun, and telling you not to miss when the big boy walks out 30 minutes after sunrise.
I’m certainly taking the shot, taking pictures with a smile, putting the rack on the wall, and telling my friends about the experience I had, but I’m not going to brag about being a trophy hunter.
You act like every guide is just a robot fish catching wizard. You are still hunting muskies together. It doesnt always work out, sometimes even you/they gotta grind. A good guide will get you involved. You still gotta put in the work factor. Just my $0.02
I always hire guides on LOTW. I don't own a boat and therefore my LU is never at risk. We grind it out for a week and I catch many fish. I guess I don't any fish?
There are no excuses in musky fishing. If you don't throw giant baits with a giant reel, wear cool clothes, a buff, do it in big fiberglass and have a gigantic ego, you are just taking up space and lucking or buying into whatever comes your way.  |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Ivegotafever - 4/25/2018 7:23 AM
JakeStCroixSkis - 4/24/2018 5:37 PM
Booch - 4/24/2018 6:20 PM
Nevermind, I’ll get in.
Maybe I’m old-school when it comes to musky (and trophies in general), but for me half the musky fishing is the hunt. With a guide that half is done. Sort of like a deer guide putting you in a stand, giving you a gun, and telling you not to miss when the big boy walks out 30 minutes after sunrise.
I’m certainly taking the shot, taking pictures with a smile, putting the rack on the wall, and telling my friends about the experience I had, but I’m not going to brag about being a trophy hunter.
You act like every guide is just a robot fish catching wizard. You are still hunting muskies together. It doesnt always work out, sometimes even you/they gotta grind. A good guide will get you involved. You still gotta put in the work factor. Just my $0.02
I always hire guides on LOTW. I don't own a boat and therefore my LU is never at risk. We grind it out for a week and I catch many fish. I guess I don't any fish?
I would guess on Lake of the Woods you are doing a lot of casting and the guide is taking you to spots. When I started the thread I was referring to trolling situations where the guide is doing everything but winding the string. There's nothing wrong with that if that's what you want, but to me working out the puzzle is what turns my crank.
In not owning a boat and a lot of other shiny stuff you may be the smartest guy on here. I'm sure with the money I've spent on boats and tackle that was never used insurance, storage, marina fees, ramp fees in the last 40 years I could have fished with a guide every weekend and been money ahead.
Like Steve I do on occasion fish with friends that guide but we run our own toys. When in their boat I will buy lunch or throw in some gas money and they do the same when we fish out of mine . |
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| No different than casting all the guide's spots IMO. He's still putting you on the fish. When trolling, if my rod goes off or it's my turn if a rod goes off, then I caught it. If it's the next guy's turn, he caught it. |
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| If you have to travel a long ways to fish big water hiring a guide or knowing somebody in the area is about the only way many people can fish some of the legendary muskie spots. I've hired a guide on the few trips I fished Lake St. Clair and would probably do the same if I ever get to fish Georgian Bay, St. Lawrence River, Ottawa River, Vermillion, or Mille Lacs. I catch almost all my fish wading, as I sold my boat a long time ago, as it was the only way I can afford to fish a lot for muskies. I drive to the places I want to fish in a car that gets about 30 miles a gallon, so I can make more trips. I do fairly well, I caught a 50.25" pure bred and a 52.5" hybrid both wading last year and caught about 35 muskies and hybrids total. |
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| I've been fishing musky about 5 years up here in Canada.
I hadn't trolled for musky until last year.
When I take my buddies out trolling, with my gear, my boat, my lures, my net, and my gas, I make it very clear that every fish caught belongs to the boat.
We take turns fighting and landing them, but they still belong to the boat.
When we land a 55 incher, I don't want the guy who happened to be up next to reel to be able to take all the credit.
As for guides, I don't think they care.
They land hundreds of fish a season.
I think they're just as happy to be able to say they guided a client to that fish. |
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Location: oswego, il | It only matters if you havs a big fragile ego. |
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| Some people hire guides because they do not have the equipment or access to a boat. Nothing wrong with that. |
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | Booch - 4/24/2018 5:20 PM
Nevermind, I’ll get in.
Maybe I’m old-school when it comes to musky (and trophies in general), but for me half the musky fishing is the hunt. With a guide that half is done. Sort of like a deer guide putting you in a stand, giving you a gun, and telling you not to miss when the big boy walks out 30 minutes after sunrise.
I’m certainly taking the shot, taking pictures with a smile, putting the rack on the wall, and telling my friends about the experience I had, but I’m not going to brag about being a trophy hunter.
Fortunately we have white knights out there like you to put these losers in their place. It’s important to let them know we will not tolerate their happiness unchecked
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Location: Otsego, MN | Does it matter? When I fish I consider everyone in the boat to be on the same "team". Whoever is the least experienced usually is up front if casting, gets the first rod when trolling and ALWAYS gets the first sucker. I could care less about personally catching fish anymore, its about the comradery and success for the boat. I still enjoy every fish that hits my bait but I get almost as excited seeing others do well.
There's a million reasons why people hire a guide and why would it matter to anyone else if they do? |
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Location: Honor, MI | Back on topic, as far as I'm concerned, when trolling, the guide's job is put out the lines, drive the boat, net the fish, and maybe take pictures, period. The client's job, when a rod goes off is to grab it from the holder, and reel in the fish, "his fish."
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| But if it's your boat and it's the boat's fish, is it more your fish than the others who are in your boat?
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Location: Honor, MI | This thread is becoming way too esoteric for an old man. Your's, the guides, the boats, seriously? What ever trips your trigger. After 55+ years of fishing (40 hardcore)
I've been fortunate enough to have many mounts of multiple species on the wall.
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Location: oswego, il | Maybe ask the fish. |
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Location: central Wisconsin | We always do rock, paper, scissors to determine who's fish it is. |
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| The net guy is always overlooked...funny read though you can tell what time of year it is |
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