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Message Subject: Where have we gone wrong ??
happy hooker
Posted 1/19/2018 11:39 AM (#890097 - in reply to #890090)
Subject: Re: Where have we gone wrong ??




Posts: 3136


First job in high school $1.10 hr,,work 40hrs take home $34
ToddM
Posted 1/19/2018 12:13 PM (#890100 - in reply to #890097)
Subject: Re: Where have we gone wrong ??





Posts: 20173


Location: oswego, il
It's Obama's fault.
T.Carlson
Posted 1/19/2018 12:22 PM (#890101 - in reply to #890014)
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Posts: 155


It all comes back to Global Warming...I mean Climate Change
Top H2O
Posted 1/19/2018 12:36 PM (#890106 - in reply to #890101)
Subject: Re: Where have we gone wrong ??




Posts: 4080


Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion
I spend my Wife's money the way she tells me to spend it... Case closed.
horsehunter
Posted 1/19/2018 1:13 PM (#890112 - in reply to #890089)
Subject: Re: Where have we gone wrong ??




Location: Eastern Ontario
VMS - 1/19/2018 11:53 AM

Hiya,
How many of you can remember the days of buying Mepps Muskie killer tandems for $7.95 and Suicks for $12.99?

Oh how times have changed...and prices with them...

Steve


And gas at 25 cents a imperial gallon, bread at 18 cents you needed help to carry $20 worth of groceries and a man was raising a family on $50 a week. The house I first came home from the hospital to my Dad paid $3200 ( not a typo ) recently sold for $900,000. I told my granddaughters I paid more than 4 times more for my last pair of work boots as I paid for my first car.

Remember a nickle chocolate bar and penny candy. In Canada we no longer have pennies.

Edited by horsehunter 1/19/2018 1:16 PM
woodieb8
Posted 1/19/2018 1:39 PM (#890114 - in reply to #890014)
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Posts: 1529


I was there horsehunter. those good days are long gonzo..3 candies for 1 cent. .
TCESOX
Posted 1/19/2018 2:05 PM (#890117 - in reply to #890090)
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Brian Hoffies - 1/19/2018 10:56 AM

I can also remember weighing 175 lbs and driving a 1967 Ford Galaxy. Oh, and having hair.


Cool. I also drove a '67 Ford Galaxy 500. 390 cubic inch V8, factory 8 track stereo, and hydraulic door locks. Thing weighed more than a full sized heavy duty truck, today.

On the original topic, for me, it's about are you collecting lures or fishing with them. If you are into collecting lures, then paying a premium for a special, hand crafted lure, that you really like, is all good. That's what collectors do. I'm just not going to throw something very expensive, into the lake. Plenty of lures under $40 that seem to catch enough fish. If fact, I probably have more fish on lures under $20, than over.
MRichardson
Posted 1/19/2018 3:15 PM (#890120 - in reply to #890021)
Subject: Re: Where have we gone wrong ??





River2Stream - 1/18/2018 6:55 PM I think these guys are vastly overvaluing what their man hours are worth.

 

Really?  That's insulting.  Would minimum wage be acceptable to you for a lure?



Edited by MRichardson 1/19/2018 3:24 PM
Slamr
Posted 1/19/2018 3:41 PM (#890123 - in reply to #890120)
Subject: Re: Where have we gone wrong ??





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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs
Has this run its course and is now Basement material?

Brian Hoffies
Posted 1/19/2018 3:47 PM (#890126 - in reply to #890123)
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Posts: 1663


Slamr - 1/19/2018 3:41 PM

Has this run its course and is now Basement material?




Hey, you're the boss. I think it's OK yet. You are going into the weekend so there won't be much "work" action here anyway.
supertrollr
Posted 1/19/2018 8:17 PM (#890149 - in reply to #890014)
Subject: Re: Where have we gone wrong ??


barfighter paintjob are not really nice,it chips.if you ask me it don't even worth 25 bucks,now if you talk about lee leviathan that's another story.it move and look like a 125$ lures
Sidejack
Posted 1/19/2018 9:47 PM (#890155 - in reply to #890089)
Subject: Re: Where have we gone wrong ??





Posts: 1077


Location: Anoka
VMS - 1/19/2018 10:53 AM
Hiya,
How many of you can remember the days of buying Mepps Muskie killer tandems for $7.95 and Suicks for $12.99?
Oh how times have changed...and prices with them...
Steve


I wanna say i remember when they were even cheaper than that.
I also remember sitting on the floor at the bait shop, sifting through suick after suick, looking for ones that had the line tie in the right position, weren't warped or had a twist in them, and with hook hangers that lined up somewhat.
It's been years since I've been asked to leave a bait shop..
~sigh~
PIKEMASTER
Posted 1/20/2018 12:01 AM (#890158 - in reply to #890058)
Subject: Re: Where have we gone wrong ??





Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160
happy hooker - 1/19/2018 7:00 AM

I miss poolsides,,,I would spend $100 on a dive rise "IF" I could test drive it, see the wiggle/roll and if it gets down where I want it.


I miss pool side demo of Baits
Please Bring back the Bait Tank at Chicago, Milwaukee and Minneapolis Expo’s
miket55
Posted 1/20/2018 11:10 AM (#890186 - in reply to #890075)
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Posts: 1191


Location: E. Tenn
Sidejack - 1/19/2018 9:38 AM

miket55 - 1/18/2018 11:39 PM
There are still Sears stores that are open??


Lots of um, Mike.
You should really git out more brah.


I just don’t shop at Sears, and have seen a lot of shuttered stores in my travels. I’m away from home 210-245 days a year..

And that map is a 500 mile drive from end to end.


Edited by miket55 1/20/2018 11:22 AM
esoxaddict
Posted 1/20/2018 12:51 PM (#890196 - in reply to #890014)
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I think the short answer is we screwed ourselves by buying into the hype of lures (most now forgotten) that we were convinced were the golden ticket for catching tons of giant muskies. We paid $30 for a whatever, even though the $7.99 hunk of wood with hooks caught just as many fish. But everybody had that $7.99 hunk of wood, so it was nothing special. But our new whatever? Fish have never seen them before! And this and that guide uses them! And look at all those giant fish pictures! I gotta have one! Wait, $50? Well... Okay!

ToddM
Posted 1/20/2018 1:25 PM (#890198 - in reply to #890014)
Subject: Re: Where have we gone wrong ??





Posts: 20173


Location: oswego, il
I can remember when Hughes rivers made their way to chicago and we thought 40 bucks was alot for a musky bait.
Sidejack
Posted 1/20/2018 6:18 PM (#890214 - in reply to #890186)
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Posts: 1077


Location: Anoka
miket55 - 1/20/2018 11:10 AM
I just don’t shop at Sears, and have seen a lot of shuttered stores in my travels. I’m away from home 210-245 days a year..

And that map is a 500 mile drive from end to end.


I hear ya and they're slowly closing or downsizing around MN as well.
I bet if they brought Roebuck back they'd start killin it again.
Beaver
Posted 1/21/2018 9:23 AM (#890232 - in reply to #890090)
Subject: Re: Where have we gone wrong ??





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It's not just muskie lures, everything fishing-related has sky rocketed in the last decade. I can't really fix blame on any one party because I see increases everywhere. People thought it was ridiculous to pay $40 for a Hughes River, then watched them climb to $100 because other people were willing to fork out the cash. You can try to sell anything for a price that you determine, but finding someone to pay it is the trick. You have to draw the line for what you will pay.
muskie-don58
Posted 1/21/2018 10:09 AM (#890238 - in reply to #890014)
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Posts: 213


Location: FIB land
Well I just looked up Hughes River baits, now I don't feel so bad / guilty about indulging in a SuperNatural. LOL
esox911
Posted 1/22/2018 10:06 AM (#890296 - in reply to #890014)
Subject: Re: Where have we gone wrong ??




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I like to support the small basement bait builders also... Nice to have a different assortment of lures than I can buy off the shelf... BUT-- I will not spend a $100 on a lure no matter what.. Way to many guys out there building quality lures for $25-$50.... If someone else wants to spend $100+ on a lure-- I am also fine with that,,, to each their own and I stay out of it...
chasintails
Posted 1/22/2018 10:44 AM (#890298 - in reply to #890014)
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Posts: 451


500 dollar reels, 400 dollar rods, 70,000 dollar boats, 200 dollar baits. All are the top of the line, and probably better then they have ever been before. Out of my league personally, but If I had unlimited funds and more time to use them maybe.
Trophyhunter1958
Posted 1/22/2018 11:19 AM (#890299 - in reply to #890014)
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It's pretty simple , if you don't want to spend big dollars on a Bait ,,,,,Don't , but to say that baitmakers don't deserve to get maximum dollars for their baits is well silly ,,,,, how much is your time worth
Bondy
Posted 1/22/2018 11:38 AM (#890302 - in reply to #890014)
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Speaking of Sears, if they would have gone totally online with the full on Amazon approach 5 years ago, they might be alive today.
jdsplasher
Posted 1/22/2018 12:02 PM (#890304 - in reply to #890048)
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Location: SE, WI.

miket55 - 1/18/2018 11:39 PM There are still Sears stores that are open??

 YES! There is a Sears, tool and hardware store Open on HWY Q in Germantown, WI. They recently replaced a few tools for me there that were Craftsmen!

 JD



Edited by jdsplasher 1/22/2018 12:21 PM
muskidiem
Posted 1/22/2018 12:49 PM (#890308 - in reply to #890014)
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Posts: 255


capitalism allows the market to dictate: if they sell high, sell em. If you not like to pay much, find a way to make em, trade em, buy used. You may not prove anything to anybody on here, but you can share your viewpoint. All I know is that I am never sad a bait gets bit or mauled.
Slamr
Posted 1/22/2018 12:56 PM (#890309 - in reply to #890302)
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs
Bondy - 1/22/2018 11:38 AM

Speaking of Sears, if they would have gone totally online with the full on Amazon approach 5 years ago, they might be alive today.


I was at Sears 5 years ago...we were online then, too. Sears lost, and continues to lose because the name no longer resonates, the labeled product lines (Kenmore, Craftsman, Diehard) have lost quality, pricing does not beat competitors who offer a better shopping experience and better customer service. And the question of that kills Sears (for anyone under the 70 yrs old + demographic) is customers ask themselves "Why would I shop at Sears versus Amazon, Home Depot, etc. etc. etc".
bucknuts
Posted 1/22/2018 2:31 PM (#890319 - in reply to #890014)
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I agree with horsehunter! There is a lot of time and energy that goes into making a homemade bait. They are not doing it for the money, they are doing it for the pride and love of their hobby. If you don't want to spend that kind of money, then stick with the mass produced, baits!
esox1980
Posted 1/22/2018 3:36 PM (#890326 - in reply to #890014)
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Posts: 265


Location: Manitowish Waters WI
I call it the Musky Flee market effect. Since the rise of musky pages on social media and the fisherman catching lures prices have skyrocketed. A mention of a hot bait that catches fish for you and a couple of guides boasting on social media and a new $100+ bait just went into stardom. It's just the way it is when a large group of fishermen believe the lure catches the fish, not knowledge or skill. Don't expect it to come down in price or end. Over the last couple of years it has only expanded.
jlong
Posted 1/22/2018 3:46 PM (#890327 - in reply to #890326)
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Location: Black Creek, WI

My perception is that with the high priced Basement Baits out there that perhaps can justify their cost due to Supply & Demand and their "artistic, hand crafted value" has allowed the Mass Producers to inflate their prices as well.  An injection molded bait that should have a pricepoint in the $15-25 range is now selling for $25-35 range because the consumer has become numb to the cost of musky lures. 

 I thought the whole point of commoditizing a lure was to drive cost DOWN... at the sacrifice of some artistic or hand crafted value? 

Espy
Posted 1/22/2018 4:26 PM (#890328 - in reply to #890327)
Subject: RE: Where have we gone wrong ??





Posts: 323


Location: Elk River, MN
jlong - 1/22/2018 3:46 PM

My perception is that with the high priced Basement Baits out there that perhaps can justify their cost due to Supply & Demand and their "artistic, hand crafted value" has allowed the Mass Producers to inflate their prices as well.  An injection molded bait that should have a pricepoint in the $15-25 range is now selling for $25-35 range because the consumer has become numb to the cost of musky lures. 

 I thought the whole point of commoditizing a lure was to drive cost DOWN... at the sacrifice of some artistic or hand crafted value? 



I think a contributing factor to the last few posts is the "introduction" of the raffle sites that have exploded in popularity.

Can't sell your bait for $80, just put it up for raffle, 10 spots @$8 each. You'll fill those raffles all day.

Guys getting stoned to death for trying to sell baits for $250 started turning to raffles and nobody blinks an eye.
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