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Message Subject: Glider Duplication?
adudeuknow
Posted 7/20/2017 4:52 AM (#870816)
Subject: Glider Duplication?





Posts: 214


Location: Beaver County, Pennsylvania
I have been dabbling with creating some glidebaits very similar to a lure maker in my area that has passed away. I have the lure looking fairly good in terms of likeness and shape but I feel like I have to ask if anyone has any tips or pointers for doing the same thing over and over again. I know practice and repetition are tough to beat but I want to make each one wood(maple). I know I could probably switch to a resin and cast them and adjust weight accordingly and pound out a bunch but like mentioned before would like to keep them all wood.

Some of the shapes I have required some intense hand shaping. I could go the easy route and stick to what shapes a router bit will give me but I believe I am onto something with my current remake and cant for the life of me figure out how this man was able to do the exact same thing thousands of times over the years with almost zero variation from lure to lure.
supertrollr
Posted 7/20/2017 7:43 AM (#870829 - in reply to #870816)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?


who is the guy?do you have picture,it must be nice if you choose to make them almost like that mysterious dead guy?
tkuntz
Posted 7/20/2017 10:11 AM (#870847 - in reply to #870816)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?




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Location: Waukee, IA
The easiest way would be to make outline stencils from above and the side. Cut the blanket according to the stencils then just hand carve the remainder. Unfortunately I don't have any more effective method than that
adudeuknow
Posted 7/20/2017 11:25 AM (#870861 - in reply to #870829)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?





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Location: Beaver County, Pennsylvania
supertrollr - 7/20/2017 8:43 AM

who is the guy?do you have picture,it must be nice if you choose to make them almost like that mysterious dead guy?


i am sure anyone in western pa that is serious about musky could guess who it is but i am going to remain quiet until i get this bad boy figured out.
rougarou
Posted 7/21/2017 3:45 AM (#870949 - in reply to #870861)
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are you are talking about eddie


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adudeuknow
Posted 7/21/2017 4:24 AM (#870952 - in reply to #870949)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?





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Location: Beaver County, Pennsylvania
not eddie but todd and many others have that covered anyways.

i wish it was just a lathe and a table saw. lol

Edited by adudeuknow 7/21/2017 4:27 AM
ToddM
Posted 7/21/2017 5:44 AM (#870957 - in reply to #870816)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?





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Location: oswego, il
Bait X mande by person X!
adudeuknow
Posted 7/21/2017 6:13 AM (#870963 - in reply to #870957)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?





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Location: Beaver County, Pennsylvania
ToddM - 7/21/2017 6:44 AM

Bait X mande by person X!



Yes!
PamuskEhunt
Posted 7/21/2017 4:11 PM (#871049 - in reply to #870816)
Subject: RE: Glider Duplication?




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If it's that consistent, it's either a duplicator on a lathe or a jig with a saw or router.
supertrollr
Posted 7/21/2017 7:53 PM (#871071 - in reply to #870949)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?


rougarou - 7/21/2017 3:45 AM

are you are talking about eddie

awesome!
North of 8
Posted 7/22/2017 8:05 AM (#871100 - in reply to #871049)
Subject: RE: Glider Duplication?




PamuskEhunt - 7/21/2017 4:11 PM

If it's that consistent, it's either a duplicator on a lathe or a jig with a saw or router.


X2 on the duplicator on a mini-lathe
supertrollr
Posted 7/22/2017 9:31 AM (#871112 - in reply to #870816)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?


x3
adudeuknow
Posted 7/22/2017 1:06 PM (#871121 - in reply to #871071)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?





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Location: Beaver County, Pennsylvania
It's a flat bait.
Landonfish
Posted 7/22/2017 2:51 PM (#871129 - in reply to #870816)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?




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Do what I do. Make a stencil out of 1/4" plywood. Get the edges smoothed and shaped how you like. Use double sided tape and put it on the wood you want your lure made out of. Use a band saw o rough cut then use a router and and trace the sencil with it. I can pump out 15 baits and hour easy. I'm from western pa and don't know who your talking about
Tommis
Posted 7/22/2017 3:29 PM (#871130 - in reply to #871129)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?





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Location: Southwest PA
Landonfish - 7/22/2017 3:51 PM

I'm from western pa and don't know who your talking about


X2
North of 8
Posted 7/22/2017 4:05 PM (#871132 - in reply to #871121)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?




adudeuknow - 7/22/2017 1:06 PM

It's a flat bait.


If it is flat, then probably use a hard board template, 1/4" and after getting cut close with band or jig saw, attach the template with double sided tape and use a router bit designed to follow a template to finish cutting. They have the guide bearing at the top of the bit and it follows the template while the bit cuts.
I don't make lures but I do wood working and have used that technique for making duplicate pieces. works well with a little patience and a good, sharp bit. I put the wood on a no slip mat on the work bench and that held it in place while routing.
adudeuknow
Posted 7/22/2017 7:26 PM (#871154 - in reply to #871132)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?





Posts: 214


Location: Beaver County, Pennsylvania
North of 8 - 7/22/2017 5:05 PM

adudeuknow - 7/22/2017 1:06 PM

It's a flat bait.


If it is flat, then probably use a hard board template, 1/4" and after getting cut close with band or jig saw, attach the template with double sided tape and use a router bit designed to follow a template to finish cutting. They have the guide bearing at the top of the bit and it follows the template while the bit cuts.
I don't make lures but I do wood working and have used that technique for making duplicate pieces. works well with a little patience and a good, sharp bit. I put the wood on a no slip mat on the work bench and that held it in place while routing.


good deal. im not a lure builder YET but i do do a lot of wood working so i believe i have just about everything i need. my amana bits should handle a lure or two. hehe.

i appreciate all the replies fellas.
genesisperformance
Posted 7/23/2017 7:55 AM (#871180 - in reply to #870816)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?





Posts: 403


Location: Lakeville, MN
make them out of resin if you want them all to be identical. no inconsistencies like using wood.
supertrollr
Posted 7/23/2017 10:36 AM (#871192 - in reply to #870816)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?


do like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQLwXu6qTwI
flat bait is the easiest bait to make ad duplicate

Edited by supertrollr 7/23/2017 10:39 AM
FishingMarshall
Posted 7/25/2017 6:46 PM (#871528 - in reply to #870816)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?





Posts: 219


Location: Ohio
What do you guys use to cut that smile lip in the jerks?
Landonfish
Posted 7/26/2017 5:22 AM (#871570 - in reply to #870816)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?




Posts: 360


I used a hack saw to make my outside edge lines then take a dremil and remove the material inside. Probly faster ways but I don't make that many of them
supertrollr
Posted 7/27/2017 10:30 AM (#871780 - in reply to #870816)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?


do you do that after the lathe or before?do you use jig?
Landonfish
Posted 7/28/2017 10:48 AM (#871923 - in reply to #870816)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?




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After the large. I draw lines in the center and where I want the smile to end. Use the hacksaw to connect the dots
supertrollr
Posted 7/28/2017 11:51 AM (#871933 - in reply to #870816)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?


pict?
adudeuknow
Posted 7/29/2017 5:01 AM (#872015 - in reply to #870816)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?





Posts: 214


Location: Beaver County, Pennsylvania
you could create a jig on a table saw that keeps your bait at the angle you want for the lip depending on depth of lure.

for squirko and leopardi baits i am pretty certain this is how it's done.

i feel like the large chunk that creates the flat portion on the underside could be cut out prior to the lathe(but not necessary) and then the smile is cut out with a jig as well giving it that triangle appearance. they make make multiple passes or just use a dado stack.

i have never tried it but i am fairly certain i could create one of those. i am sure the guys that make a lot(leo's, squirko) use a lathe duplicator rather than a set of calipers but i'm not certain. i was not given the info from the lure maker when visiting. that room was off limits. lol. very hush hush

Edited by adudeuknow 7/29/2017 5:04 AM
adudeuknow
Posted 7/29/2017 5:23 AM (#872016 - in reply to #870949)
Subject: Re: Glider Duplication?





Posts: 214


Location: Beaver County, Pennsylvania
maybe you can share some insight on how it's done. hehe. i feel like i have an interest to try and whip one up over my 3 day weekend.

Edited by adudeuknow 7/29/2017 5:25 AM
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