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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | I've always just bought leaders and didn't up to much thought into it but I just ended up getting a spool of AFW knottable Surflon coated leader 90# and was wondering if it's any good for making leaders, and if so how to do it. Would I be better off just staying with the store bought leaders? Thanks. |
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Location: SE, WI. | Go to page 8 of this thread. Tie-able leader material. I think making your own, knowing what you have, is superior to any store bought leader!!! JD |
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | Thanks I'll look up how to do it on that thread but the material I have is good? I didn't buy it myself it was just given to me for free and I wasn't sure what it was. |
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | I wasn't able to find the thread. |
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| Look up lee tauchen knot. That's what I use with a bit of crazy glue and a flared tag using lighter.
I do not trust crimps and I tested a lot of leaders. Unless you know exactly how much pressure to crimp at u ego a run into premature line breakage. I apparently do not crimp well.
My tied leaders have never failed. I use 120#.
This may get ugly - last thread on this went on for quite a while. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | What Landry said, except I use 5 min epoxy and 100# or 130#. Never failed. |
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | I tried googleing lee's knot but I didn't find anything. Could someone plz post a instructional photo or video. Thanks! |
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Location: SE, WI. | Brought up your info....post right next to yours....Tieable wire. All AFW is good product whether coated or non- coated. All their stranded wire is tie-able. 7 strand, 19 strand, and 49 strand. JD |
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Location: On the water | Here is the knot: http://online.fliphtml5.com/uncx/jrxa/#p=3 |
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| It's actually a reverse nail knot, easily tied with a Tie-Fast knot tying tool. Get the Magnum size for tying large sizes of mono:
https://youtu.be/611JWRtkjOc
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Tie-Fast-Knot-Tying-Tool/711069.uts |
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Location: Hayward WI | Here's what I do with 130lb and 90lb uncoated 7 strand....
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/videos/10.05.2012/5518/-Strand.lead... |
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Location: Minnesota | I buy off the shelf leaders from thorn bros ,never had one fail yet. |
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Location: oconomowoc, wi | i buy Leaders and Lures.. #100 and #130 never a failure. try the pink flouro, really disappears in the water! |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Stealth Leaders for me
They are Crimped, Tied and Glued
Simply the Best !!!
Comes in any size and Lbs you want !!! |
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Location: MN | fishhawk50 - 4/30/2017 2:27 PM
i buy Leaders and Lures.. #100 and #130 never a failure. try the pink flouro, really disappears in the water!
Big fan of Leaders and Lures products, l'm starting to use more of the 49 strand leaders too. |
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Location: oconomowoc, wi | NathanH - 5/1/2017 9:54 AM
fishhawk50 - 4/30/2017 2:27 PM
i buy Leaders and Lures.. #100 and #130 never a failure. try the pink flouro, really disappears in the water!
Big fan of Leaders and Lures products, l'm starting to use more of the 49 strand leaders too.
and he started using stay-loks on the flouro's.. big plus! |
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Location: Northern Illinois | ...also a fan of split rings over snaps. |
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| Not sure why that knot is called the Lee Tauchen knot, saltwater folks been using that knot for decades. Whatever you want to call it, I'm not a big fan as that knot tightens down to the snap, swivel, whatever you're tying to = less play. I have used one of the most simple hoop knots for large mono and fluoro that I learned from a saltwater fisherman. The Homer Rhode. So simple (basically two overhand knots) but there are some little quirks to getting it right and getting a small hoop size. it leaves a nice loop and, IMO, provides more flexibility/play & action due to the loop versus being tight to the snap. Have not had one fail yet for me or friends, rock solid. I do add a drop of superglue to the knot and the tightening part is key to getting this knot right. Have used it for 80-200lb fluoro, no issues. No crimps but I did make a homemade jig which helps me tighten it down. |
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | How do the loop style knots work with wire? |
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Location: Pewaukee, WI | If you mean solid wire, then they don't. Use the haywire twist on those. The loop might work on tie-able wire though. |
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | Thanks everyone. JD I've been practicing a little with the two knots that were on the other thread. I've got the wire but what size swivels and snaps should I get? I'm going to get the stay-Lok snaps (if that matters). |
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Location: SE, WI. | Stay loks are good....I like a solid ring tied to line when using a solid wire. Cross- locks are good also in a #6....had a bad experience with the 9 size My creature leaders have a #5 mighty mini crane, tied right to jig. Solid ring ball bearing in a #4 or 5/ with my 49 strand leaders Should get you started... JD |
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| I'm a good knot tyer but for large diameter leaders (fluorocarbon and heavy stranded wire) I have come to prefer crimps. Why? Saltwater guys have used 'em forever without the kinds of issues you often hear about in freshwater forums.
The devil's in the details: You need a proper crimping too, not a pair of pliers. You need proper size and style of crimps, not just any old sleeve for everything. And you need to apply proper crimping techniques. None of this difficult but specific tools, materials and methods are required for success. Crimps, correctly installed, are not accidents waiting to happen. They are fast and efficient, durable and reliable connectors for leaders of all kinds.
I've always been curious about the need for crimping, knotting and gluing the same, singular connection. I have come to believe it is not that those folks don't know how to crimp or tie a proper knot. I'm pretty sure it's simply marketing to instill the belief that a connection failure is "impossible". Again, saltwater folks use nothing but a crimp and failures there are very few and far between.
If you're considering crimping here's a resource I used to get good at it: Crimping 101...
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| I make my own, and I like the wind-on knotless style. Admittedly it is a lot more work than just buying something off the shelf. |
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| Very easy. I tie my own # 80 fluorocarbon leaders. 1st I tie the Duolock Snap on with a simple clinch knot using only 3 loops (x3 is more than enough) or you'll screw it up. Then I tie a double uni-knot too tie the leader to the main braided line. Important: use only 3 loops for high test fluorocarbon uni-knot since it is very thick and unmalleable (more than 3 will reduce the integrity of the knot. As for the Braid I use 9 or even 10 loops for this uni knot. These methods haven't come loose or broken in >15 years. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Most commercial leaders are made by someone in a home doing it exactly the same way you would do it. It's not rocket science even I can make my own. I both tie and crimp ( not on same leader ) once I get over 150 lb I get better loops with crimps and a proper swager. I see a lot of leaders with the wrong crimps or crimped improperly. Tell a shark or tuna fisherman that crimps are no good. Go to a salt site and learn proper crimping or better yet get a good rigger to show you.
Tying and crimping both work when done correctly with a little care. For solid wire learn a proper haywire twist I've seen more than a few bad ones.
If you only use a few leaders a year nothing wrong with buying them just don't buy junk. |
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Location: Southwest PA | I feel I too need to speak on behalf of crimps. My job entails many crimps on 7x7 304s.s. cable and it is under constant load tension of 40lb for distances up to 75ft. More often than not, this tension gets instantly released every six months after initial install for the life of the product. There are multiple loop and crimp connections on any line and with the proper crimp and crimp tool, I have yet to see one fail. Proper tools and proper parts matter. I will be using my components and tools from work this year to make my own leaders and have full confidence in their being up to the task. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | single barrel and double barrel crimps use a different tool I'm not a fan of singles |
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Location: Minnesota. | erico - 4/30/2017 8:32 AM
Here's what I do with 130lb and 90lb uncoated 7 strand....
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/videos/10.05.2012/5518/-Strand.lead...
Can't fail with these. I used to do the same with thick coated wire (melted carefully ) - a bit hard to locate now - for over 20 yrs. Nary a fail!
May have to try this again. Thanks for the vid.!! |
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