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| Hi all, 21' Lund Boat weights 1850 # and is rated for 150-250 HP. Top speed is 60 MPH with 250 V-Rod, Do you thing 200 HP 6 cyl V-Rod is enought juice and how much speed loss going from 250-200 horses? Trying to save a few bucks.
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| With a 200 and a light fishing load it should break 50 mph. I'm assuming you know the drawbacks to the 4cyl vrod? The 6 is the way to go. So do you car to tell us the difference in $$, I keep hearing about potential resale being better/easier with max hp. To me the having more power and using less of the motor equals longer life. My 20' boat would work with a 150 as that's what they used back in the mid 90's but now I have a 250. Guess I'm saying a smaller motor with the correct prop will perform just fine |
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Location: one foot over the line | I'm looking at the 1875 and was thinking of putting a 150 on it to save a few bucks, but I came to my senses and decided the 200 would be the way to go. Would a 150 work? sure. Would a 200 work for that 2075? sure. However, when a person looks at the big picture, saving a few thousand dollars when we are already willing to commit to spending 10's of thousands, doesn't really make sense. Also, when it comes time to sell your used boat, having that 200 on it will not be attractive to many buyers. Plus, you'll never say to yourself that you wished you would have gotten a smaller motor. Not sure where you are from, but the local dealer near me has a 2075 with a 250 on it that i have been kicking the tires on, sweet rig with a reduced showroom price. I'm not personally looking for that big of a boat and think that the hole shot might suffer with anything under a 225. I also think that 65-70mph would be more likely for top speed with a 250. |
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| Hi Fish i most likely wont be selling the boat so i posted 6 cylinder 200 V rod for xtra torque. Instead of 4 cylinder .I would never buy a 200 HP 4 cylinder V rod with the V -Rod 6 cylinder giving you 50 % more torque and cubes plus 100 extra pounds but for longevity as I wont be selling it any time soon.Buddy has a 20 foot Prinecraft with 200 6 cyl V-rod and gets about 52 Mph!
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| Those 6 cyl are silky smooth and when you want to mess around after the warranty is up you can up the hp substantially for less than 1K |
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| Hull design plays into speed a lot! No load and low fuel with a 250 pushes 64 max. As I stated befor if full blown speed isn't your thing a 200 will work fine. Isn't a 6cyl $2400 more than the 4 cyl 200? 200 hp is a lot I had a warrior 2090 side console with a mariner 200efi and; 5 batteries 2 onboard chargers, 12' tallon, extra decking made from 3/4 plywood and a lot of tackle and it pushes 55 |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Hiya,
Chances are if you are looking at the same brand of motor, the 200 and the 250 are built on the same engine block with the same components, but with different settings for fuel management/output.
If memory serves me correctly, a manufacturer can put a HP number on the motor so long as it is making within 10% of that rating. So...with motors built with the same displacement, the lower HP model is most likely making over that Rated HP.. and the larger HP motor is making less...
In your case between a 200 and a 250, I would bet the 200 is probably running around 215 or so, and the 250 is running around 235. The difference being fuel management. The larger motor getting more HP from more fuel and maybe a little higher compression ratio.
I'm one who also believes in maxing out the HP on a boat as well, as the higher the HP, the better the low end torque you most likely will have. In this case, you would be looking at 80% of max HP, which is definitely a good possibility to work just fine. Propped correctly, the boats will be different by about 5mph as a very very rough estimate.
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| I'll throw in the 10% actual hp difference is true. Normally up tho. A 250 actually has 275 give or takes couple. And the block and components are the same with computer tweaks for more power however a hopped up race car will get rebuilt many times before the road version of an impala. So having a motor with the same block and less hp should have a longer life span if your not using all the power all the time. The easiest explanation to 10% over power is evenrude- 200, 225, 250 are all sold as a base and an HO model. He HO is 10% extra. They don't make the 300 as an HO tho. Optimax vs optimax pro xs... Same diff. Better reed valves... Extra power. |
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Location: Tomahawk,Wis | Max it out now.. You will not be sorry.. |
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Location: Madison, WI | If that hull only weighs 1850# I'm sure the 200 will be more than enough. I have a Skeeter mx1825 single console and it weighs 1875#. My Yamaha F150 pushes that boat 50 mph so a 200 will not be underpowering that hull at all. To me, if the boat can get out of the hole quick and has a nice cruising speed why pay the extra thousands of dollars for 3-5 mph more? |
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| Well I understand saving the cash but I think the 6% more on price to avoid second guessing would be worth it for me. |
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Location: With my son on the water | One more thing to consider (from the a Merc Engineer in charge of engine development)
On engines with the same block size Example (Merc Opti 75,90, 115) the power curves are all the same until the higher RPMS. Meaning with like applications the hole shot is exactly the same, the only difference is realized on the top end because (like Steve said) the fuel is managed differently.
I am not exactly sure what motors you are considering but this is something to keep in mind.
But for me, I always max it out. (Boats are toys so save your money until you can pay for what you want).
Have a good day.
Brad
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Location: Minocqua, WI | I certainly agree with the max hp for when it comes to resale value and agree with everything else that's been said. However, I came to a different conclusion that fit me personally. Last year, I bought the pro v bass 1875 and was deciding between the 150 and 200 Verado Mercury. I spoke to a ton of people and got lots of opinions before making my decision. I went with the 150 Merc and am really pleased so far.
I don't have a mechanical backround so I spoke to a lot of others who did. There was a consensus with the dealers and mechanics I spoke with, as well as others on this board, that the 200 Verado was a much more advanced motor and with that brings potential service issues and higher maintenance costs. It has a electronic computer board on it. Of course early on that would be under warranty anyways, but I was thinking long term. The larger the motor, the worse the gas mileage as well and that cost adds up. I hear the 200 is a gas hog. I am real happy with my fuel mileage on the 150. I am able to hit 47mph with two guys and a fully loaded boat. That is plenty for my recreational fishing. The Verado I've heard can hit over 60, but that's in a bare boat with 1 guy. I have no first hand experience in it or no how fast it would go with two guys and a full load.
So when I listed the pros/cons I ended up with this:
200 Verado - Definite plus on the "cool" factor, 5k more, Estimated 5mph faster, Gas hog, potentially higher maintenance costs.
150 HP - Save 5k, great fuel mileage, standard maintenance costs, a little slower, but can still hit 47mph.
Again, I'm not discounting anything anyone has said on this thread as I agree with all of it. I'm just providing another perspective. With that said, if performance is important to the buyer and you go with the slower motor, you'll most likely always wish you had the bigger motor and will upgrade eventually anyways:) So whatever you decide, get what you want and be happy! Then go fishing!!!
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| Not sure why people are talking about comparing engines with the same block size...Mercury Verado website says the 200hp is a 1.7l 4cylinder, while the 225 and 250 are 2.6l v6...NOT the same block.
maybe the older verado 200 and 250 or some of the other merc's were/are on the same block? I know my 200 yamaha ox66 is the same block as the 225 and 250, but not in this case.
I have spoken with a couple friends who have compared different block-size engines on the same boat--a 150 v4 versus a 200 v6 for instance--and said the larger engine actually got BETTER fuel economy because they were able to run it at the most efficient rpm range more often. Not sure if 4-strokes typically being a bit less torqe-y and with a different power curve than 2-strokes are the same, but food for thought.
resale value--is it really a higher resale value, or is it the same % of a lower original retail price? I'm sure you wont shrink your pool of willing buyers by maxing out HP but I've never been too sure about the resale thing. Assuming a reasonable HP for the boat, it seems to me that condition will make far more of a difference in resale than 50hp.
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | I didn't know the original post was talking about a verado. V-rod to me is the style of the engine block not being inline... and being the original post was talking about two different motors both 6 cylinder, most likely puts them on the same engine block...
Steve
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| Didnt realize vrod was an engine type--everyone I know refers to Mercury Verado's as v-rods, so that's what I thought was being referred to. Sounds like theres some confusion above either way with half the posters referring to verados and half something else. |
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| Last I looked there is a inline 4 200hp verodo and a inline 6 verodo 200hp. The 6 clylander would be about 2500$ more than the 4 cylander. But was superior.
https://www.mercurymarine.com/en/us/engines/outboard/verado/pro-four...
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| copy that, thanks for pointing out--it's the verado pro that comes in a v6 200 versus the regular verado 200 which only comes in a 4-cyl, I had not seen that. |
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