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fishdawg
Posted 2/18/2017 11:49 AM (#850257)
Subject: Hot Water




Posts: 69


Location: Phoenixville, PA
Another sixty degree day in February. Feels like spring. 2017 is endanger of being the hottest year ever. It could break the record set in 2016, which broke the record of 2015, which broke the record set in 2014.

Is there a point those of us on the southern edge of the musky range should be concerned? There are already many weeks of the summer in which the water temps are too high to fish. How hot does it have to get before our favorite toothy creature can't live around here anymore? I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but aren't they worth asking?
kap
Posted 2/18/2017 6:35 PM (#850291 - in reply to #850257)
Subject: Re: Hot Water




Posts: 536


Location: deephaven mn
we have experienced tullibee die offs on mid minnesota lakes do to high water temps, a few years back when water temps got to be 80 plus on twin cities lakes the DNR did temp testing down to 40 feet deep and found temp to be same all the way down. however oxygen levels remained in acceptable status. can the fish adapt to these conditions? So far so good.
the possibility of high temps effecting fish populations does exist in my opinion
muddymusky
Posted 2/18/2017 7:33 PM (#850296 - in reply to #850257)
Subject: RE: Hot Water




Posts: 560


fishdawg - 2/18/2017 11:49 AM

Another sixty degree day in February. Feels like spring. 2017 is endanger of being the hottest year ever. It could break the record set in 2016, which broke the record of 2015, which broke the record set in 2014.

Is there a point those of us on the southern edge of the musky range should be concerned? There are already many weeks of the summer in which the water temps are too high to fish. How hot does it have to get before our favorite toothy creature can't live around here anymore? I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but aren't they worth asking?


Hello, I don't think you have anything to worry about. Just don't fish for them when the surface temps are 80F and above at daybreak.
Musky_Mo16
Posted 2/18/2017 7:43 PM (#850297 - in reply to #850257)
Subject: Re: Hot Water




Posts: 735


Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't
I've never been more concerned about global warming. Take the polar bears, but PLEASE leave the muskies!!!
Fishysam
Posted 2/19/2017 10:56 AM (#850331 - in reply to #850297)
Subject: Re: Hot Water




Posts: 1209


Musky_Mo16 - 2/18/2017 7:43 PM

I've never been more concerned about global warming. Take the polar bears, but PLEASE leave the muskies!!!


This is good stuff
North of 8
Posted 2/21/2017 12:07 PM (#850599 - in reply to #850257)
Subject: Re: Hot Water




There was a recent study published by MN DNR biologists that linked poor reproduction in walleyes to small increases in overall water temps. The same study indicated better reproduction and survival for large mouth bass in the same bodies of water. Wonder whether the warmer weather will impact the muskie reproduction. Part of the issue as I understood it was that with the higher success for large mouth, they fed on the walleye fry.
KARLOUTDOORS
Posted 2/21/2017 12:35 PM (#850602 - in reply to #850599)
Subject: Re: Hot Water





Posts: 956


Location: Home of the 2016 World Series Champion Cubs
North of 8 - 2/21/2017 12:07 PM
Part of the issue as I understood it was that with the higher success for large mouth, they fed on the walleye fry.


"No More Bass" Where do I sign the petition? They're eating all of our walleye!!

Edited by KARLOUTDOORS 2/21/2017 12:37 PM
KARLOUTDOORS
Posted 2/21/2017 12:43 PM (#850604 - in reply to #850599)
Subject: Re: Hot Water





Posts: 956


Location: Home of the 2016 World Series Champion Cubs
North of 8 - 2/21/2017 12:07 PM

There was a recent study published by MN DNR biologists that linked poor reproduction in walleyes to small increases in overall water temps.


But seriously, I'd like to see where the reproduction numbers fall off. The waters still provide the favorable spawning temps spring the spring time as the waters warm annually. Is the prime temp window too short now adays due to a more rapid spring temperature climb or is the the temp too high for fingerlings during the peak summer times?
wisskie
Posted 2/21/2017 12:50 PM (#850605 - in reply to #850257)
Subject: Re: Hot Water


Somebody should get out there and teach these muskies to eat bass!!!
North of 8
Posted 2/21/2017 12:56 PM (#850606 - in reply to #850604)
Subject: Re: Hot Water




KARLOUTDOORS - 2/21/2017 12:43 PM

North of 8 - 2/21/2017 12:07 PM

There was a recent study published by MN DNR biologists that linked poor reproduction in walleyes to small increases in overall water temps.


But seriously, I'd like to see where the reproduction numbers fall off. The waters still provide the favorable spawning temps spring the spring time as the waters warm annually. Is the prime temp window too short now adays due to a more rapid spring temperature climb or is the the temp too high for fingerlings during the peak summer times?

As I understood the study, more needs to be done to pin point the problem. They apparently know that walleyes have a narrower window relative to temperature for successful reproduction but more needs to be done in terms of study, eliminating other variables. The chain I live on saw a dramatic drop in walleye numbers in the last decade. Some pointed fingers at over fishing, native spearing (40 fish in 5 years), warming of waters, but I think it was a result of a six year drought that saw the ground water in Oneida County WI drop by almost 4 feet. The marshes that feed the three creeks that flow into our chain all but dried up. That is where the walleye went to spawn and the marshes were almost dry, even in spring. The Winnebago system is that largest walleye ecosystem in WI and the fishermen know the state of the upriver marshes on the Wolf river has the greatest impact on reproduction.
esoxaddict
Posted 2/21/2017 6:52 PM (#850641 - in reply to #850257)
Subject: Re: Hot Water





Posts: 8717


I've definitely noticed an upswing in the numbers and size of LMB in N WI over the last decade or so. If you want a voracious predator, there's your fish. I enjoy catching them. I also enjoy eating them. Figure I'm doing my part to help the walleye and muskie survive to adulthood...
cincinnati
Posted 2/22/2017 8:44 AM (#850685 - in reply to #850641)
Subject: Re: Hot Water




Posts: 1120


Location: West Chester, OH
Our lake has seen a noticeable dip in LMB & a catastrophic decline in the bluegill population. The lake association has actually purchased bluegills.

At the same time, crappie have boomed & bass guys are now catching walleye, particularly on live bait. A resident reports walleye spawning along his frontage.
JakeStCroixSkis
Posted 2/22/2017 1:05 PM (#850716 - in reply to #850257)
Subject: Re: Hot Water





Posts: 1425


Location: St. Lawrence River
This last summer was remarkably warm for me I had no choice but to fish only the big river by about late July/first of August.
muskyman1122
Posted 2/24/2017 12:42 PM (#850948 - in reply to #850257)
Subject: RE: Hot Water




Posts: 162


There was a 3-4 week period in SE Wisconsin where it was over 80 degree water temp. Had to put the musky sticks down and go for walleye. Hoping for cooler weather this year but is not looking that way.
curleytail
Posted 3/2/2017 11:20 AM (#851802 - in reply to #850257)
Subject: RE: Hot Water




Posts: 2687


Location: Hayward, WI
Our weather has been odd to say the least this fall and winter. However, I would not already plan on a hot water summer. More than once have we had an "early" spring followed by a mild to cool summer. Basically it seems that we can't count on the seasons being "normal" as much as we did years ago.
North of 8
Posted 3/2/2017 11:27 AM (#851804 - in reply to #850257)
Subject: Re: Hot Water




Talk about odd weather, Antarctica hit an all time high of 63 degrees yesterday. That ought to get the ice melting.
Reelwise
Posted 3/2/2017 12:42 PM (#851820 - in reply to #850257)
Subject: Re: Hot Water




Posts: 1636


Muskellunge can survive in water over 90 degrees.

A closed season during the summer... should be talked about when it comes to the southern states - in my opinion.

I would vote yes - close the season for 3 months during the warmest months of the season.

I would vote no if more people vote no due to the idea that some people simply want to go fishing for Muskellunge without the idea that they will be recorded by video - and slandered online if caught fishing when the water is 80 degrees or more... let alone approaching that mark and hanging in high 70's for more than 24 hours.
travelingfisherman
Posted 3/2/2017 6:54 PM (#851923 - in reply to #851804)
Subject: Re: Hot Water




Posts: 105


Location: Florida
North of 8 - 3/2/2017 11:27 AM

Talk about odd weather, Antarctica hit an all time high of 63 degrees yesterday. That ought to get the ice melting.


I read about that yesterday and it shocking to say the least. Down here in South Florida we have had several +85 degree days in Febuary, which is well above normal. Its looking like its going to be a hot summer if this weather pattern continues.
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