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Location: Knot on the WATER | Hoping some one out there can help as advice,
Ordering a new 2017 FS21, Verado pro300, I have always had kickers on all my last few VS Fisherman boats, debating the new 12' dual Talons in place of the kicker, will have the Ultera as my trolling motor. Dual Talons compared to kicker is a wash at cost. Wondering can you keep the boarding ladder with the install? And any positive advice on anyone having Talons? I worry I fish off the rear deck getting in the way, especially when you get a 50 on, they own there route around the boat at times, worried in being in the way. Any info appreciated. Thanks.. |
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Location: Tinley Park, IL | I'd much rather have a kicker than a 2nd Talon. I have 1 Talon and I love that I can put the kicker on or off depending on use for that day. And the negative of having just 1 shallow water anchor are overrated. You learn how to position your boat with just 1 Talon. Even if I didn't want to put a kicker on, I wouldn't get a 2nd Talon since I don't think it is worth the cost. |
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Location: Minneconia | I'm still trying to figure out how to mount one of em on my 620FS with Vrod no jackplate with kicker but still keep ladder. Haven't seen it done yet. If you can figure it out please share photos. |
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Location: Otsego, MN | With your ulterra and spot lock I would keep the kicker. Muskie fishing I don't think you'll need to be that locked down with two Talons unless maybe your on a river. That kicker can be a sense of relief if your ever on big water and your big motor goes down. |
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| Dual tallons for me. But I don't want or use a kicker. As far as mounting and keeping the ladder it should all be easy to do. I don't think I've ever felt like the anchors would be in my way, maybe a 10 year old sure... |
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Location: Minneconia | It's not easy to do and keep full use of the ladder...in fact I haven't seen it done on an FS yet. |
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Location: MN | Dirt Esox - 1/14/2017 5:08 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how to mount one of em on my 620FS with Vrod no jackplate with kicker but still keep ladder. Haven't seen it done yet. If you can figure it out please share photos.
There is a bracket called the "sandwich bracket" that will mount between the engine and transom. This brancket is identical to the jackplate bracket except for how it attaches to the boat. The bracket also includes a spacer block for the opposite side of the engine if only installing one bracket/Talon. See attached pictures
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Location: Minneconia | Yeah I've looked at that. The two issues are:
Mercury explicitly says no sandwich brackets with their motors
This still renders the boarding ladder useless when there is a kicker on the other side. |
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Location: Knot on the WATER | all, appreciate the input, I have only a few days left to when I have to decide. Ive had some feed back from those who like theres, and some who wouldn't have them again. Still undecided, but your input was considered very helpfull. I have to weigh my plus's from my woes and decide soon. |
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Location: Eagan, MN | Congrats on being in a position to purchase such a dream rig! With that said, I'd go kicker for sure. As a musky guy, one shallow water anchor should be enough. The kicker is both a safety and versatility feature, allowing you not only to get home if something happens to your big motor but also available for when you want to troll or maybe even take a quiet evening put-put cruise with friends or family. In lieu of the ladder, use the trim/tilt on your big motor to get you back in the boat in the event of an accidental dunking. |
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| There are products that attach to a tallon to add an emergency ladder. First link.
http://www.bbcboards.net/showthread.php?t=735283
http://www.bbcboards.net/showthread.php?t=755595
The second link is a sweet light I would use rather than the pole in the aft of the boat. I don't know nor care if it would work for people who have to have coast guard checks.... |
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Location: Knot on the WATER | Just want to relay to all, a big thanks for taking the time in replying. I did decide to go with the kicker (Port side) With a 12' Talon on the starboard side. Thank. you all. |
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| Its your boat rig it how you want. I have my boat with a kicker and boarding ladder and I like that if I want to stay positioned I push anchorlock on my Minnkota Terrarova trolling motor. |
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Location: Minneconia | Please share a photo of the rigging when you get the boat, thanks! |
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Location: Knot on the WATER | will post a pict soon as I get it. SBj42, yes I did think a lot about that, but my old boat did have a ultera with spot lock, on windy days yes it does sway of a few feet, and on trying to rebound it always swings your boat position due to wind etc, with the talon at least on wind points I will have the boat positioned without the swinging around, heard some fisherman deploy there talon also with spot lock to hold close to exact boat position, will find out soon I hope.Thanks all |
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Location: Knot on the WATER | Finally received my boat, picture with the Talon with the Boarding ladder. |
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Location: Minneconia | No pic? |
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| mtcook16 - 1/16/2017 8:58 AM
Dirt Esox - 1/14/2017 5:08 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how to mount one of em on my 620FS with Vrod no jackplate with kicker but still keep ladder. Haven't seen it done yet. If you can figure it out please share photos.
There is a bracket called the "sandwich bracket" that will mount between the engine and transom. This brancket is identical to the jackplate bracket except for how it attaches to the boat. The bracket also includes a spacer block for the opposite side of the engine if only installing one bracket/Talon. See attached pictures
Do you guys think you could mount a small kicker motor to a bracket like these brackets for the Talons? Like a 5hp or max a 9.9?? |
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| The brackets are very stoudt and n use it will be fine with 9.9 hp wide open, it's the weight while running the big motor that will with out doubt bend it... |
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