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Location: deephaven mn | Is it possible that stocking new lakes with Muskies that the pressure on the existing Muskie lake will diminish?
if it is i would think other lake association would be pro stocking new Muskie lakes to re leave pressure on the lake they reside. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | castmaster - 4/8/2016 4:31 PM
Pointerpride102 - 4/8/2016 7:51 AM
jonnysled - 4/8/2016 7:48 AM
Pointerpride102 - 4/8/2016 7:41 AM
jonnysled - 4/8/2016 7:02 AM
jvlast15 - 4/8/2016 6:56 AM
^^ But as has been stated before, there are thousands of walleye lakes. Stocking walleyes does not significantly increase pressure, and they have been doing that for years now anyway. Creating a new musky lake would create a lot more pressure, because there are less musky lakes so divide all of the musky anglers.
i'm in agreement with you. i don't buy into the notion that the defense by the homeowners to muskies is part of a ploy to take their lake private. the area is similar to ours and depends on tourism. does anyone really think that blocking tourism is going to fly in the Brainerd area?
I don't know, there has been someone fairly vocal about the lack of need for tourism in the Minoqua area.....
that someone works out of his house and in Honduras and doesn't depend on tourism to make a living. if our town was a third its size i'd be happy, but i generally don't like people and don't get much traction in the legislature.
I bet if you made a few million more dollars, your traction would improve!
Even better, I bet if he was a State Legislator he would get some traction. By George he may even have the authority to write his very own Bill. On top of that he might even find some of his "coworkers" are willing to trade votes with him to ensure everyone's pet Bills pass.
For anyone that has an open mind and wants to get a better picture of things, I'd encourage you to google search Gull Lake MN Resorts. Take a look at what's promoted. See how many resort websites have a fishing report. How many have pictures of fish, or fishermen/women. Then see how many talk a lot about fine dining, world class golf courses, spas, water skiing etc.
friends of mine use this guide and he is outstanding ... gull is on our list for next winter. your theory reads good, but it doesn't hold water.
http://www.walleyedan.com |
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Location: Hastings, mn, 55033 | jonnysled - 4/7/2016 12:27 PM
Where are the Musky guys who care so much about Mille Lacs just down the road? Now, I agree that misinformation is what it is but it is information. Information from any source gives life to opinion and the opinion of Muskies to general fishermen and lake home owners is not what you believe it should be. But the example is you come in big and leave a wake behind you when you leave town for the next frontier.
According to what I saw with my own eyes a lot of those "musky guys" are still there, at least the MN guys. Additionally, in talking to several resort owners all of them were really happy the musky and smallmouth anglers still patronized their businesses even after the vitriol some directed their way.
Now where did all those civic minded "walleye guys" go? Seems they are the ones who took off for bluer waters. Where is all their concern for those businesses?
You have also talked about the "bad attitude" of "musky guys". We must fish very different places and know very different people. In my experiences the "walleye guys" are louder and more party oriented than "musky guys". Hell some of the stuff I witnessed anchored among the slip bobber flotillas on Mille Lacs would make George Carlin blush.
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Location: Hastings, mn, 55033 | jonnysled - 4/8/2016 5:11 PM
castmaster - 4/8/2016 4:31 PM
Pointerpride102 - 4/8/2016 7:51 AM
jonnysled - 4/8/2016 7:48 AM
Pointerpride102 - 4/8/2016 7:41 AM
jonnysled - 4/8/2016 7:02 AM
jvlast15 - 4/8/2016 6:56 AM
^^ But as has been stated before, there are thousands of walleye lakes. Stocking walleyes does not significantly increase pressure, and they have been doing that for years now anyway. Creating a new musky lake would create a lot more pressure, because there are less musky lakes so divide all of the musky anglers.
i'm in agreement with you. i don't buy into the notion that the defense by the homeowners to muskies is part of a ploy to take their lake private. the area is similar to ours and depends on tourism. does anyone really think that blocking tourism is going to fly in the Brainerd area?
I don't know, there has been someone fairly vocal about the lack of need for tourism in the Minoqua area.....
that someone works out of his house and in Honduras and doesn't depend on tourism to make a living. if our town was a third its size i'd be happy, but i generally don't like people and don't get much traction in the legislature.
I bet if you made a few million more dollars, your traction would improve!
Even better, I bet if he was a State Legislator he would get some traction. By George he may even have the authority to write his very own Bill. On top of that he might even find some of his "coworkers" are willing to trade votes with him to ensure everyone's pet Bills pass.
For anyone that has an open mind and wants to get a better picture of things, I'd encourage you to google search Gull Lake MN Resorts. Take a look at what's promoted. See how many resort websites have a fishing report. How many have pictures of fish, or fishermen/women. Then see how many talk a lot about fine dining, world class golf courses, spas, water skiing etc.
friends of mine use this guide and he is outstanding ... gull is on our list for next winter. your theory reads good, but it doesn't hold water.
http://www.walleyedan.com
Yep, totally wrong I am...
http://www.maddens.com/sem-homepage.html?gclid=CICCi4KJgMwCFQusaQod...
http://www.craguns.com/
Probably the 2 most popular resorts on the lake. Clearly cater to the fishing crowd. 
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| Have we contacted the big fishing companies in the midwest? Like Pure Fishing/Abu Garcia, Crestliner, Lund, Ranger, Alumacraft, mercury marine, Shimano, Johnson outdoors, Lowrance, or st croix rods? What's their involvement in this? |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | tolle141 - 4/8/2016 11:30 PM
Have we contacted the big fishing companies in the midwest? Like Pure Fishing/Abu Garcia, Crestliner, Lund, Ranger, Alumacraft, mercury marine, Shimano, Johnson outdoors, Lowrance, or st croix rods? What's their involvement in this?
they sell walleye stuff too ... |
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| At the expo it would have been nice if the lines to some of the booths that had all the info on the issues were has long has the lines to some of the lure booths. We would have a big army. |
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Location: Hastings, mn, 55033 | jonnysled - 4/9/2016 7:33 AM
tolle141 - 4/8/2016 11:30 PM
Have we contacted the big fishing companies in the midwest? Like Pure Fishing/Abu Garcia, Crestliner, Lund, Ranger, Alumacraft, mercury marine, Shimano, Johnson outdoors, Lowrance, or st croix rods? What's their involvement in this?
they sell walleye stuff too ...
They do? You sure? And the "walleye guys" haven't put them out of business yet for the traitorous act of manufacturing and selling musky stuff? |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | nice to see this ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=338TH_pwiAI |
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Location: Hastings, mn, 55033 | Something I haven't seen mentioned, although I may have missed it, is that the Co-Author to this Bill, Rep. Gunther dropped his name/support from the bill. He did this at the suggestion of two sportsman's groups. I would venture a guess that those were not muskie oriented groups who got him to change his mind.
PS Here's a couple more lodging options for you Gull Lake trip Sled. Granted the golf courses will probably be closed for the winter, but the spas should still be open!
http://www.grandviewlodge.com/ (A guy just KNOWS he's at a fishing oriented resort when the home page has a big banner for "Golf Opener 2016" and not a single mention of the fishing opener!)
http://quarterdeckresort.com/ ( Probably the most fishing oriented if the "Big 4" resorts on Gull, but I would say its a stretch to call it the resorts primary focus)
Just an heads up, you may want to contact them and ask about fish cleaning facilities. |
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That's a good one indeed. Hopefully Al followed it up with a phone call reminding the legislator(s) that his following includes a big number of MN voters. |
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Location: Hastings, mn, 55033 | dfkiii - 4/9/2016 9:05 AM
That's a good one indeed. Hopefully Al followed it up with a phone call reminding the legislator (s ) that his following includes a big number of MN voters.
Of course his "following" will plummet once the "Walleye Guys" find out about this.
Right Sled??? |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | hopefully he'll build some bridges and help the Musky off of the island ... |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | castmaster - 4/9/2016 9:07 AM
dfkiii - 4/9/2016 9:05 AM
That's a good one indeed. Hopefully Al followed it up with a phone call reminding the legislator (s ) that his following includes a big number of MN voters.
Of course his "following" will plummet once the "Walleye Guys" find out about this.
Right Sled???
It's interesting how some fishermen believe the world revolves around "their" fish, isn't it ?
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| Where is this bill at? |
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Location: North St. Paul, MN | Here is the response I got from my representative that voted to STOP any sort of new stocking...seems the "fear mongering" got to him! yikes...
"Thank you for contacting me about this issue. I understand your concern about musky stocking. However, it is important that that we maintain the population of other species in the waters and do not disrupt the current ecosystem in Minnesota lakes."
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Location: MN | muskyroller - 5/18/2016 11:50 AM
Here is the response I got from my representative that voted to STOP any sort of new stocking...seems the "fear mongering" got to him! yikes...
"Thank you for contacting me about this issue. I understand your concern about musky stocking. However, it is important that that we maintain the population of other species in the waters and do not disrupt the current ecosystem in Minnesota lakes."
I guess your representative doesn't believe the biologists that are hired by the state. |
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| Can we get a list of everyone that voted and how they voted?
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Location: US | http://www.senate.leg.state.mn.us/journals/2015-2016/20160427089.pd...
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Location: North St. Paul, MN | Nershi - 5/18/2016 12:25 PM
muskyroller - 5/18/2016 11:50 AM
Here is the response I got from my representative that voted to STOP any sort of new stocking...seems the "fear mongering" got to him! yikes...
"Thank you for contacting me about this issue. I understand your concern about musky stocking. However, it is important that that we maintain the population of other species in the waters and do not disrupt the current ecosystem in Minnesota lakes."
I guess your representative doesn't believe the biologists that are hired by the state.
Here's my response back...
Chuck,
I'm upset you fell for the fear mongering that has been displayed by those in favor of this bill. There is no science behind any of these claims of "disruption to the current ecosystem." In fact the DNR and the actual science that has been done, proves otherwise. Populations of all game fish are helped by the addition of apex predators to the environment.
Not only limiting fishing opportunities for outdoors-men in our state you've set a precedent for private groups to establish legislature on public waters.
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I'm confused by this, according to this there were only 10 nays, but on facebook it was posted that this was passed by only 1 vote. What am I missing? |
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Location: Alex or Alek? | That was the Senate vote. I haven't seen a list for the house vote yet. |
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RED DOT to the right of their name means they voted against muskie stocking.
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Location: Ashland WI | muskyroller - 5/18/2016 2:54 PM
Nershi - 5/18/2016 12:25 PM
muskyroller - 5/18/2016 11:50 AM
Here is the response I got from my representative that voted to STOP any sort of new stocking...seems the "fear mongering" got to him! yikes...
"Thank you for contacting me about this issue. I understand your concern about musky stocking. However, it is important that that we maintain the population of other species in the waters and do not disrupt the current ecosystem in Minnesota lakes."
I guess your representative doesn't believe the biologists that are hired by the state.
Here's my response back...
Chuck,
I'm upset you fell for the fear mongering that has been displayed by those in favor of this bill. There is no science behind any of these claims of "disruption to the current ecosystem." In fact the DNR and the actual science that has been done, proves otherwise. Populations of all game fish are helped by the addition of apex predators to the environment.
Not only limiting fishing opportunities for outdoors-men in our state you've set a precedent for private groups to establish legislature on public waters.
I like your response. Did he answer you yet? |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | We had the last House vote by 10 and then they left the board open and went around getting people to flip.
There's a chance we can kill it today so cross your fingers. |
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Location: Aurora | I can't quite get my thumb incorporated.
Did you mean all of them?
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Location: MN | Go get 'em Shawn and John |
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Location: St Paul, Minnesota | Muskie Treats - 5/19/2016 8:09 AM
We had the last House vote by 10 and then they left the board open and went around getting people to flip.
There's a chance we can kill it today so cross your fingers.
Get'em Shawn!!
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| bloodlight where did you get that list? THere is no record on "mybills" of a vote on SF2793 in the House? |
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