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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I love Jerry's answers. MN will miss that guy.
http://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/09/28/muskie-walleye |
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Location: MN | Where's he going? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Going Salt according to his Facebook update. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | the musky movement needs a political advisor ... |
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| This perception which is common among walleye anglers really frustrates me as a walleye angler myself. Clearly it's the record number of yellow perch that is making the walleye fishing difficult. These people aren't intelligent enough or are just too stubborn to admit that the predators they love to hate (muskies and smallmouth) are actually helping them by keeping bait fish populations in check. The logical thought process of some of these anglers "if I drag around live bait and don't catch fish then they must not be there". Jerry is spot on and I these people would be better off saving the lawyer fees and spending their money on a guide.
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| The same guy who says:
"They've gotta use scientific data and they've gotta use facts and they have to be straightforward and honest with people," he said. "We just don't believe they've been straightforward with us."
Then goes on to say:
"We have people reporting a muskie laying under a dock. Sitting there like an alligator under a dock," he said. "And with the clear water you see 'em under there. Ask your granddaughter to go dangle her toes in the lake when you've got a 5-foot fish under the dock."
So the DNR must use facts and scientific data (obviously, and they've done it and are working to do it more) to prove that muskies are not hurting other gamefish populations. Meanwhile he himself uses stupid emotional anecdotes and hypotheticals to support his movement.
I wish the DNR would just ignore people like this. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | jaultman - 9/28/2015 10:47 AM
I wish the DNR would just ignore people like this.
it's a sign of the times and no different than any of the other nonsense happening in the world today. fundamentally people are stupid, but if you call em for what they are then you are going to get nowhere, unless you are just doing it on a message board for entertainment value. |
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| Fished with Jerry this year and he had some interesting comments about some guy that lives on the lake that kills any muskie he catches. I wonder if it was this guy in the article, He also had an interesting opinion on how the zebra mussels got into the lake. In his opinion they didn't ride in on a boat or trailer.
If you are headed to the Florida Keys this winter and want to go tarpon fishing look him up cause that's where he said he would be. |
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| While Jerry's answers may be true, I think it may just create more tension to the folks in the area. Sometimes its better to not say what's truly on ones mind. |
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| Why are the best walleye fisheries typically lakes that have a healthy population of muskies?
I often wonder if the lake associations and the people that complain about muskies are really just using the walleye excuse when the real reason they dislike muskies is because they attract musky anglers to "their" lake.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Baby Mallard - 9/28/2015 11:04 AM
While Jerry's answers may be true, I think it may just create more tension to the folks in the area. Sometimes its better to not say what's truly on ones mind.
yup |
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| Sondag = Fabulous |
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Location: Minnesota | esoxaddict - 9/28/2015 11:09 AM I often wonder if the lake associations and the people that complain about muskies are really just using the walleye excuse when the real reason they dislike muskies is because they attract musky anglers to "their" lake. I think this is likely the biggest reason.... they don't want you and I on "their" lake. I like how the responsible lakeshore owner cares so much about the lake that he mows it as close as he can to the edge of the bank. Just proves to me that he wants what he wants and won't listen to anyone else about anything. |
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| jonnysled - 9/28/2015 11:12 AM
Baby Mallard - 9/28/2015 11:04 AM
While Jerry's answers may be true, I think it may just create more tension to the folks in the area. Sometimes its better to not say what's truly on ones mind.
yup
As much as I’d normally agree with you, I think the situation with MN walleye guys has gotten this bad. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The Minnesota back troller truly is their own breed altogether. “Facts”? “logic”? “science”? “data”? all hog wash as far as they’re concerned. If "science" doesn’t place all the blame for declining walleye catch rates on anything but angling pressure and shifting lake ecology it will fall on deaf ears. Mr Sondag’s comments may sound temperamental, but they're bang on and, (sadly at this point) need to be heard. |
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| jonnysled - 9/28/2015 11:12 AM
Baby Mallard - 9/28/2015 11:04 AM
While Jerry's answers may be true, I think it may just create more tension to the folks in the area. Sometimes its better to not say what's truly on ones mind.
yup
Might as well say what's on your mind these old blue hairs aren't going to change their minds at this point. They can go ahead and sell there place then. No one is going to miss you.
I e-mailed the fisheries biologist in the area and his response to this issue while well calculated left me with no doubt that these anti-muskie zealots aren't going to sway musky management in the area in any meaningful way.
Edited by Cfollow 9/28/2015 12:35 PM
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Location: Smith Creek | North Dakota has some pretty easy walleye fishing and not much for muskies. They should all move there.
It could be the next great Norwegian migration. |
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Location: US | It should be easy for any scientific study to show the muskies don't eat 1.6 million walleye every year. I say let them spend their money on it. |
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| Flambeauski - 9/28/2015 12:43 PM
North Dakota has some pretty easy walleye fishing and not much for muskies. They should all move there.
It could be the next great Norwegian migration.
They're already on their way. I've heard a couple of walleye guy's around here planning their first Devils Lake run this winter. The number of MN boats in Sodak is also rising quickly. |
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| Agreed ^^^^^ |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Just imagine yourself as a fisheries manager dealing with all of this. Makes it that much more difficult to do the job.
Distractions also cost money. None of the agencies are really rolling in that resource. I thought Jerry 'threw some poo', and hit the target dead center. Will it do any good?
Probably not, but the entertainment value for us as serious muskie AND walleye anglers is tremendous. |
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| This will go.public,,,and when it does we HAvE to show up at the meeting,,not donate not send emails but put our butts in seats. The dnr is an audience too we need to show up and show we want this. Decisions are made by those that show up,,not the way it should be but true . |
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| I tend not to believe anyone who can't compare 1.6 million to 800 and figure out something other than muskies is eating all the walleyes. But then he also thinks there are 5 foot fish under docks everywhere, too, just waiting for someone to put their feet in the water.
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| Not just anybody!
little girls! |
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| This is an ugly situation and going to get uglier (going political)...there are facts and the MNDNR has been very accommodating to a very small group of individuals...I have been involved with this from the beginning and it doesn't matter what facts/information that is provided...this group will ignore it. This group doesn't not want muskies in Pelican Lake...and the reason is much deeper than "they hurt the fishery". They want less people using "their" lake...that is the bottom line! |
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Location: Minnesota | Majkrzak isn't satisfied with any of answers the DNR provides. "They've gotta use scientific data and they've gotta use facts and they have to be straightforward and honest with people," he said. "We just don't believe they've been straightforward with us."
The DNR could plop down 5,000 pages of absolute irrefutable scientific evidence conducted by Jesus and notarized by God in front of this guy and it wouldn't change his mind. He would just call them a bunch of eggheads who don't know the lake or spend any time on the water.
All we can do is wait for he and his ilk to move to Florida or kick the bucket. |
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| Last I heard, LOTW has a very healthy walleye population and a lot of muskies.
They may be on the right track with the water clarity. I remember hearing that when zebra mussels provided more clear water on Winnebago, fishermen had to modify their methods. |
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Location: Minnesota. | Unbelievable isn't it! Ignorance and self-appointed opinions firmed up by the old boys over their coffee clutches/conversations feed much of the fact that walleyes aren't always simple to find and catch. Especially if all those muskies are eating so many 'eyes. (cough, cough) And that "their lake" rings familiar. I live close to 'Tonka.
You can't fix stupid, much less alter opinions that aren't based in fact.
Oh, and if anyone knows of a good lake home for sale up there please let .... ah, nevermind, I'd never afford it. But I'd love to! Might me lonely fishing though. I'd like that!
Jeremy.
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| Amazing how folks readily believe what some joker sitting on a bar stool says over the knowledge of people who likely have an advanced degree and make their living at it every day. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | All I know is I'm never swimming in Pelican again! |
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Location: oswego, il | Hooker nailed it, muskie butts need to be at the lake association meeting and their voice heard. These meetings are public. I went to a couple Barbee lame chain meetings back in the day to see what it was all about. Don't go to one meeting keep people going to keep countering their voice. One of the clubs out there run a signup sheet.
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