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BNelson
Posted 12/18/2014 9:56 AM (#744636 - in reply to #743790)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats





Location: Contrarian Island
"really aggressive pricing" ? ok yah, a new 620 comes in over 70k fully loaded... which puts it out of reach for 99% of the anglers on the water...for 70k I'd rather go buy a new Range Rover...

I agree a "new" 690 w max hp at 175 and in the 40k range would be a sweet rig and put it within reach of a lot more guys....


Edited by BNelson 12/18/2014 9:58 AM
missourimuskyhunter
Posted 12/18/2014 10:15 AM (#744639 - in reply to #743959)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats





Posts: 1316


Location: Lebanon,Mo
sworrall - 12/13/2014 10:25 AM

Actually, from a business standpoint (and that's what this acquisition is all about) BPS IS the 'Mercedes' of the fishing boat world. The numbers are impressive.

A point many are missing, Tracker Boats didn't buy Ranger, Stratos and Triton, Nitro didn't buy them...Bass Pro did. HUGE difference.


Numbers impressive...Yes! Tracker is pushing about 50 boats A DAY out of the factory here in Lebanon...and started working on 2016 models a month ago.
Zib
Posted 12/18/2014 1:37 PM (#744659 - in reply to #743916)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats





Posts: 1405


Location: Detroit River

kap - 12/12/2014 6:37 PM Kevin Van Dam might now fish out of a Ranger

 

KVD stated a dew days ago on his FB page that he would NOT be going over to a Ranger as a result of the change in ownership. 

achotrod
Posted 12/18/2014 2:48 PM (#744669 - in reply to #743790)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats





Posts: 1283


Must say I have a 20yr old nitro and its a great boat, the new Nitros are light years nicer then my boat. I dont think quality will change at all for the higher end boats, prob improve if anything.
sworrall
Posted 12/18/2014 7:55 PM (#744702 - in reply to #743790)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats





Posts: 32761


Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Once again, the Ranger facility remains in Arkansas, Ranger remains independently run, and not much will change for the time being.
BenR
Posted 12/18/2014 9:33 PM (#744709 - in reply to #744702)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats


sworrall - 12/18/2014 7:55 PM

Once again, the Ranger facility remains in Arkansas, Ranger remains independently run, and not much will change for the time being.


If they reach margins bass pro expects, things might remain the same past the time being.
Sunshine
Posted 12/19/2014 4:36 AM (#744728 - in reply to #744709)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats





Location: Waukesha, WI, USA
IF these %s are even close to right this means thanks to its purchase of Ranger/Stratos/Triton, Johnny/Bass Pro Shops now owns about 70% of the bass boat market. Doubt there's been a majority like that since Forrest started the whole thing back in the day. Seriously...huge.

1) Ranger Percent market share 30%
2) Nitro, Percent market share < 25%
3) Skeeter Percent market share 17%
4) Triton Percent market share 8%
5) Phoenix Percent market share 6%
6) BassCat Percent market share 4%
7) Stratos Percent market share <4%
9) Legend Percent market share 2%
10) Blazer Percent market share <1%
M Winther
Posted 12/19/2014 7:49 AM (#744743 - in reply to #743790)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats




competition is good for consumers.
this?
jonnysled
Posted 12/19/2014 8:39 AM (#744748 - in reply to #744743)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats





Posts: 13688


Location: minocqua, wi.
BPS owns Skeeter too? that one surprised me. also thought BassCat was still an independent ...
missourimuskyhunter
Posted 12/19/2014 9:26 AM (#744753 - in reply to #744748)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats





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Location: Lebanon,Mo
jonnysled - 12/19/2014 8:39 AM

BPS owns Skeeter too? that one surprised me. also thought BassCat was still an independent ...


Skeeter?? Im confused on this....my paycheck comes from Skeeter DBA G3 Boats Yamaha Boat Company..
jonnysled
Posted 12/19/2014 9:47 AM (#744756 - in reply to #744753)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats





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Location: minocqua, wi.
missourimuskyhunter - 12/19/2014 9:26 AM

jonnysled - 12/19/2014 8:39 AM

BPS owns Skeeter too? that one surprised me. also thought BassCat was still an independent ...


Skeeter?? Im confused on this....my paycheck comes from Skeeter DBA G3 Boats Yamaha Boat Company..


i misread the post above assuming that was a BPS group, but it was the industry breakout.
Wisconsin Wade
Posted 12/19/2014 11:02 AM (#744773 - in reply to #744756)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats




Posts: 194


Location: Lincolnshire, IL
I see a few guys asking for an "updated" version of the 690/692 w/175.
Wouldn't that be the 1880 Angler? Granted the beam is wider but I am curious as to how it would fall short of the 690 in other features. It can be ordered with a single console if that is your style. While it doesn't have the rear side boxes in the back(which I think is great), the casting deck is larger and with all the after-market products available, it would certainly be easy to customize the back to your fishing style. Hulls differ a bit but having been on Green Bay in the older Rangers and the 1860/1880 the difference is negligible IMHO. I suppose giving the slight edge to 690 in the real rough stuff because of the narrower beam. $40K price point? Maybe?

As far as the new ownership? It is a simple wait and see, but then I am not that brand loyal. Had a Tuffy, Triton and 2 Rangers given the right deal/future need who knows what is next.

Edited by Wisconsin Wade 12/19/2014 11:04 AM
jakejusa
Posted 12/19/2014 3:09 PM (#744805 - in reply to #743790)
Subject: RE: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats




Posts: 994


Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan!
Earl Benz had a strong influence on Stratos after he left Triton to the good hands people. BPS should be able to take A boat line beyond where we are now to the next level. No center consoles or drastic designs that basically do not add performance. Step up hulls in the 25' range for freshwater crafts perhaps. Front decks with seating options so you have the space available to use, etc... I see it as a good deal all the way around. Dealer networks are dealer networks, just so the new Superman of Boat companies doesn't decide to make their dealerships become Stealerships.
jonnysled
Posted 12/19/2014 4:16 PM (#744813 - in reply to #743790)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats





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Location: minocqua, wi.
Center Consoles add performance for the applications they are designed for and for some they aren't ... and Ranger has a full line-up of them that are fantastic boats.
kap
Posted 12/19/2014 8:34 PM (#744827 - in reply to #744813)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats




Posts: 533


Location: deephaven mn
$70 grand ......just to much

i asked a high volume ranger dealer if i could get a 618 T hull made into a consule
he called and the answer was no
skeeter came out with that model 5 years later the MX1825
sworrall
Posted 12/19/2014 11:48 PM (#744842 - in reply to #744743)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats





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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
M Winther - 12/19/2014 7:49 AM

competition is good for consumers.
this?


What makes you think these brands will not compete?
M Winther
Posted 12/21/2014 2:33 PM (#744965 - in reply to #744842)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats




sworrall - 12/19/2014 11:48 PM
M Winther - 12/19/2014 7:49 AM competition is good for consumers. this?
What makes you think these brands will not compete?

When one company owns 70% of a market segment, competition is reduced. The Feds just disallowed a purchase that would have created a similar ownership percentage in the beer industry for competitive reasons. This isn't boating or even fishing boats, just bass boats so it's not a whole industry; that said, it's worth wondering about possible impacts on consumers (such as higher prices), and not just how wonderful it is for BPS.

sworrall
Posted 12/21/2014 2:56 PM (#744966 - in reply to #744965)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats





Posts: 32761


Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Higher prices on a Ranger? Doubt it.
M Winther
Posted 12/21/2014 3:56 PM (#744979 - in reply to #744966)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats




Higher prices on a Ranger? Doubt it.

Don't know what will or won't happen, just saying it's worth considering various angles on something like this, including the impact on consumers. There may be cost-savings related to shared production and marketing costs. At the same time, more competition leads to innovation and cost advantages for consumers, that's basic economics. So it's not off the wall to raise an inquisitive eyebrow and look at both sides when moves like this occur.

Ranger may be the exception, since it doesn't really have an apples-to-apples competing brand within the new group (besides maybe Triton), and it does have legitimate competitors from outside the new BPS family in both the bass and deep-v boat markets. Of course, it will be very interesting to see the impact when Nitros and Rangers are on the same showroom floor at BPS retail dealerships (and those Nitros are dang nice boats at a good price). KVD says he's sticking with Nitro, but like everything else with this move the promises of "staying the same" are all followed by the caveat, "for now."

Looking instead at the entry- and mid-level bass boat market, that's an awful big share all under one ownership group now. For example, Stratos offers small bass boats specifically designed, marketed, and priced to compete with Tracker's dominance of that entry segment. What happens here? Will this change lead to more features, options, incentives and discounts, or less? Or, will prices go even lower and pull buyers away from independent regional brands?


sworrall
Posted 12/21/2014 4:30 PM (#744984 - in reply to #743790)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats





Posts: 32761


Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
KVD isn't 'staying with Nitro' on the level most folks would perceive the statement. It's far more complicated than a simple sponsorship. IF the sale goes through, I don't see Ranger Boats in some dealerships they are sold in now, and do not see them in many dealerships where Tracker is sold, either.

Stratos may remain as is for the foreseeable future, holding the market share they do isn't a bad thing with the independent dealerships they have in place.

And, BPS has announced the brands will remain independent anyway.
Jerry Newman
Posted 12/22/2014 3:53 PM (#745077 - in reply to #744966)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats




Location: 31

sworrall - 12/21/2014 2:56 PM Higher prices on a Ranger? Doubt it.

Haha, good one!

Top H2O
Posted 12/22/2014 7:59 PM (#745124 - in reply to #745077)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats




Posts: 4080


Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion
Higher/Highest prices in this Market will Always be a Ranger Thing..... Prices will always go higher with them.
Market Demand and Non Union Labor will no doubt push Ranger's prices UP^
Personally, I think BPS is a good fit for Ranger. Only time will tell...... Don't expect them to drop their Pricing though.

Jerome
jonnysled
Posted 12/23/2014 6:01 AM (#745147 - in reply to #745124)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats





Posts: 13688


Location: minocqua, wi.
please tell me how non-union labor is a guarantee for pushing pricing UP? LOL ... wake up from your brainwashing, Holy Crappola talk about an unfounded statement.
Top H2O
Posted 12/23/2014 8:23 AM (#745158 - in reply to #745147)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats




Posts: 4080


Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion
As a union contractor, who works in the South (Right to work States) a few times a year, I will tell you that our Profit margins are usually higher than most of our jobs in Union States. Fact.
Ranger is in the best possible area of the country to maximize their Profits. their Prices aren't going to fall anytime soon unless they cut out some Product Quality, which is very unlikely..... after all, they are Ranger.
Sorry if this wasn't conveyed better MR. Sled.
jonnysled
Posted 12/23/2014 8:50 AM (#745162 - in reply to #745158)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats





Posts: 13688


Location: minocqua, wi.
as a M&A and P&L manager of multiple business in manufacturing with experience with both union and non-union shops, i can tell you with confidence that you sound like a union contractor.
jonnysled
Posted 12/23/2014 8:53 AM (#745163 - in reply to #743790)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats





Posts: 13688


Location: minocqua, wi.
ask Mercury Marine about their experience with manufacturing costs of union shop in fond du lac, wi. vs. oklahoma city, ok. ... and how and what was done to keep them home vs. heading "south" to a non-union environment. that one was a classic and really enjoyed seeing it play out ...
Propster
Posted 12/23/2014 3:48 PM (#745205 - in reply to #743790)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats




Posts: 1901


Location: MN
Agreed. No way union labor builds them cheaper or more efficiently
achotrod
Posted 1/20/2015 9:39 PM (#749641 - in reply to #743790)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats





Posts: 1283


Just got my Cabelas 15 brochure and they are selling Rangers....
smalljaw
Posted 1/27/2015 9:52 AM (#750533 - in reply to #749641)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats




Posts: 206


Cabelas is selling Stratos and Ranger for now... that will change at some point.

Maybe Cabelas should now pick up Tuffy at their stores nationwide ~
71mercman
Posted 1/28/2015 6:25 AM (#750637 - in reply to #743790)
Subject: Re: Bass Pro Buys Ranger Boats





Location: Altoona IA
Why would that necessarily change? If you owned a company, wouldnt you want your product to be in as many quality outlets as possible? If you owned a retail company, wouldnt you want to sell a desirable product that appeals to your core customer? Are Sony TV's sold in only one store?
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