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More Muskie Fishing -> Modern Day Muskellunge Record Keeping Program -> More Spray records coffin nails
 
Message Subject: More Spray records coffin nails
Jerry Newman
Posted 3/12/2017 11:21 PM (#853140 - in reply to #853088)
Subject: Re: More Spray records coffin nails




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Jim Munday - 3/12/2017 4:04 PM I suppose in the big, big picture of world-wide issues the accuracy of Musky world records don’t matter all that much. But then again neither do a thousand other things. But for those who value the hobby of Musky fishing and things related as important to them, it has its time and place. Larry just happens to someone who is particularly passionate about it, as both a historian and an accomplished angler. We could vote on the Grand Puba status, I suppose. But I respect the man quite a bit even without the title, and he’s taken a lot of personal flack for presenting his case. Steve W. seems to be a fairly cranial guy, and apparently considers the matter worth a measure of discussion year after year. Me…I’m as flawed as the next guy and have no desires to be anybody’s moral conscience in life. Yet there’s something about what seems to be an intentional effort to deceive the public for political and monetary gain that bugs me. So I appreciate Larry’s passion and Steve’s willingness to provide a forum for the subject matter on occasions. It’s always a risk to share your perspectives on this volatile matter, because you just may find your post highlighted in another guy’s rebuttal later on. But such is the nature of discussion. ;)

Bravo - well said; from my seat here guys like Spray only helped to dupe a generation of muskie fisherman and perpetuate an unobtainable size expectation (25 years ago it was gospel that they regularly got above 60lbs).  Although some may still want to romance the cheaters, it’s my opinion that they simply did for muskie fishing what Lance Armstrong did for the Tour de France.

I think it's fair to say that Armstrong created a lot of excitement and new interest while setting his records along the lines of Spray. The difference between Armstrong’s and Spray’s muskie abominations is that Armstrong was completely stripped of his records, while Spray is still being paraded around and celebrated by John Dettloff and Emmett Brown of the “Hayward” Freshwater Fishing Hall of Fame.

Dettloff and Brown's continued support of this absurdity while being at the helm of a organization charged with keeping fair and accurate fishing records makes them just as guilty as Spray, and about as honorable as Lance Armstrong in my book.

Mudpuppy asked “why” Larry Ramsell should be the Grand Pubah of muskie records… I say “why not”? Seriously, would you rather have John Dettloff be in charge again now that his bias and lies have been exposed, same with Emmett Brown who is probably having his morning cup of coffee while reading this. I bet he just shrugs his shoulders and goes back to business as usual with no regard for the truth.

 




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Pike Master
Posted 3/12/2017 11:55 PM (#853141 - in reply to #853052)
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Location: Sakatchewan,Canada
esoxaddict - 3/12/2017 12:12 PM

I'd venture to say that a pre - spawn fish, living in the right environment, with a full belly, could tip the scales at 70#. Somewhere like Green Bay, The Ottawa River, maybe even Eagle or Lac Seul. But you're talking about THE biggest fish in the lake, during a time when it has a maximum egg mass and has just finished a giant meal, during a time of year when the season is closed. That same fish, hungry, during the season? Not sure, but I can't imagine it being much over 50#.

Now... Let's talk about 50#. That's a fish that does not exist in great numbers anywhere and does not exist at all throughout most of their range. Looking at the weight calculators, it's easy to see why. Here are a few length/girth combinations that would theoretically get you over 50#:

52"x28"
55"x27"
58"x26.5"

Lots of girth measurements get tossed around out there, but even on the longest fish of 55 and up are closer to 22"-23". Every once in a great while someone gets a super fatty with a girth of 25"-26". But check the big fish pictures here. You'll be hard pressed to find a legitimate 50# fish. That's a fish of a lifetime for someone who has dedicated a lifetime to fishing for them, and doing so in a place known to produce giant fish.

Not saying it's impossible. But it's not going to happen in July, and it's not going to happen in Hayward.


You left out the number one water for a 70lber...Georgian Bay! Mille Lacs also deserves to be mentioned
ESOX Maniac
Posted 3/13/2017 9:39 AM (#853164 - in reply to #853141)
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Posted 3/13/2017 9:46 AM (#853168 - in reply to #853140)
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Location: Sawyer County, WI
Jerry Newman - 3/12/2017 11:21 PM
Seriously, would you rather have John Dettloff be in charge again now that his bias and lies have been exposed, same with Emmett Brown who is probably having his morning cup of coffee while reading this. I bet he just shrugs his shoulders and goes back to business as usual with no regard for the truth.


There seems to be a strengthening trend in the USA to purvey “alternative facts” in an attempt to support whatever line of BS you're trying to sell. Through simple observation of these two characters, we can see that the brand of BS isn’t limited to elected officials in the highest of offices. There are more than enough people who are gullible enough to buy what they are selling.

Why do they do it ? You guessed it. $$$$$…
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