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| Williamson fish may not have been sterile,No one knows
The gonads were never verified by officials
It was a healthy 17 year old that was happy
Most species abort their eggs,very few species absorb their eggs in exception of dogs.
The absorption of eggs by fish has never been observed or documented in my looking's in scientific documentation.
A fish can support a 28 inch girth with air in the swim bladder just as much as a full belly and not weigh the same
The swim bladder does not necessarily collapse after mortality,in some case it remains inflated hours after.It all depends on how the fish is manipulated and kept,whether in water or on ice and amount of air.Keeping the fish in a cool state slows the degradation and collapse of internal organs.
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| A fish can support a 28 inch girth with air in the swim bladder just as much as a full belly and not weigh the same Good thing I didn't go to the bank... 
Edited by JRedig 11/16/2009 8:40 AM
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| The fish used to develop the 800 formula were all dead with collapsed air bladders. To apply the 800 formula to a live release, the expanded air bladder needs to be accounted for with a reduction in girth. It doesn't really matter how long it takes, every swim bladder will eventually collapse after the fish dies.
By chance Martin Williamson called me this morning and I asked him specifically about his fish being sterile. He said that was the first he heard about that, he said he sent the guts to Castleman so maybe ask him.
It's fascinating to me that at 64 ½ years old Martin is still out there plugging away at the old haunts... released six fish they figured went over 30 pounds this year. Over the weekend they released a 50 x 28” that he speculated was a male. The reason he speculated (with a chuckle) was because they can now look for it's female running mate!
Edited by Jerry Newman 11/16/2009 11:10 AM
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| Editor's Note, the following is an excerpt from a portion of a deleted post:
"You mean to tell me that Martin Williamson sent the guts of his fish to John Casselman and yet he never found out anything about it?"
Jerry's Answer:
I didn't say that! My only comment was that he never heard anything about his fish being sterile. Four or five years ago he sent me a copy of the letter that Casselman sent to him regarding his fish. The letter contained a lot of information, nothing about the fish being sterile though. |
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| guest - 11/7/2009 10:49 AM "Isn't the bottom line here that girth isn't really the deciding factor on weight, but rather that stomach content is? A fish with a 28 inch girth doesn't necessarily have a full belly..." A fish with a 28 inch girth with an empty stomach wouldn't have a 28" girth with a full belly and you can take that to the bank. Guest a reminder of what you said and what I said. Due to the air bladder, what you said in this quote could be FALSE, it depends on each individual fish and the circumstances it's in when caught.
A fish with an inflated air bladder could have a 28 inch girth on an empty stomach and the same fish could have a 28 inch girth with a full stomach and it would be heavier. Or maybe it has a partially inflated air bladder and a partially full stomach and it gets a 28 inch girth that way and has yet another weight. What if it has a belly full of 3 cisco's or 20 smaller perch? Which weighs more? Girth is a misleading way to judge weight accurately.
Edited by JRedig 11/16/2009 1:23 PM
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| JRedig,
A fish with 28" girth with a FULL belly will weigh close to the SAME as a fish with a 28" girth and an empty belly as the girth in each case is comprised of almost all meat. An empty belly contributes very little to the girth. A fish with a 28" girth and an empty belly has a lot more "meat" above the belly than one with this same girth with a full stomach.
If you want to argue about an inflated air bladder you must remember that you are talking only about live fish and in that case they ALL have air in them to some degree. This could cause a weight variation but only in LIVE fish. This is why the 800 weight formula needs to be adjusted if you want to use it on live releases.
The only way girth could be misleading as a weight indicator is if we are talking about live fish. On dead fish it's quite reliable.
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| Why doesn't Mr. Casselman share the information he found about the Williamson fish with everyone? Probably because he didn't learn anything from it. It's also interesting to learn that Martin Williamson sent the guts instead of having Mr. Casselman remove them himself. I supposed this doesn't mean anything either? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | How about you call Dr. Casselman and ask, instead of suggestings some sort of 'conspiracy theory'?
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