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| You see a variety of levels of location disclosure on fishing shows. Some shows only give the name of the state, some specify region of the state/province, some even name the lake, and some get as explicit as a certain bay, etc. I'm fine with all the above (as long as they don't explicitly divulge "my spot").
But what about false claims of location? I recently watched a show that said they were on Lake A. Once in the episode they referenced a lakemaster map to show what types of spots they were fishing. That map was of a different lake, Lake B. Later, they focused the camera on their sonar/chart (while fishing) to show how they were working a particular spot. That spot, too, was on Lake B, but far away from the structure map they showed earlier of an area on Lake B. So either they weren't fishing on Lake A at all, or they really were, but went through the trouble of showing spots on their Humminbird from Lake B.
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Location: Detroit River | A lot of the segments that shows them demonstrating the sonar units are shot at a different time or location & are added in to the show. It's done to inform the viewer on how useful a sonar can be as a great tool to your fishing success & to help sell their sponsor's product. They're not doing it to show you where to fish on that particular body of water. I watched an episode of one show (filmed on LSC) where they caught a musky but the shots where they cut away from the fish to focus on one of the other guys in the boat that was talking were actually shots filmed on a different part of the lake. I think they did this to protect the "spot" that they were fishing in. I'm in favor of this & wish other shows would do the same. I've seen other low budget shows that don't have a dedicated camera man so they don't even attempt to hide were they are fishing & as a result that spot is now overrun on LSC. |
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Location: oswego, il | Nobody wants to name lake names, not on tv, not on this thread not even a lake that goes off the stocking list due to spearing. They are all lake x. Many times you can figure it out with what is given.
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Location: WI | I have been trying to find a lake map of lake x. You would think for all the fish caught there someone would make a map. It's over by lake of the woods right? |
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Location: central Wisconsin | What show(s) are you talking about? |
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Location: Minnesota | I here you. Keyes outdoors some shows he tell what lake others he don't. I'm from MN and when he fishes mille lac lake he shows just a little bit of the shore line so I know right where he its fishing. Just like when he fishes LSC. I have no clue where he is fishing but if you fish the lake I bet you know where he is at. Other shows do it to i have old in fisherman videos when they fish mill lace lake they showshow Indian point in a lot of the shots . They all do it. I just comes down to whether you fish the lake or not. |
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Location: Walker, MN | I know of one local show (not muskies) where they almost always try to throw you off their scent. Naming the wrong county or saying a lake tops out at 35' when I know for a fact it is only 25' deep. I really don't blame them, especially if they are on small waters. |
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| Yep the whole thing has gotten way out of control. I would really enjoy seeing a show or talking to someone about musky fishing that is not trying to sell you something or promote a location.
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| I totally agree with Bryan and Juhas !! |
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| My opinion is that if you don't want to name the lake, don't name the lake! No need to go through the trouble of pretending to be somewhere else. |
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Location: Money, PA | bryantukkah - 4/6/2014 3:17 AM
Who cares.
I agree with this! |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | This thread is really very entertaining, it reconfirms my faith in human stupidity. I really don't blame Mike Keyes or others who produce these programs, as I don't think their intent should be to give you spots or specific lakes to fish! If you really watch these programs for that kind of information you are a very poor muskie fisherman, and if you need that kind of information my guess would be you couldn't find your donkey if I superglued your left hand to it!
I understand why the guides and well known muskie fisherman are very reluctant to share specifics about locations or lakes, what they are really sharing are techniques and insight into muskie fishing. Use those, go out there and find your own lake & fish or better yet, just sit at home & complain on a internet website..... because they won't have to deal with you following them around.
I fished the Petenwell Muskie Challenge every year up untill the end, and I would often see Mike Keye's on the water, even prefishing.. We would always greet each other and continue on our merry ways.. neither he or I were interested in whose spots or lake it was, I wasn't following him, neither was he following me. Maybe we just think alike? Actually, we were just fishing. When we got off the water at the registration meeting or banquet or awards, we'd shake hands and exchange information. I still miss that tournament.
When someone is on a spot I want to fish I give it a wide berth and continue on my merry way. Actually when fishing if I can see another boat, its getting crowded. I've had people watch me catch trophy walleyes in Canada and then move in on me, they even watched us with binoculars and changed their jigs to the same color we were using. They radio'd their buddies and another boat pulled into the bay 10 minutes later. Both boats fished for ~ 30 minutes more and finally left the bay. They were using the wrong jigs and presentation. Every time we caught a fish we would whoop & holler, then hold it up so they could clearly see it, and then release it in full view. They were usually less than 50yds from us. We probably caught & released + 10 big walleye's in the 30 minutes they were both there, and both boats never caught a fish the entire time they were in the bay. It was great fun!
I see the same thing in the ice fishing or muskie world or even saltwater world. Most folks couldn't find their donkey with their hand superglued to it. Recently while hospitalized, I watched Hot Tuna on National Geographic channel. Talk about a bunch of ego's, spying on each other and following each other around. It was entertaining. LOL
The internet didn't ruin fishing, it just reveals the worst in some people. Actually this thread is a sad indicator of how most view muskie fishing shows, e.g. lots of penile envy! I agree with bryantukkah. "Who cares!"
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| ESOX Maniac - 4/7/2014 9:51 AM
This thread is really very entertaining, it reconfirms my faith in human stupidity.
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Actually this thread is a sad indicator of how most view muskie fishing shows, e.g. lots of penile envy! I agree with bryantukkah. "Who cares!"
I don't see penile envy in the thread at all. I don't even see any complaining. How is human stupidity evident in this thread?
And how did it seem fitting to brag about out-fishing a bunch of copycats in Canada?
I'll say it for the third or fourth time - when fishing shows don't say where they're fishing, great. When they do say, great. I think most people feel that way. There's no need to lie about where you're fishing. Just say, or don't. |
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| I think we can all agree that we won't care if they disclose location on fishing shows unless it is a spot or lake that you/I fish on a regular basis. Most fishermen are like a herd of sheep, they follow each other around doing the same thing... |
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| I think it's entirely appropriate to give a whole lot of latitude to people who are trying to make a living. You've always had guides yelling at the top of their lungs that their fishery was the best and most exciting in the world. Naturally, when you finally get there, you are often told, "If only you could have been here yesterday...the fish were jumping into the boat!" Lake homeowners who think the guides a bringing customers to THEIR lake aren't happy with the hype. People who are putting on a fishing show are often brought to a lake by a resort owner who very much wants all the publicity for a great bite that he can get. Naturally, the same is true with the local guides they fish with. To me, the most important part of all this is that it's just business, just people trying to make a living. More importantly, it's entertainment, just television where complexions aren't as smooth as they look, breasts not as big as they look. I fish Pewaukee Lake where you have to wait 45 minutes in line to fish the same four hundred feet of shore that 60 other guys just pounded to death. That's life! I can tell you where Lake X is: it's in Alaska! |
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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | I think the guys doing TV shows have allot invested. If they do something to "protect" waters for future shoots I cannot blame them. Look at Dance he did the ponds and stocked them now his studios are chock full of four lb Bass. If they want to let it out that is their business, but any tournament bass or walleye fisherman will have stories about their "honey hole" used in a tournament and within a year or two destroyed by pressure and harvest. I darn near have those stories every year now just with light guiding. |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | jaultman - 4/7/2014 10:10 AM
ESOX Maniac - 4/7/2014 9:51 AM
This thread is really very entertaining, it reconfirms my faith in human stupidity.
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Actually this thread is a sad indicator of how most view muskie fishing shows, e.g. lots of penile envy! I agree with bryantukkah. "Who cares!"
I don't see penile envy in the thread at all. I don't even see any complaining. How is human stupidity evident in this thread?
And how did it seem fitting to brag about out-fishing a bunch of copycats in Canada?
I'll say it for the third or fourth time - when fishing shows don't say where they're fishing, great. When they do say, great. I think most people feel that way. There's no need to lie about where you're fishing. Just say, or don't.
Yeah, right no envy or complaining in this thread. I bragged about it to prove that being a copycat or chasing someone elses lakes or spots will likely backfire on you. Learn to find fish, then fish! I really don't care what lake they are fishing or what spots, because its highly unlikely I will ever fish that lake..... Maybe I'm weird? I'm in it for the hunt, I like to find my own lakes and spots. Sometimes, I share them, sometimes not! |
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Location: The desert | Brady080 - 4/6/2014 5:46 AM
internet ruined fishing
I'm sure you'll be donating all your tackle, boat, etc. To a kid who still enjoys fishing, since it is ruined for you, right? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Brady080 - 4/6/2014 6:46 AM
internet ruined fishing
Said a guy on the internet.
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| I used to think differently about this. Now I realize that the guys who are looking to shows (or others) for insight on where to fish, and how, and with what really aren't much of a threat. Bringing a lot of publicity to a small unknown fishery can certainly be a detriment. But the people who know of and fish those lakes are smart enough to keep them quiet. We all go through a phase where we want to put up every fish and tell every story and give every detail to boast our accomplishments. Seems like that wears off for mo0st, and unless you have a guide business or a product to sell, most people go on to just silently catching their fish and only telling the stories when they are particularly interesting or unusual.
There's only one way to become a better angler. Like anything else in this world, the books and the shows and the internet can be of great value. But going out there day after day and putting fish in the boat is something you will only be able to do consistently by going out there and doing it, and figuring out what went right and what went wrong today. From there, it's a matter of applying that to tomorrow or next week, or next month or next year. There are few secret lakes and few secret spots. Those lucky enough to have found them aren't likely to ruin them by shouting it from the rooftops.
The followers? Yeah, we've seen it. People watching with binoculars from across the lake, and moving onto a spot right after we left, throwing the same lures. Hmph. We went on to another area of the lake and caught fish there, after having burned out the fish we saw on the first spot. It's a 300 acre lake. Anybody who fishes it will eventually figure it out, or they will give up and go somewhere else.
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| I think if you have found a successful combination to catch fish anywhere, especially canada where people have invested some money to be there, you can either share that success with others so that they can enjoy the trip as well OR should quietly celebrate and mind your own. Isn't feeling the satisfaction of catching fish and knowing you outfished them enough? By holding up the fish to them to make sure they see it, then bragging and belittling them on forums, you are no better then they are for moving in on 'your' spot.
As for the original topic. I agree with most others.. If its a bigger body of water that can handle pressure and they want to promote a lake, resort, or guide service, feel free to say it on air.. at the same time, if you want to protect the location and not give out the spot, that's fine too... Just don't LIE about it. I know I'd be a little upset if a well respected fisherman was sharing techniques and said that this is all happening on X lake... Looking for a place to go, we are intrigued and book a trip and spend thousands of dollars to come there, only to find out he was actually on Y lake. To me, that's not right. Say it or don't say it, just don't lie about it.
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| Surely not like I'm gonna sell the secret to the Russians, Sometimes I tell my girls... to bad you aren't on the radio... Then i could turn you off !! When the show is misleading or too stealthy... I turn it off ! Like said, WHO CARES ! |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | FishFinder87 - 4/7/2014 1:12 PM
I think if you have found a successful combination to catch fish anywhere, especially canada where people have invested some money to be there, you can either share that success with others so that they can enjoy the trip as well OR should quietly celebrate and mind your own. Isn't feeling the satisfaction of catching fish and knowing you outfished them enough? By holding up the fish to them to make sure they see it, then bragging and belittling them on forums, you are no better then they are for moving in on your' spot.
I really don't get your convoluted thinking. I was minding my own........ They came blasting into a small cabbage bay (~5 acres 1-8FOW) on the far end of the smaller lake in a connected 2 lake system (6240 acres & 2450 acres) - we were ~ 12 miles from the resort on the larger lake (only one resort), The smaller lake has a native village and a campground. I took off at first light to get there and had to travel though a connecting outlet stream. We had been fishing ~45 minutes on a beautiful dead calm peaceful morning when they came blasting into the bay. Their boat coasted 1/3 the way into the bay and they could clearly see us from a 1/2 mile away. Should I have been happy? Not!
They watched us with binoclulars everytime we caught a fish, and a few times they were less than 50yds away. I don't mind sharing spots if you're civil about it, but these retards had no regards for us. I have invested thousands of dollars to fish this Canadian lake for trophy walleyes. I also have never kept a trophy walleye on either lake. That doesn't mean I have to share anything with them or you because you payed money to get there too. I don't own the water, but I expect common courtesy on the water. I also have never kept a trophy walleye on either lake.
I really don't care about your opinion of me. Did I belittle them here? Certainly. If you behave like they did, I would have also have the same disdain for you.
BTW: I do freely share with people who don't offend me.
Back to the topic at hand. If you go somewhere solely based on information in a TV fishing show, you really should expect dismal failure. But, yes lies about the lake or spots is not good.... But, I think its good that the honest ones are sharing what they are willing to with everyone. It is a business also and provides for their familes. I don't expect any fishing show TV host to point out specific structure on a lake map... or even say the spot. I'm more interested in the technical aspects.
I do really like to see others catch fish, especially if you're in my boat.
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| How much different is print media? Muskie anglers consume as much info as they possibly can so we've all read the same magazine articles. We've also evolved into a culture of instant gratification not patient enough to wait for a quality dinner when we can get the #1, #2, #3, etc. combo. With the last one there are many who will succumb to chasing after a bite on a particular lake or be seduced by a particular bait that is getting tons and tons of publicity. Instead of learning HOW to use a particular bait or WHY a fish eats a particular bait or WHY a fish is located where it is or WHEN you should be on that spot the need to stroke the ego pops up. It's why we see so many of the "what are the best 5 baits" or "what are the best 3 colors" threads over and over. Those are fine to a point but the newbie asking only those things is missing out on major pieces to the puzzle.
We all know bodies of water where the pressure "blew up" because of a magazine article or two primarily because a known guide is milking the resource promoting his business in print or on TV. Ok, whatever..a guy's gotta eat. There are ways to counteract that and it consists of adapting to the pressure...which many times means go somewhere else that has the same characteristics of the body of water that is getting beaten to death. A friend and I did this for years. Paid attention to fishing reports and when 1000 acre Lake A was kicking out fish and had a full parking lot we'd go to 100 acre Lake B a few miles away that was doing the same thing except we were the only ones there. |
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| many times the so called fishing show is a tv ad for the bait product. 12 minutes of film 18 minutes of ads.
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | ulbian - very well said! |
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| Esox --
"I don't mind sharing spots if you're civil about it, but these retards had no regards for us"
Off subject, but as someone who works with people with special needs, lose the r word. I know it's just a common saying and probably wasn't meant to be offensive, but the less that word is used the better.
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | James - Thanks for the reminder - I appologize, it was used out of context, and yes, the "r word" is offensive to many and doesn't fit. They they were donkeyholes!
I have a step-brother who is special needs, and would bend over backwards to offer help & advice to anyone with special needs. He loves fishing....... its one of the simple joys in the daily struggle to live a normal life in our society..
Back to the thread topic: I really think ulbian nailed it........
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| I think any muskie guy who discloses where he is catching fish is just plain dumb. Why would you do that? |
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Location: Minnesota | Why not? If i can help some catch a musky for the first time I'll do it. I don't care. If you think you are the only person who know about a spot there are hundreds of other guys that know that spot to. So i will give out spots tell people what I'm using i hope they get a big one . The more people hooked on the sport the better it will be just my two cents |
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| They're already over-pressured in my opinion. Don't need more muskie fishermen until we get more muskie water. Have to agree to disagree on this one. |
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Location: Minnesota | I agree it's tuff out there some days. But the more voices we have saying to stock more lakes the better it is. |
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| If it's some giant, well known body of water, like Lake Erie or the Bighorn River, I guess it's not a big deal. Other than that, I'm with Robert Traver - I don't like kiss and tell fishermen. I see an awful lot of magazine articles that are well written enough to get published, except that they give away spots. And then there's the people who out their own spots on the world wide web for free. I don't get it. |
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| yoopertrout - 4/9/2014 6:14 PM
If it's some giant, well known body of water, like Lake Erie or the Bighorn River, I guess it's not a big deal. Other than that, I'm with Robert Traver - I don't like kiss and tell fishermen. I see an awful lot of magazine articles that are well written enough to get published, except that they give away spots. And then there's the people who out their own spots on the world wide web for free. I don't get it. Loved Robert Traver! Read his books when I was in high school/college when I was a fly-fishing nut. I remember the story about "fish-and-tell fishermen". Funny! Secrets are good. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Smell_Esox - 4/9/2014 3:41 PM
They're already over-pressured in my opinion. Don't need more muskie fishermen until we get more muskie water. Have to agree to disagree on this one.
How about you volunteer to quit to take some of the pressure off?
Kidding, of course.
How long you been at this, and why do you feel any of us should have any sort of exclusive access? Serious question, I am curious. |
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| There are lakes I won't mention to anyone. It's not because I am afraid the great unwashed public will descend on them like a plague and fish them to oblivion. It's because I have enough respect for the privacy of those lakes and the person who showed them to me not to go around telling people about them. There are lakes out there that are what they are because they are far enough off the beaten path that very few folks fish them. I don't feel entitled to them. In fact I'd probably call the people who showed them to me and ask if they care if I fished them before I went there on my own...
Besides that? I had a lake once that nobody knew about. Fished it regularly, and the owners of the property just smiled and nodded at me after watching me carefully release all my fish. Made the mistake of taking a "friend" there one day. I specifically TOLD him "You don't say ANYTHING about this place to ANYONE. EVER." Next time I went to fish there the owner threatened to shoot me and started going on about my friends and fireworks and guns and garbage and beer cans all over...
Turns out said "friend" took a few carloads of guys out there and had one hell of a party that ended with lawn chairs in the lake, guns, fireworks, drunken stupidity, garbage and beer cans all over, and a giant fish fry.
Learned my lesson.
As a side note, if I ever see that old "friend" again, there's going to be violence. |
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| sworrall - 4/16/2014 4:08 PM
Smell_Esox - 4/9/2014 3:41 PM
They're already over-pressured in my opinion. Don't need more muskie fishermen until we get more muskie water. Have to agree to disagree on this one.
How about you volunteer to quit to take some of the pressure off?
Kidding, of course.
How long you been at this, and why do you feel any of us should have any sort of exclusive access? Serious question, I am curious. |
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | Those shows aren't really very realistic. They show so much catching and so little fishing. Its like they can catch multiple fish in a half hour on a regular basis. But then if they were realistic, about half the time we would watch them for eight straight hours and then see them go home skunked. That might be just a touch boring? You think?
What confuses me is when they catch a fish with one lure and then a totally different lure, (the one that they are advertising), suddenly shows up in the fish's mouth when its in the net. The new lure is always just hanging on the fish's jaw and never seems to be embedded. It just miraculously appears out of nowhere. I find that simply amazing! Maybe a little magic?  |
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| I will share my spots (musky, walleye, perch or anything else) with people I trust. With that said, I feel people out quite a bit about fishing habits before I take them fishing anywhere that I may consider special. I keep no musky, some wally and some panfish, mainly what I can eat myself as the ladies in the house do not eat fish. I want my fisheries to be sustainable for years.
I think that there is a big difference between a TV show saying we are fishing LOTW or some gigantic lake in Ontario versus giving away a small lake and particular points on lakes. I know that some spots can be figured out just by the video you see (in fact Keyes did a show on a 200 acre lake near me and I am trying to memorize the video to determine the lake he was on should I happen to fish it).
Personally, I would rather be out fishing and not watching TV shows but with the winter we have had I am going stir crazy and youtube musky videos have kept me sane. Lots of people use the internet to "troll" for fishing spots, I just hope that no one else gets turned on to Little Duffy Lake. |
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Location: The desert | BDizzle - 4/17/2014 5:44 PM
I feel people out quite a bit
Taking boat partner to the next level, eh? |
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